Cubic Inches = Ahead In The Game

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Originally posted by NTFDAY
You're too young, so I'll enlighten you. In 1964 Corvette advertised a 375 hp 327. Can you build a 350 hp 283 for $1000 or under. I believe it can and WAS done. BTW, my oldest daughter is your age and if I really wanted to call you names I'm sure I could have done a better job.

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I noticed you said Was done.That was then this is now.A hot tank, mag the block,Bore and hone,line bore if needed,recon the rods,install new rod bolts,pin fit the pistons,now we move to the heads, hot tank and mag,install a couple of valve seats,install new guides,new springs,locks,retainers and intake valves,and exhaust valves and add a performance valve job.This is a normal R&R in my book.Do you really think you can get this done for less than $ 1,000 ??

thats your way. my to me 375 motor doesnt need to be magnafluxed as you arent going to have to bore it over very much. and use regular heads with cheapo valves to get 375 hp. 375 hp is not a PERFORMANCE balls to the walls build!!!! it hink youve been doing stuff the expensive way for way to long and forget that cheap motor builds do in fact STILL EXIST.

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Originally posted by gassersrule_196
thats your way. my to me 375 motor doesnt need to be magnafluxed as you arent going to have to bore it over very much. and use regular heads with cheapo valves to get 375 hp. 375 hp is not a PERFORMANCE balls to the walls build!!!! it hink youve been doing stuff the expensive way for way to long and forget that cheap motor builds do in fact STILL EXIST.

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You are correct.I won't build junk.Any engine should be magged no matter what.This is just the smart thing to do.No I don't and I won't build 'CLAIMER' type engines.The head work I described is part of any re-build not just a performance build.

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Originally posted by erik erikson
I noticed you said Was done.That was then this is now.A hot tank, mag the block,Bore and hone,line bore if needed,recon the rods,install new rod bolts,pin fit the pistons,now we move to the heads, hot tank and mag,install a couple of valve seats,install new guides,new springs,locks,retainers and intake valves,and exhaust valves and add a performance valve job.This is a normal R&R in my book.Do you really think you can get this done for less than $ 1,000 ??

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Everything you say may or may not be necessary which would obviously affect the cost and whether you have the shop assemble or you do it yourself. I rebuilt the 318 in my Duster a couple of years ago and it set me back about $1200, but part of that was a new intake and carb and that was also counting the timing chain, cam and all of the gaskets.

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Originally posted by NTFDAY
Everything you say may or may not be necessary which would obviously affect the cost and whether you have the shop assemble or you do it yourself. I rebuilt the 318 in my Duster a couple of years ago and it set me back about $1200, but part of that was a new intake and carb and that was also counting the timing chain, cam and all of the gaskets.

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That was the point I was trying to make.Don't ever count on getting out the door for less than a $1,000.

yes not to mag something is a good way to eat a job and as far as a cheap job all new machine work wash block and parts bore hone deck re con rods hang the rods cam bearings plug s 3 angle valve job new guids cut heads and master engine kit and to long block off the top of my head $1700 were you want to cut the corners is up to you but this would be the best way to go

well i guess if we're talking about going into the shed and digging out all of our old used parts and throwing a motor together it could be a maypop for around $1000.00. It most likely won't make no where near the 500 h.p mark are last to go around the block.

This was not what this post was about. it was directed at the average engine builder to start by sourcing quality parts and building a cheaper engine from scratch to make reliable, streetable, long lasting small block chevy.

If you could build a 283 to make 500 h.p and hold together you really did not need to read this post, IT WAS NOT FOR YOU!!! do the search of the forum and you will see that i built a high h.p. 283 it had nothing for torque but it would run after 4000rpm. I replaced it as quick as i could with a 383.

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Originally posted by pat mccarthy
yes not to mag something is a good way to eat a job and as far as a cheap job all new machine work wash block and parts bore hone deck re con rods hang the rods cam bearings plug s 3 angle valve job new guids cut heads and master engine kit and to long block off the top of my head $1700 were you want to cut the corners is up to you but this would be the best way to go

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I had to eat one 10 yrs. ago and I felt like an idiot.The customer said the block is good I just pulled out of a running car.Guess what.It was cracked in the lifter valley.And life goes on.

my dad call them handgrenades i remember he would put them together all the time.he would get parts from guys that lost a engine get was left of some engines get all it wash it and make some thing out of it

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Originally posted by pat mccarthy
my dad call them handgrenades i remember he would put them together all the time.he would get parts from guys that lost a engine get was left of some engines get all it wash it and make some thing out of it

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sounds like your dad was a smart man. :cool:

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Originally posted by erik erikson
I had to eat one 10 yrs. ago and I felt like an idiot.The customer said the block is good I just pulled out of a running car.Guess what.It was cracked in the lifter valley.And life goes on.

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all i can say is 455 buick:CRY: :CRY: :CRY:

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Originally posted by lt1s10
sounds like your dad was a smart man. :cool:

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yes he was i have been know for it to i would buy all my bigblock from the scrap yard and go from there but can not buy any thing from them any more new rules steel cranks 454 427 blocks a ford N case ford toploader on more that really sucks:mad:

I believe you covered all of the bases, Denny. :)

IMO, anybody can take 200,000.00 worth of equipment and build a motor, when you get good, you can do it with nothing.

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Originally posted by DennyW

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yes you missed one. take a used motor clean and paint it and sell it for a rebuild. :eek: :rolleyes: :HMMM:

i bulid engines i do not have 200.000 i have very old stuff but it works and if i can i will make it and denny you let one out handgrenade like i said i use to buy my big block from the scrape yards why pay for stuff you do not need

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Originally posted by lt1s10
yes you missed one. take a used motor clean and paint it and sell it for a rebuild. :eek: :rolleyes: :HMMM:

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that not funny i know someone that did that he call them fresh :confused:

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Originally posted by pat mccarthy
that not funny i know somone that did that he call them fresh :confused:

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you dont believe id do that do you? they are fresh, freshly painted. :cool:

denny one more that would be rattle can rebuild :HMMM:

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Originally posted by pat mccarthy
denny one more that would be rattle can rebuild :HMMM:

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:LOL: :LOL: Wonder if it makes 500hp and will last on the street:LOL: :LOL:

scuse me for using old blocks and not crate motors:LOL:

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Originally posted by gassersrule_196
dyno proven from car craft and hot rod in 69 the dz302 had 350-360 horse. one of the most under-rated motors of the decade. they also rated boss 302 at 290 horse and DAVE should know they had more then that!! RIGHT DAVE!......
btw i can get 350 horse from a 283 for under a grand. dont belive me ? wanna see a video? i will mail you vhs :LOL:

:LOL:

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Just give me a parts list and I'll be happy.:rolleyes:

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Originally posted by DennyW
As with any Hot Engine Rebuild, no Guarantee. Once you leave, it's yours. :LOL: **) **)

Make sure it has plenty of 80-90, and a couple cans STP. Don't add 3, it will turn to grease when it cools off. :LOL: **) **)

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:HMMM: how do you keep the oil fitter on or the gear on the distributor. HEY why is my oil pump drive looks like a lickerish stick:confused::LOL: :CRY:

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Originally posted by gassersrule_196
scuse me for using old blocks and not crate motors:LOL:

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Scooter, I don't think you can buy a 283 crate motor and besides that'd take all the fun out of it. :LOL: :LOL:

I must say, some of the men I used to respect and some kids have slaughtered this thread. The whole point was to show how a bigger cubic inch SMALL BLOCK CHEVY would be a better build for a pump gas street engine. You could build it milder, turn it less, have more bottom end torque to run a higher gear, and it would last longer. No one said you couldn't build a 283, just that more cubes is money better spent. I don't care who you are, you will have a hard time and spend more money to build a 283 to hang with a 383 in a 3000lb car on the street running pump gas. Don't tell me you can do it, post the combo.

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Originally posted by camaro_fever68
I must say, some of the men I used to respect and some kids have slaughtered this thread. The whole point was to show how a bigger cubic inch SMALL BLOCK CHEVY would be a better build for a pump gas street engine. You could build it milder, turn it less, have more bottom end torque to run a higher gear, and it would last longer. No one said you couldn't build a 283, just that more cubes is money better spent. I don't care who you are, you will have a hard time and spend more money to build a 283 to hang with a 383 in a 3000lb car on the street running pump gas. Don't tell me you can do it, post the combo.

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I pretty much agree with what you are saying, but unfortunately you hit a raw nerve with some and the emotions got somewhat carried away. That's not what this forum is about.

combo what combo? figure out like i did and im only 19!:LOL:

well guys are going to build what they want . there is no way you can make them change. you can try to make them think. then if you cant do that then try to them laugh? right denny:LOL:

ahh heres a tissue to cry into in cause your 350 just got spanked by a lil oll 302:LOL: :LOL: this message is not directed at anyone person

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Originally posted by DennyW
:LOL: Be careful on posting that winning combo gassersrule !! He has lost respect, so theres no point in proving anything. Keep that combo a secret. :LOL: :LOL: **)

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:) I still like you Denny:LOL:

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Originally posted by DennyW
You got that right. Guy cuts you down, and then wants proof, and how to do it to boot. You got to be breathing fumes maro. :LOL: :LOL:

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Lighten up, I'm not the one trying to build a 283 to hang with a 383 for a $1000.00. :whacked:

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Originally posted by gassersrule_196
combo what combo? figure out like i did and im only 19!:LOL:

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I got plenty combos, but I don't try to make one up to make 350 hp on a street engine for under a grand:LOL: :LOL: Now that's funny:LOL:

:3dSMILE: ARE WE HAVING FUN YET?:LOL: :LOL:

no no i said you can build a 283 with 375 horse for under a grand. i never said my motor was built for under a grand. you must how to read, you read stupid magazines that have brainwashed into only building 350+ cube motors. go back and re-read my posts.:LOL: i said i have built them i didnt say MY motor was like that. are we done playing kiddy games now? because i am keep spouting and ill glance at it and laugh and look at my motor and laugh some more are the way i have defied the laws of physics,, wow that was so hard to build!:LOL:

Yeah Ray, I know what you were trying to say. You were just saying the same thing I've been thinkin' all along. I have no idea why some of these guys have to take the contrarian point of view that they do. It's just common sense. Start with a big dog to pull your sled. He won't have to work nearly as hard gettin' the job done and he'll last longer than a smaller dog.

This ain't rocket science fellows.

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Originally posted by gassersrule_196
no no i said you can build a 283 with 375 horse for under a grand. i never said my motor was built for under a grand. you must how to read, you read stupid magazines that have brainwashed into only building 350+ cube motors. go back and re-read my posts.:LOL: i said i have built them i didnt say MY motor was like that. are we done playing kiddy games now? because i am keep spouting and ill glance at it and laugh and look at my motor and laugh some more are the way i have defied the laws of physics,, wow that was so hard to build!:LOL:

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I didn't say your motor was built like that either,:confused: I said it's funny you can build a 283 to make 350 hp for 1000.00:LOL: :whacked: :LOL:

why is it funny? its completely possible!want my machine shop to call you with UN-discounted rates? ive got a bone stock 283 4 bbl motor on my floor. i betcha 10 bucks for under a grand i can get 350 horse!

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Originally posted by gassersrule_196
why is it funny? its completely possible!want my machine shop to call you with UN-discounted rates? ive got a bone stock 283 4 bbl motor on my floor. i betcha 10 bucks for under a grand i can get 350 horse!

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I got a 283 too. If I use heads, pistons, valve train, and misc. parts I already have, I could too. But it would be all used parts that are already paid for. Add them up and they are way over a grand.

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Originally posted by camaro_fever68
I got a 283 too. If I use heads, pistons, valve train, and misc. parts I already have, I could too. But it would be all used parts that are already paid for. Add them up and they are way over a grand.

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who said you have to buy new. see under a grand!!!!:LOL: like i said engine rebuild kits= cheap way

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Originally posted by techinspector1
Yeah Ray, I know what you were trying to say. You were just saying the same thing I've been thinkin' all along. I have no idea why some of these guys have to take the contrarian point of view that they do. It's just common sense. Start with a big dog to pull your sled. He won't have to work nearly as hard gettin' the job done and he'll last longer than a smaller dog.

This ain't rocket science fellows.

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Nuff said. I'm putting my guns back in my holster. The national guard just rescued me. Thanks Tech, Pat, Erik, Stu, and others for seeing my point. This could have been a good thread for a everyday Joe to learn something when he decided to build a everyday engine for his truck.