Tires

What tread width tires just start to hook up?I.E. a 6 inch tread width street tires just gunna smoke forever and not hook up.At what point do u start to exsperiance wheel hop and start to break things.I want to use a tire width thats gunna get me movin on the street ,but still want to "peel out" and not snap bend and twist things ,some track runs too.........Heres the story 400-500 hp and the stock drive line but still have the skinny stock tires .What tread width is the snapin ,twistin blowin gunna start?I want to stay below that level and not put all the horses to the ground,..........right now!!!!!!:)

I gotta go with Tech on this one, if you spend the money on the right driveline and suspension peices the car will work better with less horsepower simply because it can hook up and not gernade the drive train. If you want to just do smokey burnouts, stay with the narrow tire, or get a wider tire that is a real hard compound. If you are going to double your horsepower output from stock, you have to have a drivetrain and suspension to make it work or you just blew a bunch of money on horsepower that you can't use.

Denny on here told me when building my car that I should start from the engine and work my way back. Are you guy's saying I should do the opposite? He said get my motor, build it and then get a good tranny to match the HP of the motor, then the driveline and rear end to match that. What are your guys' oppinion on this? I am not going against what Denny is saying at all either because he is one smart guy and has helped me tons but I just wan't more oppinions on this. Sorry to add another question in here though but I was following it because I thought it was interesting and you guy's brought up some points...
Thanks.

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Originally posted by FMXhellraiser
Denny on here told me when building my car that I should start from the engine and work my way back. Are you guy's saying I should do the opposite? He said get my motor, build it and then get a good tranny to match the HP of the motor, then the driveline and rear end to match that. What are your guys' oppinion on this? I am not going against what Denny is saying at all either because he is one smart guy and has helped me tons but I just wan't more oppinions on this. Sorry to add another question in here though but I was following it because I thought it was interesting and you guy's brought up some points...
Thanks.

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if you are planning on building a fast st. car. i would build the motor i wanted first and then build what ever i had to make it hook up. you cant build the motor with to muck HP do you are not gonna hook it up so you have to use some common sense there. this guy dont wont to hook it up he just wonts to spend his wheels.:confused:

I think the point is a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. If your adding extra power everything else has to be beefed up accordingly or it won't hold together.

If your going to build one thing at a time, and drive it between upgrades, start with the back end and work forward. When I was a kid I DIDN'T do it that way however. If you don't plan to drive it until it's done ...... it doesn't make any difference what end you start on, as long as ALL the parts are up to the task of transferring the power from the engine to the rear tires.

I think we were typin' @ the same time Mike ................ BTW: I think I've been spinnin me wheels most of my life. HEHEHE:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

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Originally posted by pro70z28
I think the point is a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. If your adding extra power everything else has to be beefed up accordingly or it won't hold together.

If your going to build one thing at a time, and drive it between upgrades, start with the back end and work forward. When I was a kid I DIDN'T do it that way however. If you don't plan to drive it until it's done ...... it doesn't make any difference what end you start on, as long as ALL the parts are up to the task of transferring the power from the engine to the rear tires.

I think we were typin' @ the same time Mike ................ BTW: I think I've been spinnin me wheels most of my life. HEHEHE:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

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Originally posted by FMXhellraiser
Denny on here told me when building my car that I should start from the engine and work my way back. Are you guy's saying I should do the opposite? He said get my motor, build it and then get a good tranny to match the HP of the motor, then the driveline and rear end to match that. What are your guys' oppinion on this? I am not going against what Denny is saying at all either because he is one smart guy and has helped me tons but I just wan't more oppinions on this. Sorry to add another question in here though but I was following it because I thought it was interesting and you guy's brought up some points...
Thanks.

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In most cases you can work your way back but, when you want somthing fairly high in hp like 450-500, you could build the motor, you may put it in, drive it around then get on it once and the tranny gernades, because it cannot handle the power, same with the rear end. So if you started at the rear and worked up, all your parts would be able to handle the power you actully get to.

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Originally posted by techinspector1
The point I was trying to make is that when my son was in high school and all his buddies were coming around to our garage while we were building his truck, they all had the idea to hop up the motor with a cam too big for the stock compression and leave the rest of the car as it was, stock converter, 2.73 gear and all.

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Ahhh youth. :LOL: :LOL:
I did the same thing your Son's buddies wanted to do when I was in H.S. - I did put a set of 4:10 gears in the 12 bolt .......................but then broke the spider gears :CRY:

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Ahhh youth. :LOL: :LOL:
I did the same thing your Son's buddies wanted to do when I was in H.S. - I did put a set of 4:10 gears in the 12 bolt .......................but then broke the spider gears :CRY:

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because you had so much power or didnt know what you was doing:eek: :confused:

I dunno...............................6,000 RPM hole shots........... Can't think of anything off hand. :)

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I dunno...............................6,000 RPM hole shots........... Can't think of anything off hand. :)

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keep all of the slack out of the drive train will help a lot and have a 9" ford dont heart ether.



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Thnx for all the replys.I have been out of town working.This is a inherited project that came as is and I want to put all 5,000 pieces back into a single unit ,because of room and money.Also the dmv will not register pieces so I can get a title.With all the vehichle laws changing...... and being in C.A. its pretty tuff anyway.MY plan is to assemle it and get a title and be able to drive it also.I thought to accomplish this I would leave the factory size tires for now as a way to minimize shock and breakage to the drive train.With the car in 1 piece and mobil, upgrading the drive train as money allows and then putting the power to the ground ,no racing,just a little fun ,not monster meats.My logic was a small tire only produces so much friction so as long as I dont hook up the drivetrain I will not see any different strain?:confused: Provided I do not act foolish untill I upgrade the driveline:) and then start to work on using tire size to hook up.

I'd suggest you use a mild engine to get the car straightened out. You can get yourself in big trouble and I don't mean with the local authorities. You might find yourself in the weeds with an engine that the car can't handle.
500, even 450 horsepower is capable of making things happen in a big hurry and with skinny tires you may not be able to control any of it.
The skinny tires will get no traction and you'll tire of that very quickly especially when someone with much less engine blows you away because they can get it all to the ground. Wouldn't that be embarrassing?

Like a rice burner? hehe :D

what i'm doing w/ my car is building the engine and keeping the drivetrain stock cept for a manual valve housing and when something breaks cause of 2much hp replace it with the best part available at the time that way you don't have to spend all of your money at once and replace parts that will handle the stress for another year when you don't need to as for me i've got 2 sets of tires one 7inch wide and one 4.5inches wide the 7 inchers are for when i go to shows and race the 4.5 are for driving on the street