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repoman3809 Harmonic balancer on 454 has... 08-23-2012, 09:46 PM
repoman3809 Here's a pic I made of the... 08-23-2012, 09:55 PM
pat mccarthy first you need to find tdc... 08-24-2012, 01:27 PM
techinspector1 Use this tutorial to find TDC... 08-24-2012, 02:14 PM
rspears Once you have TDC nailed down... 08-24-2012, 02:48 PM
pat mccarthy you need to watch this as the... 08-24-2012, 03:01 PM
rspears Help me understand, Pat. The... 08-24-2012, 03:06 PM
pat mccarthy this was over 20 years ago... 08-24-2012, 03:19 PM
pat mccarthy boat engine do not use vacuum... 08-24-2012, 02:57 PM
techinspector1 Thanks Pat, edited post. 08-24-2012, 06:48 PM
pat mccarthy the long mark is the one you... 08-25-2012, 02:30 AM
repoman3809 Again, I appreciate the help!... 08-26-2012, 08:57 PM
rspears I went back and re-read your... 08-27-2012, 05:55 AM
pat mccarthy put new water fuel separator... 08-27-2012, 07:21 AM
repoman3809 Dealer installed motor and... 08-27-2012, 02:06 PM
jerry clayton maybe its time you check the... 08-27-2012, 06:50 AM
jerry clayton even with one dead hole it... 08-27-2012, 04:10 PM
repoman3809 That's correct Jerry. Engine... 08-27-2012, 06:00 PM
pat mccarthy well i do not know that you... 08-27-2012, 06:18 PM
repoman3809 Can you email me a price....... 08-27-2012, 07:47 PM
pat mccarthy they can come as short block... 08-27-2012, 08:20 PM
pat mccarthy my last year at the boat... 08-27-2012, 06:03 PM
jerry clayton if it wasn't for Ohio, you... 08-28-2012, 07:50 AM
repoman3809 LOL....aint that the truth! 08-28-2012, 12:28 PM
pat mccarthy i do not get it ? did they... 08-29-2012, 02:26 PM
repoman3809 Well, it was more about... 08-29-2012, 03:22 PM
pat mccarthy you going to pull it? hey... 08-29-2012, 03:36 PM
repoman3809 I had a little spare time... 08-30-2012, 05:52 PM
pat mccarthy yep you may have bent valves... 08-30-2012, 06:16 PM
repoman3809 Yeah my thought too. I'm... 08-30-2012, 08:14 PM
repoman3809 Crazy I happened to test the... 08-30-2012, 08:23 PM
repoman3809 Update....with pic. I... 09-06-2012, 05:08 PM
cffisher You know the picture is 180... 09-06-2012, 05:55 PM
repoman3809 Not at TDC on #1....right?... 09-06-2012, 06:22 PM
34_40 Charlie is correct. Cam dot... 09-06-2012, 06:43 PM
repoman3809 Again, I sure hope so. I... 09-06-2012, 07:11 PM
pat mccarthy yep 180 out but still need to... 09-06-2012, 07:14 PM
repoman3809 My heads spinning right now.... 09-06-2012, 07:56 PM
pat mccarthy it not 180 off on cam timming... 09-06-2012, 08:19 PM
repoman3809 Here's that shop manual pic I... 09-06-2012, 07:15 PM
techinspector1 Cam sprocket at 6 and crank... 09-06-2012, 07:17 PM
repoman3809 So it's in time. The pic with... 09-06-2012, 07:19 PM
pat mccarthy turn it 180 marks will line... 09-06-2012, 07:37 PM
pat mccarthy well let me know if you need... 09-06-2012, 10:21 PM
rspears Everything clear now,... 09-07-2012, 07:04 AM
repoman3809 I don't know anymore. Go back... 09-07-2012, 10:21 AM
34_40 IF, you want #1 cylinder to... 09-07-2012, 11:29 AM
techinspector1 Come on fellows, this is not... 09-07-2012, 12:20 PM
34_40 If it wasn't a science the... 09-07-2012, 12:24 PM
repoman3809 I was under the impression 12... 09-07-2012, 12:43 PM
pat mccarthy your making this way to hard... 09-08-2012, 04:32 AM
repoman3809 I really didnt intend on... 09-08-2012, 10:05 AM
pat mccarthy 12 and 12 is nothing to care... 09-08-2012, 10:59 AM
rspears Repoman, seems to me you have... 09-08-2012, 06:22 AM
repoman3809 Thank you! That's pretty much... 09-08-2012, 09:30 AM
repoman3809 It's nice and sunny now, and... 09-08-2012, 11:22 AM
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pat mccarthy well they can get marked up... 09-08-2012, 06:31 PM
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    Harmonic balancer on 454 has 4 timing marks.....

     



    First I guess I should mention my motor knowledge is 5 of 10....at best.

    Recently I was forced to replaced a blown 454 in my boat. Due to limited funds I bought a complete, but used marine 454 off a local reputable marine dealer.

    The motor that came out was a carburated 1993 stock 454(think Mark IV). Regardless the dealer matched with similar carburated 454.

    The new motor is more extreme though: Mid level cam. High rise intake manifold. Merlin heads and a built bottom end. I also upgraded the 650 Holley, with a rebuilt 850 marine Holley.

    The new motor starts and runs, but it's a chore.

    In order to start. I have to mat the throttle(or pump 20 times). Once running the motor does rev. Of course the boat is out of the water and free of load. I can get to rough idle around 1200rpm(after warming up).

    I've adjusted carb every which way. Not much difference. I've checked fuel pressure, sits about 5-1/2 psi. Vacuum at base plate of carb is low(fairly steady 10 inches at 1200 idle).

    So to my big problem. Cant really check the timing. The harmonic balancer has 4 marks. Not sure which one is TDC. That's where I could use some help(of course any other suggestions would be great).

    As for the four timing marks. One long line(the one the installer set to TDC). An then 3 shorter lines about 5 degrees apart(middle line is longer than two outside lines). These three lines sit maybe thirty degrees before the long line. Making them above TDC, since the long line is TDC.

    I verified the long line to be TDC by lining up with the timing tab and pulling the dist. The button was on #1 with the long line on TDC. I also made sure the motor wasnt 180 out by using the finger test.

    I assume the installer should have set TDC to the middle of the three marks. I just don't wanna chance changing without some knowledge. I searched all over the internet and couldnt find anything in regards to more than one timing mark.

    Thanks for ANY advice! Chris
    Last edited by repoman3809; 08-23-2012 at 09:49 PM.

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