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The common definition of a muscle car started out as a mid-size car with a big block engine. Since the earlier cars were full sized and heavier, they don't fit the criteria. The GTO used the mid-size Tempest body.
I've had a number of dual quad 409s, which were "nasty", but almost always lost the weight battle to the smaller cars.
The Polara's were mid sized car, and the Thunderbolt also was a mid sized car with a big engine. The GTO was hardly the first .
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Originally posted by riverhorse59
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I agree with You Dave ! If a 64 GTO gets the credit for starting the Muscle Car Era, What would you call the following?
63 Fords equipped with a 427--11.5 to 1 compression -2 holley 4 bbls. 425 hp @6000rpm.They also had the 405hp-406 ci. 11,4 to 1 compression with 3-2 bbl holleys.
63 Impalas and Biscaynes with 409s -425 hp. with 2 -4bbls
63 Plymouths and Dodges with the Super Stock II -426ci.Wedge engine 425 horsepower .Before that it was the 413ci.
63 Pontaic Catalinas with the 421 HO Tri Power 3-2s -370 horsepower-10.75 to 1 compression.( very conservative ratings)
The First Muscle cars , if thats what you want to call the cars from 64 GTOs on were bad,but its Super Stock big brothers were
Pretty Bad Too!
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It's just like some of the "car magazines" of today. Some of the "journalist" are dipsh*ts with english majors and not real car guys.
Somebody pulled their head out of their *ss and happened to see the GTO and called it the firts muscle car .........without knowing or really caring what had already been built in previous years.
I work with some of those same type of individuals................... not journalist, but self proclamed experts that don't know sh*t about sh*t.