Chevy Nova 350

1968 Chevy 350 Conversion:

Okay it's finally time, juss getting down to some minor details.

I got a 1993 Chevy 350 which is currently being converted to Carburated.

350 Specs:
-1993 Chevy 350 4 bolt main.
-Stock 1.94 intake, 1.50 exhaust heads.
-Stock Pistons, Rods, Crank.
-Stock Cam
-Edelbrock Intake 0-5500 rpm
-Probably a Holley 750cfm
-Headers
-Synthetic Oil

This engine will be attached to a 1968 Powerglide with a shift kit and aluminum pan. Also filled with synthetic.

What should I do about the Torque Convertor? should I use the one off of the 6 cyl, or get a new one?

Also with 3.55 or 3.73 gearing, and 26 inch tall radial street tires what 1/4 mile performance can I expect?

Thanks................

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Originally posted by SuperNova68
1968 Chevy 350 Conversion:

Okay it's finally time, juss getting down to some minor details.

I got a 1993 Chevy 350 which is currently being converted to Carburated.

350 Specs:
-1993 Chevy 350 4 bolt main.
-Stock 1.94 intake, 1.50 exhaust heads.
-Stock Pistons, Rods, Crank.
-Stock Cam
-Edelbrock Intake 0-5500 rpm
-Probably a Holley 750cfm
-Headers
-Synthetic Oil

This engine will be attached to a 1968 Powerglide with a shift kit and aluminum pan. Also filled with synthetic.

What should I do about the Torque Convertor? should I use the one off of the 6 cyl, or get a new one?

Also with 3.55 or 3.73 gearing, and 26 inch tall radial street tires what 1/4 mile performance can I expect?

Thanks................

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16 sec.
use the stock conv. "poor mans stall"
way to much carb.

Here is some data on a Nova 350:

http://www.novaresource.org/history.htm


Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

OK 16 sec 1/4 mile, I think my car could do tht right now with the 6 cyl. How did you come about that time? My ideal goal was 13's on street tires. What do I need to do to run in the 13's with street tires?.................Cheers

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Originally posted by SuperNova68
OK 16 sec 1/4 mile, I think my car could do tht right now with the 6 cyl. How did you come about that time? My ideal goal was 13's on street tires. What do I need to do to run in the 13's with street tires?.................Cheers

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You are gonna have to work on the heads and cam for sure, you need about 350 HP to run in the 13's, and you probably have about 250-275. When they say that headers add about 30 HP, that not true unless you do something to the cam and heads to make them work. you need a complete package with carb., intake heads and cam, that works together.

ps; if thats a stock 6 its good for about 19 sec. :HMMM:

Yah I know the Powerglide will hold me back on neck snapping performance.

My goal right now is to get the 350 in my 1968 Nova.

Soon after it is in, I will put performance heads, and all the goodies to make 400hp.

Skipping the whole transmission step will be a lot easier for me.

Honestly, I just want to get the engine in the car. After it is, and running, then I will decide on a different transmission.

I mean once the engine is in the car, I have so many options, as for performance.

The Heads # 10110810 that are one the car right now. What would be a good cam to use with these heads. With the cam how much power do you think I can make from that and the rest of the things I listed. And how much power will I make juss leaving the stock cam in?

Also, what is involved in changing this cam? Do I have to adjust anything? I've never done one before.

Cheers

PS. I bet you my Nova could do a 16 sec lap with my stock powerglide, 2.73 gears and 26 in Tires. And If I put 3.55 or 3.73 gears in, it would run 15's.

You would be surprised what I've beaten before on the street. I've taken punks in 5.0L Stangs, Turboed Civics, who don't know how to drive.

Just Saying................Cheers

Personally I think with 3.55 or 3.73 gears you should be in the high 14s-low 15s. I am basing this on a friends 70 Nova with 255 hp 350 with 4 speed. Using a 6 cyl or vega torque converter is a cheap way to raise the stall, but don't expect it to last too long, especially driving it on the street much. Been there and done that. Be sure to run the biggest/best trans cooler you can get. I agree you don't need that big a carb, but if it is vacuum secondaries it may be ok, they only open as much as the motor will pull if they are set up right. For a 350 turning 5500 RPM a 600 CFM should be plenty. Why not get the Edelbrock carb that matches the intake? They are designed to work together.

Good luck with your project.

Pat

PS. I bet you my Nova could do a 16 sec lap with my stock powerglide, 2.73 gears and 26 in Tires. And If I put 3.55 or 3.73 gears in, it would run 15's."


And I'll bet that the only way this combination is gonna go 16's is if it was dropped out of an airplane.

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Originally posted by techinspector1
PS. I bet you my Nova could do a 16 sec lap with my stock powerglide, 2.73 gears and 26 in Tires. And If I put 3.55 or 3.73 gears in, it would run 15's."


And I'll bet that the only way this combination is gonna go 16's is if it was dropped out of an airplane.

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might not do it then. :D the stock late model LT1's only run 14 sec. the 1/4 miles i ran on must have been up hill. :HMMM:

13s with a stock 350 w/ bolts ons? no way! i had a stock 60k mile 74 350 in my 80 malibu with basically the same bolt ons except with a 600 carb. TH350 trans with a shift kit and 2500 stall. 2.73 rear. it went a 16.06. then i freshened the motor and added a small .443/.420 cam and went from a perf to a perf rpm intake. same rear and trans, it then went a 9.59 in the 1/8 which would be 15.0s. your 3.73s will help but i dont see better than 15s out of it. oh and lose the powerglide

Maybe this is the place to ask the following question: Which 350 are you talking about? I know we went over the change in the way GM reported H.P. but there must be some other factors like a change in the SBC heads and compression ratios that changed with the gas. I offered this as a project to FMX and maybe he turned in his report by now but here is some data from a 1972 Chiltons manual, all for 4-barrel 350 engine.

Year Adv. HP Adv. TQ Adv. C.R.
1967 295@4800 380@3200 10.25:1
1968 295@4800 380@3200 10.25:1
1969 255@4800 365@3200 9.00:1
300@5000 380@3200 10.25:1
1970 300@4800 380@3200 10.25:1
360@6000 380@4000 11.00:1 (Z28)
1971 270@4800 360@3200 8.50:1
330@5600 360@4000 8.50:1 (Z28)
1972 210@4800 n.a. 8.50:1
275@5600 n.a. 9.00:1 (Z28)
1973 190@4400 270@2800 8.50:1 (Corvette)
250@5200 285@4000 9.00:1 (Corvette)
1974 195@4400 275@2800 8.50:1 (Corvette)
250@5200 285@4000 9.00:1 (Corvette)
1975*6 165@3800 255@2400 8.50:1 (Corvette)
205@4800 255@3600 9.00:1 (Corvette)

It looks like the usual hot rod principles are at work, higher C.R. makes more H.P. and a "hotter" cam as in the Z28 shifts the H.P. to higher rpm, but my oh my the same displacement can give very different results depending on other things. Somewhere in there tetraethylead was banned making high compression difficult and obviously in 1975 and 1976 the cams as well as the heads were changed but it looks like it is easy to detune the 350 as well as soup it up! IT would be interesting to see what differences there are on the dyno curves from 1000-3000 rpm and they might not be much different because the high H.P. comes from higher rpm. Can you experts comment on how the 350 got detuned to a measley 165 H.P. in 1975?

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

Don, In the middle 70s everyones horsepower went to sh*t. In an effort to meet emission standards the motors were smothered, low compression, poor cam timing, small valves and ports, ignition curves reduced and on and on. They were also learning to deal with unleaded gas. The priorities were economy and emissions #1, performance was way down the list. Check the RPM on those 1975 motors, 3800 is ridiculous. the 80s were only marginally better. Finally by the 90s they started designing from scratch instead of trying to band-aid old technology and things have gotten a lot better on all fronts, HP, economy, emissions and drivability.

Pat

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Originally posted by SuperNova68
PS. I bet you my Nova could do a 16 sec lap with my stock powerglide, 2.73 gears and 26 in Tires. And If I put 3.55 or 3.73 gears in, it would run 15's.

You would be surprised what I've beaten before on the street. I've taken punks in 5.0L Stangs, Turboed Civics, who don't know how to drive.

Just Saying................Cheers

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I hope you won't take the folks comments too personal, the only real way to tell is get out to the track and get a time slip. Most of these guys have been around a track some and built and tuned a lot of cars so give there thoughts some credibility, even if they are a little hard on ya. They really don't mean any harm.

Good luck with your project and keep us posted on how it goes.

Pat

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Originally posted by Stu Cool
I hope you won't take the folks comments too personal, the only real way to tell is get out to the track and get a time slip. Most of these guys have been around a track some and built and tuned a lot of cars so give there thoughts some credibility, even if they are a little hard on ya. They really don't mean any harm.

Good luck with your project and keep us posted on how it goes.

Pat

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no i dont mean no harm, just telling it like it is. if he has a stock 1993 computer motor that he put a carb. on then it will be 2 th slower than these times.

Chevrolet

1993 Chevrolet 454 SS 7.2 15.8 (MT Jun '93)
2002 Chevrolet Avalanche Z71 8.3 16.5
2002 Chevrolet Avalanche 2500 (auto) 8.8 16.6 (MT Feb. '02)
1987 Chevrolet Beretta GT 8.3 16.3
1990 Chevrolet Beretta GT 8.6 16.4
1990 Chevrolet Beretta GTZ 7.7 16.1
1991 Chevrolet Beretta GTZ 7.7 16.1
1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS-350 8.0 15.4
1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1 5.3 11.68 (Book:Ultimate Performance Cars '05)
1972 Chevrolet Camaro Budget GT 10.5 17.6
1972 Chevrolet Camaro Luxury GT 9.8 17.2
1972 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 7.5 15.5
1974 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 8.1 15.4
1975 Chevrolet Camaro 350 11.0 17.4
1975 Chevrolet Camaro RS 8.5 16.8
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 9.7 N/A
1983 Chevrolet Camaro 9.5 17.5
1983 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 H.O. 6.7 15.0
1984 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta 9.3 17.0
1985 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta 10.0 17.0
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z28 7.0 15.2
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 6.6 14.9
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z L98 6.8 15.3
1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 7.0 15.5
1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 5.8 14.4
1990 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.5 15.0
1992 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.7 15.2
1993 Chevrolet Camaro V-6 9.0 16.6
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.8 14.4
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Conv. 6.2 14.5
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800 7.4 15.7
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.1
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.3 13.8
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6
1973 Chevrolet Caprice Classic 454ci 8.7 17.0
1976 Chevrolet Caprice Classic 400ci 12.8 17.6
1980 Chevrolet Caprice Classic 18.5 21.4
1980 Chevrolet Caprice Wagon (Gas) 13.9 20.0
1980 Chevrolet Caprice Wagon (Diesel) 19.6 21.7
1992 Chevrolet Caprice Classic LTZ 10.3 17.4
1993 Chevrolet Caprice Classic 8.5 16.6
1983 Chevrolet Cavalier 13.1 19.1
1983 Chevrolet Cavalier CL Type-10 12.3 18.6
1985 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 9.5 16.9
1986 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 8.5 16.7
1993 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 8.3 17.3
1995 Chevrolet Cavalier LS 10.9 18.0
1996 Chevrolet Cavalier LS 8.3 16.1
1998 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 Conv. 8.7 16.8 (C&D Aug 98)
1973 Chevrolet Chevelle Laguana 454ci 9.5 16.7
1974 Chevrolet Chevelle 400ci 11.4 18.0
1975 Chevrolet Chevelle 400ci 11.4 17.7
1976 Chevrolet Chevette Rallye 19.7 20.6
1980 Chevrolet Chevette 15.8 20.3
1980 Chevrolet Citation 10.3 N/A
1981 Chevrolet Citation XII 9.2 17.0
1983 Chevrolet Citation XII 9.9 17.3
1984 Chevrolet Celebrity EuroSport 10.6 17.6
1986 Chevrolet Celebrity CL EuroSport 10.7 17.9
2005 Chevrolet Cobalt SS 6.1 14.6 (C&D Sept '05)
1989 Chevrolet Corsica LTZ 9.3 17.2
1957 Chevrolet Corvette 6.6 14.2
1965 Chevrolet Corvette 6.2 14.9
1967 Chevrolet Corvette L71 5.6 13.8
1968 Chevrolet Corvette 327 7.7 15.6
1968 Chevrolet Corvette 427 6.3 14.1
1970 Chevrolet Corvette 427 6.1 14.3
1975 Chevrolet Corvette 350 9.6 16.4
1976 Chevrolet Corvette 350 8.1 16.5
1977 Chevrolet Corvette 8.8 16.6
1979 Chevrolet Corvette L82 7.3 15.7
1980 Chevrolet Corvette L82 7.4 15.4
1982 Chevrolet Corvette 9.2 16.6
1984 Chevrolet Corvette 6.7 15.1
1985 Chevrolet Corvette 5.7 14.1
1986 Chevrolet Corvette 5.8 14.4
1986 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 6.0 14.5
1988 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 6.0 14.6
1988 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 6.0 14.6
1990 Chevrolet Corvette 5.7 14.3
1990 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.4 12.8
1991 Chevrolet Corvette L98 5.3 13.9
1991 Chevrolet Corvette Roadster 5.6 14.1
1992 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.7 14.1
1992 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 5.6 13.9
1993 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.3 13.9
1993 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 5.2 13.6
1994 Chevrolet Corvette LT1(auto) 5.5 14.1
1994 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.7 13.1
1995 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.2 13.7
1995 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.9 13.1
1996 Chevrolet Corvette Collectors' 4.9 13.3
1996 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport 4.7 13.3
1997 Chevrolet Corvette 4.7 13.3
1998 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 5.1 13.5
1999 Chevrolet Corvette Hardtop 4.8 13.3
2001 Chevrolet Corvette C5-R 3.5 10.3
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 4.6 13.0
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe 4.8 13.1
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 4.1 12.5
2002 Chevrolet Corvette (Lingenfelter 427 twin turbo) 1.97 9.24
2003 Chevrolet Corvette (50th Anniversary) Manual, 4.9 13.4 (R&T Aug. '02)
2006 Chevrolet Corvette ZO6 3.5 11.5 (MT Oct '05)
1994 Chevrolet Impala SS 7.1 15.4
1995 Chevrolet Impala SS 7.0 15.4
1996 Chevrolet Impala SS 7.3 15.6
1973 Chevrolet Laguana 454ci 8.0 15.7
1990 Chevrolet Lumina APV 12.2 18.7
1990 Chevrolet Lumina Euro Sedan 9.9 17.3
1991 Chevrolet Lumina Z34 7.5 15.8
1992 Chevrolet Lumina APV 11.4 18.4
1995 Chevrolet Lumina 9.5 17.0
1995 Chevrolet Lumina LS 9.5 17.0
1998 Chevrolet Lumina LTZ 7.6 15.8
1975 Chevrolet Monte Carlo 400ci 10.2 17.5
1980 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Turbo 11.9 18.9
1981 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Turbo 11.9 19.0
1983 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS 8.2 16.1
1985 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS 7.8 15.9
1995 Chevrolet Monte Carlo 7.8 16.0
1995 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z34 7.8 15.5
1998 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z34 7.5 15.7
2000 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS 7.9 16.1
2002 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS (auto) 8.6 16.6 (C&D Nov. '02)
1975 Chevrolet Monza 2+2 262ci (V8) 12.6 19.0
2004 Chevrolet Malibu 7.8 15.9 (est)
1973 Chevrolet Nova 350ci 9.7 17.4
1974 Chevrolet Nova 350ci 10.0 16.8
1975 Chevrolet Nova 350ci 10.8 17.3
1985 Chevrolet Nova CL 12.4 18.7
1986 Chevrolet Nova CL 13.0 18.8
1988 Chevrolet Nova Twin Cam 8.9 16.7
1985 Chevrolet Spectrum 14.0 19.4
1984 Chevrolet Sprint 14.5 20.3
1985 Chevrolet Sprint 13.0 18.9
1987 Chevrolet Sprint 13.4 19.1
1988 Chevrolet Sprint 4-door 14.6 19.2
1971 Chevrolet Vega 2300 16.5 20.3
1972 Chevrolet Vega Wagon 16.1 20.7
1974 Chevrolet Vega 18.5 21.0

and the fords

Ford

1971 Ford Capri 2000 11.5 18.5
1995 Ford Contour SE 9.5 17.2
1999 Ford Contour SVT 6.8 15.2 (C&D April 99)
1991 Ford Crown Victoria LX 9.9 17.4
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX 9.5 17.1
2005 Ford Crown Victoria LX 8.1 16.2
1985 Ford EXP Turbo 9.3 16.8
1981 Ford Escort 14.67 19.7
1986 Ford Escort 1.9 11.7 18.1
1987 Ford Escort L 11.4 18.2
1990 Ford Escort GT 8.9 16.8
1991 Ford Escort GT 8.0 16.3
1992 Ford Escort LX-E 9.3 17.0
1993 Ford Escort GT 8.4 16.5
1993 Ford Escort LX Wagon 12.8 19.1
1994 Ford Escort LX Sedan 11.1 17.8
1997 Ford Escort LX Sedan 10.9 18.1
1998 Ford Escort ZX2 7.4 15.7
2002 Ford Expedition XLT 9.5 17.1
2003 Ford Expedition 9.5 17.0
1987 Ford Festiva L 10.2 17.8
2001 Ford Focus ZX3 8.7 16.8
2002 Ford Focus SVT 7.8 16.1
2003 Ford Focus SVT 7.7 15.9
2003 Ford Focus ZTS 8.2 16.1
2004 Ford Focus Saleen N2O 5.8 14.0 (saleen.com)
1999 Ford F-150 Lightning 5.8 14.3
2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 5.2 13.9
2004 Ford F-150 4.6l 9.9 17.4
2005 Ford GT 3.6 11.78
1977 Ford Granada 302ci 14.2 18.6
1973 Ford LTD Brougham 429ci 10.4 17.5
1976 Ford LTD 460ci 11.3 18.2
1980 Ford LTD 302ci 12.5 19.2
1974 Ford Maverick 302ci 10.5 17.4
1964 Ford Mustang (289ci V8 w/4spd) 7.5 15.7
1966 Ford Mustang (289ci V8 Auto) 10.9 17.9
1967 Ford Mustang (390ci V8 w/4spd) 7.4 15.6
1971 Ford Mustang (351ci V8 w/4spd) 5.8 13.8
1973 Ford Mustang 351ci 8.9 16.3
1974 Ford Mustang II 4sp 14.2 18.8
1974 Ford Mustang II Auto 15.6 19.4
1975 Ford Mustang II (302ci V8 w/3spd) 9.6 17.5
1977 Ford Mustang II 302ci 11.3 17.7
1971 Ford Mustang Boss 351 5.8 13.8
2001 Ford Mustang Bullitt GT 5.6 14.1 (MT 01)
1980 Ford Mustang (255ci) 11.8 18.5
1980 Ford Mustang Cobra (225ci) 11.3 18.4
1981 Ford Mustang M81 McLaren (2.3L Turbo) 9.7 17.3
1982 Ford Mustang GT 8.0 N/A
1984 Ford Mustang SVO 7.9 15.8
1985 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 14.9 (C&D, Jan. 85)
1987 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 14.4 (Automobile, April 87)
1988 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 15.0 (MT Jan '88)
1989 Ford Mustang GT 5.0l Manual 6.2 14.8 (MT Jan '89)
1990 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.4 14.9
1991 Ford Mustang GT 7.3 15.6
1992 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.2 14.8
1993 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.9 14.5
1993 Ford Mustang GT (auto) 8.0 16.1
1994 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.4 14.0
1994 Ford Mustang GT 6.7 15.1
1995 Ford Mustang 3.8 9.9 17.3
1995 Ford Mustang Cobra R 5.2 13.8
1996 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.4 14.0
1998 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 14.0
1999 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 13.9
1999 Ford Mustang Convertible V6 8.6 16.5
1999 Ford Mustang GT 5.5 14.1
2001 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.8 13.5
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9
2004 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9
2004 Ford Mustang GT 6.3 14.8
2005 Ford Mustang LX 4.0l 6.9 15.3 (C&D Feb 05)
2005 Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 5.1 13.5 (MT Jan 05)
2005 Ford Mustang GT Convertible 5.2 13.8 (MT Apr 05)
2001 Ford Mustang Roush Stage 3 4.3 12.9
1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 5.7 13.9
2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 (5 Speed) 5.6 13.2 (MT Feb, 2005)
1971 Ford Pinto 1600 18.0 21.1
1972 Ford Pinto Wagon 16.8 20.8
1973 Ford Pinto 13.7 18.7
1974 Ford Pinto 14.5 19.3
1975 Ford Pinto 14.3 19.4
1980 Ford Pinto (4spd) 15.8 20.8
1980 Ford Pinto (Auto) 15.4 20.1
1988 Ford Probe GT 7.3 15.6
1990 Ford Probe GT 7.6 16.0
1990 Ford Probe LX 8.2 16.2
1992 Ford Probe GT 7.9 16.0
1993 Ford Probe GT 7.5 15.8
1994 Ford Probe GT 7.5 15.7
1988 Ford Taurus 3.8 9.3 17.2
1989 Ford Taurus SHO 6.6 15.2
1991 Ford Taurus SHO 7.7 16.2
1992 Ford Taurus LX 9.4 17.0
1992 Ford Taurus SHO 7.5 15.4
1992 Ford Taurus LX Wagon 10.9 17.9
1993 Ford Taurus GL 11.1 18.0
1993 Ford Taurus SHO 7.5 17.0
1994 Ford Taurus GL 10.0 17.5
1994 Ford Taurus LX 9.2 17.0
1995 Ford Taurus SHO 7.7 15.8
1996 Ford Taurus 8.7 16.5
1996 Ford Taurus GL 10.0 17.5
1996 Ford Taurus LX Wagon 8.9 16.7
2000 Ford Taurus SE 8.0 16.1
1984 Ford Tempo GLX 13.6 18.9
1992 Ford Tempo GLS 10.2 17.6
1968 Ford Galaxie 500 10.0 17.5
1973 Ford Grand Torino Squire 400ci 11.1 19.0
1973 Ford Torino 351ci 8.8 16.3
1974 Ford Torino 460ci 8.7 16.4
1975 Ford Torino 400ci 11.9 18.2
1955 Ford Thunderbird 292ci 11.5 18.0
1973 Ford Thunderbird 460ci 9.0 17.4
1980 Ford Thunderbird 302ci 11.1 18.0
1983 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe 9.7 17.1
1987 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe 8.5 16.3
1989 Ford Thunderbird SC (5 Speed) 6.9 14.9
1990 Ford Thunderbird SC (Auto) 7.4 15.8
1991 Ford Thunderbird LX 9.0 16.7
1993 Ford Thunderbird SC 7.2 15.7
1994 Ford Thunderbird LX V6 8.8 16.4
1995 Ford Thunderbird SC 7.0 15.2
1996 Ford Thunderbird LX V8 7.9 15.8
2002 Ford Thunderbird 7.0 15.2
2002 Ford Thunderbolt SLP 4.0l 6.5 14.9
1996 Ford Saleen S351R Speedster 5.2 13.7
2000 Ford Saleen S281 Supercharged 5.1 13.8

Lt1s10, that's an impressive record! Do you have a Saleen now or were you a Pro-driver? Occasionally I see a late model Saleen here in Ashland with a young girl driving it to/from the grocery store!!!!!! (Food Lion) If I had a Saleen I wouldn't have enough money for the grocery store let alone park it in with the other cars in a grocery store parking lot! There are plenty of fast cars that come out at special events in this area, but a Saleen as a grocery-getter had me scratching my head!

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

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Originally posted by Don Shillady
Lt1s10, that's an impressive record! Do you have a Saleen now or were you a Pro-driver? Occasionally I see a late model Saleen here in Ashland with a young girl driving it to/from the grocery store!!!!!! (Food Lion) If I had a Saleen I wouldn't have enough money for the grocery store let alone park it in with the other cars in a grocery store parking lot! There are plenty of fast cars that come out at special events in this area, but a Saleen as a grocery-getter had me scratching my head!

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

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Saleen

2003 Saleen S7 3.3 11.8, dont take long to get the grocerys with that.
the 3.3 is the 0 to 60 time and the 11.8 is the 1/4 mile time.

:LOL:

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Originally posted by Don Shillady
Lt1s10, that's an impressive record! Do you have a Saleen now or were you a Pro-driver? Occasionally I see a late model Saleen here in Ashland with a young girl driving it to/from the grocery store!!!!!! (Food Lion) If I had a Saleen I wouldn't have enough money for the grocery store let alone park it in with the other cars in a grocery store parking lot! There are plenty of fast cars that come out at special events in this area, but a Saleen as a grocery-getter had me scratching my head!

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

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I wish Don. This is a collection of 0-60 and 1/4 mile times (factory stock) that have been accumulated from many different sources over the years. didn't mean to imply anything else. **)

I gotta step in here from my personal experience with 2 chevy nova 6cyls.

The MOST IMPORTANT thing i can say, get a cheap daily driver if the nova is in that position right now. Its a PAIN trying to soup up a daily driver! lol.


1st
1972 Chevy nova sedan (2765lbs) on 215/60/15s in back (super sticky softies)

The car had
250 c.i. inline 6, stock, 3spd manual (on the tree) That thing would FRY tires with 3.65 (i think) gearing, but i never got to really get out and get on it..lol.

The 2nd
1970 chevy nova (also a stripper, 2803lbs)

It had
230 i6, 2spd powerglide, 2.73 (argued to be 2.76 gearing), 195/75/14 tires in back. ALL stock.
The thing was slow as hell. My stock 95 dodge neon could rape it. easy. The stock inline 6 in the lightest ran like high 19s. They toyed around with TURBO 6cyls (a turbo camaro, a twin turbo nova) and they only ran mid-low 16s. 50-70mph went from a stock 12.5seconds to 5.3 seconds though.

Anyways.

I thought the car was quick for its time/engine, and i live in orlando, 60% of the civics/integras here are DOHC V-tecs and turbod/NOS equipped. And trust me, if they have any clue how to drive (even shifiting too early/late, missing shifts.) the 6cyl powerglide nova will get eaten all to hell. for starters 150hp isn't SHIT lol, and the 220 ft/lbs is at like 2200rpm..which is WAY low..My 70 couldn't get off the line without spinning, but it pulled like a dog.

So what did I do?
Swapped a TURBO350..worked well, for 2 days, the 6cyl blew.
In goes a 305 from a 83 caprice. Popped on a 700cfm Rochester qjet from a late 70s caddi bbc, full length headers, did away will the computer and the excess vaccuum. No powersteering, A/C, no heater/defroster, with open pipes i had good high end, NOTHING for low end though. With mufflers on I got a nice boost of low end, and the topend was a little tamer. a week later the TURBO 350 blew up. So in goes the powerglide. Off the line on dry pavement you have to be turning and at about 2000rpm to break the tires loose. On wet, you don't move from the line, just sit smoking the tires heh. BUT. It's still not anywhere NEAR the 14 second range. I've raced a few cars. and i've won most of the races, but I think if I also raced my friends souped up 5.0 stang. he absolutely slaughtered me. So i'm guessing I run low to mid 16s. 150hp, 240ftlbs. Add maybe 5hp for headers.

I'm not tryin to make ya pissed or discouraged, but 13s require alot more work than most people think.

I'm only 21 and pay 3/4 of my monthly pay in bills, childsupport, etc etc..so yeah..going cheap is good, but with my $100 worth of junkyard parts..i'm still only about .2 seconds quicker. You should get a posi rear end, 3.55 is good for a daily driver, decent pull, but not too much that it isn't highway friendly.

P.S. with the powerglide and stock rearend behind the 350 you'll be able to pull from a 60mph roll (probably at about 2000rpm+) like a son of a bitch! lol. So if you really wanna race..(i don't condone street racing..heh) take it on the high way late at night (2am or so) and race some guys from 60..you got a MUCH better chance!)

Check out my cardomain page. (Pages 3-6 are pictures)

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2159505

Email me at DallasHannah3@aol.com, we seem to be in the same boat, so we should share information on parts and whatnot so neither one of us go down a bad path lol.

Dallas

I see the taurus SHO runs a 17 (92 or 93 model i think) but is that the v8 model or the v6 model? I know the V8s are dogs, from what i hear a v6 SHO will completely embarass a v8 SHO.

Dallas

Oh, and SuperNova68, what kinda exhaust is on that 6cyl right now? If you got a loud exhaust it'll seem much faster than if you got a quiet exhaust. I never believed it till i did the v8 swap in my nova and changed added 18" of length onto my exhaust setup..seems like its much slower, but really it's the same speed, just cuz it's quite it seems like it's sluggish. I guess those civics and eclipses must seem REALLY fast to the kids driving them. lofl.

Also, you wanna get rid of the inline 6? I'm in need of one. For my new project. hehe

k i have a 72 pontiac ventura 2 , wich will soon have a 383 stroker in it , make around 450-500hp

what should i be looking at with stock gears in the quater mile/ and what times could i see with 3.73's

383Stroked

A whole hell of a lot quicker than my nova, that's for sure! lol, what gearing is in the car now?

um i think it has 2.73's

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Originally posted by 383stroked
k i have a 72 pontiac ventura 2 , wich will soon have a 383 stroker in it , make around 450-500hp

what should i be looking at with stock gears in the quater mile/ and what times could i see with 3.73's

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if you really have 475 HP and your car with you in it wt. 3400 lbs. then you should run in the low 11's at 125 mph. thats hooking up and having the right gear.