Tranny options

I started pricing some transmission options for the Ranchero..... Seeing as how I haven't had much luck with Toploaders behind a 600+ ft.lbs. torque big block Fords I started checking out some options........

Jericho DL4-the standard 4 speed like the NASCAR and road race guys use. David Kee offers it at $3,469 including caged needle rear bearing, billet yoke, and a Long V-gate shifter

Jericho CL4, like the DL4, only clutchless shifting. Same options as the CL4 the price is $3,845.

Lenco 4 speed with shifter is $4,900, the Lenco 5 speed is $5,900 with shifter.

Before you say it, yes I know I should run a 'glide, but I still like pulling the handle, or in the Lenco's case, the handles. My old Doug Nash 5 speed may not be up to the task, right on the limits of torque handling capability.....Plus the poor thing probably has 700 passes on it over the years. I would sure like some input from some of you guys to bring up some of the things I haven't though of before I make a decision.

T56 six speed, 650 lbs/ft....
http://www.ddperformance.com/GM%20T56.htm

Muncie four speed, 700 lbs/ft....
http://www.m-22.com/

Good idea Tech. A bit concerned about the torque handling capability, virtual engine dyno shows torque at 640!!! Would be real close to the max, not sure how long it would live????? What do you think?????

The T-56 sounds good, but it sounds more like to me that you the need the real Big Block transmission, the venerable M-22 rock crusher used most typically by CHEVY ;)

Best Regards, Kitz

I'm afraid that motor would kill an M-22 real quick, Kitz.

this was as close i ever got to a Lenco DAVE, but i sure loved that shifter. cant buy them anymore either i dont think.

I checked with Liberty, they're trans is a bit higher than the Jericho.

I got to quit looking at them Lenco pictures!!!!! I called the guys at Jericho today. They recomended the CL4 and V-Gate shifter with a McCleod Soft Lok Clutch and aluminum flywheel!!!!! Clutch is similar to a Pro Stock, has adjustable springs and counterweights........

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Originally posted by DennyW
Dang Mike, looks like you had a lot more fun than me. :LOL: :LOL:

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A lot of work. Put all that alum. in that wagon with nothing but hammers, pliers, tin snips and a rivet gun. I had a 14" brake I used for some little stuff.the chassis was a pinto clip, 2x3 and roll bar. i did have a pipe bending machine. :HMMM: :CRY:

i can get you that same tranny as m-22.com for $1695 out the door here at a local shop!!!!!!

It does make for a good trans, Denny. No doubt about it. But with big slicks and steep gears a top loader just won't live long at 600 plus ft. lbs. torque. And usually when a part breaks, it's in the final round when the $$$$ is on the line.

The Top loaders and Muncies are fine on the street, they just won't last round after round of drag racing with the big torque numbers.

Dave, sorry to get involved in your thread, but are there options that will handle it for less than the prices noted above? Are these just the top o' the line trannies or is this about as cheap as you can get for track/street?

No, there's a lot of cheaper alternatives. I will (hopefully) be putting out about 625 ft. lbs of torque, anything less then the best in a tranny is just going to disintegrate.

Next motor, after a season with the engine I'm putting together now, will be a 514 with a BDS 10 71 Blower. These trannies are all rated for torque in excess of 1,000 ft. lbs. A big inch motor with a blower can exceed 900 ft lbs. torque. No use buying a less expensive trans now, then next year buy the good one....... Well, at least it makes sense to me !!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by gassersrule_196
i can get you that same tranny as m-22.com for $1695 out the door here at a local shop!!!!!!

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which door, "back"??? :HMMM: :LOL:

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Originally posted by Dave Severson
No, there's a lot of cheaper alternatives. I will (hopefully) be putting out about 625 ft. lbs of torque, anything less then the best in a tranny is just going to disintegrate.

Next motor, after a season with the engine I'm putting together now, will be a 514 with a BDS 10 71 Blower. These trannies are all rated for torque in excess of 1,000 ft. lbs. A big inch motor with a blower can exceed 900 ft lbs. torque. No use buying a less expensive trans now, then next year buy the good one....... Well, at least it makes sense to me !!!!!!!!

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ya'll boys talking to much money for me.:HMMM: who's working for who? scooter for dave or dave for scooter. :LOL: 3849.00 now thats a lot of trans. :CRY:

the front door with money. this guy here builds the same ones but doesnt want your 1st born child as a down payment!:LOL: he knows about m-22.coma nd thinks hes insane for selling them that high............:LOL: if ya want i can get you the mans phone #

want to buy a t-10 for 675?:3dSMILE: obo cash talks:LOL: :3dSMILE:

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Originally posted by gassersrule_196
the front door with money. this guy here builds the same ones but doesnt want your 1st born child as a down payment!:LOL: he knows about m-22.coma nd thinks hes insane for selling them that high............:LOL: if ya want i can get you the mans phone #

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will they let you race a 7 sec. car with a o2 bottle hooked to you noise? if they will the answer is yes. i guess i could tie it to the roll bar. :LOL:

I don't think an M-22 would handle the torque for very long, scooter.

Hey Mike, we have a small little IHRA track here, they'd let ya run!!!!

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Originally posted by Dave Severson
I don't think an M-22 would handle the torque for very long, scooter.

Hey Mike, we have a small little IHRA track here, they'd let ya run!!!!

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I wouldn't try it now dave, I might suck the o2 bottle up my noise.:eek: :CRY:

Awww, come on Mike!!!! If and when I ever get the Ranchero done, you can come make a pass or two in it!!!! Heck, I'd even make you a billet O2 bottle holder!!!!

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Originally posted by Dave Severson
Awww, come on Mike!!!! If and when I ever get the Ranchero done, you can come make a pass or two in it!!!! Heck, I'd even make you a billet O2 bottle holder!!!!

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in that case I might try it, might need to put that PG in there though. :cool:

PG as in Power Glide???? No way, Mike!!! But hey, would it become a "handicapped accessible" drag car if I put an air shifter on it????? My pal and fellow Ford Racer Roger was picking on me yesterday that maybe I was getting too old for a 5 speed!!!! Told him when I was too crippled to pull that handle he could just as well take me out back and shoot me!!! Would be a sure sign that life as I know it is over!!!!!!

you may as well join the dead with me. :CRY:

Not just yet, Mike. I gotta make a few passes in the Ranchero, then there's that trip to Bonneville for a run or two down the salt. Then we can just park our rocking chairs on the front porch and have a "been there, done that" discussion!!!!

I wish it wasn't true ,but I got short changed somewhere along the line, about 10 yrs to early. :( I'd make a lot better race car driver now(if i could) because I'm sure as hell ant worred about dying. I'm already dead. :eek:

Trust me, Mike. Checkers or wreckers is not the best approach to circle burning!!!! I'd probably be in a lot better shape today if I wouldn't have thought second place was just the first loser!!!!!!!!

Heck, if I had it all to do over again........I'd probably do it the same way!!!!!!

yor can do it a few dif. ways. I won a point championship one yr. and nobody knew who i was. finished every race in the top 5. I was known as mr. boring :( :cool:

Dave, just like you I like to row my own. My supercharged Gen III is going to have 600 to 625 Ft/torque and I'm going with the T-56 for a couple reasons. First, with the torque listing at D&D, this is the torque rating as used in the Viper. The aftermarket support for these transmissions are excellent. And with things like carbonfiber blocker rings, etc., I have no doubt the trans will live.

Second, with a double overdrive, the fuel economy will be greatly improved. I plan on driving mine on a semi-regular basis on long trips (Hot Rod Power Tour, a Route 66 trip, etc.). Any savings on gas I can get is a great bonus.

I looked at them, Tom. Even contacted one or two of the companies that make them. My big concern is that the Ranchero is going to be primarily a drag car with slicks. Though there torque ratings are at what the motor will be producing, it leaves little room. I'm concerned that the max effort passes and hi RPM launches with slicks would kill it. On the street, I think it will be the ideal transmission. The big overdrive will make for some pleasant and trouble free cruising. And, I keeping looking at the BDS site and their 10 71 blower setup for the big block Ford!!!! Should I decide to eventually update to that kind of torque numbers in an engine, the T-56 would be way overpowered. I do have all the specs and the phone number should I change my mind and decide to be on the street more. Thanks for the input. Really anxious to hear how yours works out, that power tour stuff looks like it would be a blast!!!! Maybe I should just leave the racing to the kids and join up.....