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I am wanting to build a big cubic inch 351-W but read that the stroker cranks are made in china,I just cant stand the thought of a crank made in china and with all the reports of the crap they are sending our way I dont want one in my motor so someone tell me it aint so and does anyone know if any are made here in the states.
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Have you ever had a Chinese tool or machine that worked for more than a few hours? The extra bucks for an American made crank will look cheap when your Chinese bottom end shits its guts all over the road.
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The bottom end of a motor is something I would not go cheap on,the bolt on parts maybe but not the internals. I will spend the money on a good crank if I build one.
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David Vizard says he has been puttin' 550+ hp through a 3.750" Scat cast STEEL crank for years now without a failure.
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Might work fine in a race car but nothing I would want in a motor to go cross country in.
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The China made forgings are of a superior steel to the old oem forged steel cranks and are reasonably priced---they have allowed all these big cube/high horsepower combinations to be built. The companies went over there to get away from EPA regulations on factory emissions, not because the quality of the forging .
At least with crankshafts you know its not child labor----
We use mostly Callies stuff , but do use an occasional Eagle if thats what the customer wants or fits the budget.
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there is a 400m oem crank
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Moving to China to avoid the EPA ! That is not the right thing to do. They should have found a way to make them here and pushed their product as made in USA !Quote:
Originally Posted by jerry clayton
Should sell like hotcakes.:LOL:
Are there any cranks made here in the USA for his application ?
That was ,I believe his question
were is my dead horse it needs a good beating or i do :whacked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cape Cod Bob
The made in china cranks might be good but who makes them in the states,I dont want to buy one made in china if I dont have to and would like to compare prices.
they are about 1200 to 1500 and rods are about 700 and up crower howards oliver callies magnum lunati . some of callies compstar stuff is over sea stuff machine hereQuote:
Originally Posted by junkyardjeff
In another thread and in a number of email letters from customers there is a lot of talk why you and I choose to buy American and then there are many posts who do not believe it makes a difference. I thought it would be interesting to hear views on this subject and I am sure not everyone sees eye-to-eye on this-
My view
As many of you know, we manufacture all of our modular flooring products right here in Salt Lake City, Utah and I get emails all the time thanking us for keeping it here in the USA and how do we do it? I also have seen many comments on this forum and elsewhere about buying products that were manufactured in a factory 7000 miles outside of our country and see no reason why we should not to save money.
Here is my take ( for what it is worth ) of why I choose to make an effort to buy American and why I strongly believe in being a company that creates jobs right here in the USA - For me, It is not worth the $.50 to a couple of bucks savings for a tool (or whatever) to buy a copy-cat import product Vs. a quality USA products. Our country has lost millions of jobs, factories are closing and even entire towns disappearing due to these companies copying a USA engineered products and having them made in a country where there is no regard for human rights and the enviromental impact to the global community. By buying American whenever you have a choice, you are supporting your neighbor, your town, your country.
Could we make our floors for less and put more money in my pocket? sure, but I will have put almost a 100 families out of work, I would not be using local services- now multiply 100-1000-10,000 +++ and so on of similiar Compaines who decide to do the same thing to make a few pennies more. Instead, we are 100% in-house with all of our manufacturing. We buy USA raw materials, We engineer and machine all of our own molds, and We manufacture all of our products. We also keep all of our customer service and support staff in-house. Now more than ever this is a great challenge, but the rewards are far greater.
I also want to mention a new trend I am seeing in our industry and I am sure in others as well. There are companies who claim their products are Made in USA, they have it plastered all over their web site and promtional literature- Whent the truth is they may have only 1 of many products they offer being made in America, or worse they import products then re-pack them and place a sticker or print Made In USA on the box. Then there are those who play with the name of thier company or use their location as if it were made there. I find these tactics really imoral. We actually mold into our product the Made In USA and hav done so for over 20 years. Many of our competitors can not do this due to the legal ramifications of being caught importing a product stamped with this.
So, whenever I make the effort to buy a USA made product, I look for the permanent made in USA logo on the product itself. not a sticker or a clever name that Insinuates is was made here in our country
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i like to buy food made in the usa .a tv set ?? how about all the machines in the usa shop ? made over sea s . let not just get on china there other places as well . bottom line there is more cranks coming from china it has been that way for a long time if they were junk why would they still make them .there are USA company s that would not want to tell you there cranks are made in china some will. but if made here ? were is the steel coming from. how about the shop making the crank. is there machines made in the usa. what about the workers. do they drive usa built cars and trucks to work ????? and the worker are they USA citizens**)
With the way things are now I want to buy my parts made here if possible so we can keep some jobs here,with GM pulling out here in the Dayton Ohio area we will be a ghost town soon so I want to keep the money I spend here where it belongs.
well that good and i live in a ghost town but it is way to late GM was very big in bay city but the time to do something was about 1977 hey like it or not the big mess we all are in the big bail out .china now has are ass on the hook. it is there money backing up this mess and helping us out?Quote:
Originally Posted by junkyardjeff
Not again, cranks have been made, not just strokers, in China for a LONG time...Search China might pop up cranks...Quote:
Originally Posted by junkyardjeff
Dayton's been going downhill since NCR pulled out and from what I've been told it's pretty much one big slum.Quote:
Originally Posted by junkyardjeff
it would be great to hop in the time machine and crank it back .Now if i can remember were i park it:whacked:
NCR was the first I remember to pull out and has not been the same since and there is nothing much left now,I think the only big industry is the old Chrysler plant which was bought out a few years ago and who knows how long it will last.
The degradation of North american produced parts has been happening for years and unfortunatly we are all to blame or not to blame for it. Free market means if someone can build the widget for less than another guy you get to sell more widgets, you can make the reasoning andmake the stand that you will by American(or Canadian in my case) but it still comes down to dollars and common cents.
The world has gotten smaller and smaller in regards to ease of producing something and selling it worldwide
I would agree if the product quality is superior and the price is either equal or at least equal to the quality increase that the national producer should be able to compete.
Please dont use the so called North American auto industy as a example of buyers letting the country down. Those guys would rebadge a Lada and fill it with parts from china if they could sell it.
Hi,
You can get Crower, Kellog, Callies are US.
I hate to admit it but almost all of the budget stroker kits have "off shore" crank & rods. I have a 3" crower lite weight crank that cost me over $2200.00, Crower rods $800.00+. Speed parts are expensive but Eagle & Scat have greatly reduced the cost of stroker kits & engines today...
Instead of possibly buying parts made over seas I am going to look into finding a 71 400,I heard the early version had a smallblock bellhousing bolt pattern and if they also have smallblock motor mounts it will be the motor I get. I have been asking questions on a few forums about this motor and did find some info on it and was told the 71 motor had 290 HP and 400 foot pounds of torque and if I can find one and if they have the smallblock mounts and bellhousing bolt pattern it would be cheaper to build one instead of spending big money to make a 351 close to 400 CI so thats the route I will go if the early 400 can be bolted in where a 302 is now. I know the later versions use the 460 bellhousing bolt pattern and style of mounts but I need to find out what year that changed.
If you want to bolt a 400 to a C-4 or a AOD style trans and it has the 429/460 bolt pattern for a C-6 ,you can buy a adapter for around 300 bucks from Campbell Enterprises. In fact they make adapters to mate just about anything to anything. This is the route I am going with my 400 that is going in my 91 Bronco.
Kenny
I had a 400 with early 351 C heads and a big roller that hauled ass.
You have to do work to the oiling system for it to live.