Same to you, Paul. :)
Don
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Same to you, Paul. :)
Don
I don't think the water pump rpm had anything to do with the welds breaking--it was a marginal design change for a non-existant reason---and an inferior method of manufacture.
And then there was the mix/matching of non compatable pieces---Ford shortened the water pump to allow the 302 to be put in the t bird/cougar late 80s or early 90 as the engine was too close to the front of the car for federal crash specs---there was a complete series of parts involved with everything that had to do with the accessory drive / mount system. Your mounting and modifying( what rodders do) of these components ( shortening dampner drive hub) might of had more to do with setting up a vibration/harmonic in the drive system that caused an faulty weld to fail.
I think you might be right, Jerry. The guy I spoke with at Runne-Rite told me he used to work for Ford Racing and said " They know they have had problems with that pump, they should have told you that." I figured that pump and timing cover had to come off of some stock application, like the T Bird you mentioned, but I have never been able to find what stock pump it is. The guy at the Ford Racing booth at Turkey Run said this is a custom made unit that they machine the end off of to pick up 1.5 inches, but I can't see them not using a stock pump and timing cover if possible. Wish I could find out the exact application.
The weirdest thing was how that flat steel plate was totally reshaped into a cupped plate by the spinning vanes, I guess. What ever did it rolled the edge of the flat round plate into a perfect lip..........never seen anything like it. :confused:
Don
Don - it kinda looks like an Explorer pump and similar to what came off my crate motor - but yours is standard rotation - I believe ?????
Yes, they make this one in two versions, standard rotation for V belt, and ccw rotation for serpentine.........mine is V belt. When I was running around Daytona that Friday, trying to round up parts to fix my pump, the parts guy at a Ford dealership made me a printout that shows this pump as being used on a 351 mid 80's Ford F150 , but they didn't stock that pump. I took that info to a local NAPA and Advanced Auto and their pumps for that truck were totally different than mine.
I do know that to make this setup work I needed to buy a special timing cover that appears to be late model because it has that proviision down low for a crank sensor. It had some part numbers on the inside of it, but I didn't think to write them down before I installed it. Those numbers might have clued me in as to what this thing was designed to fit.
I almost chucked the whole setup and was going to order a Snow White short water pump assembly, but I am so deep in this thing now moneywise that I have to give it one more shot. I have a feeling that this may be the cure. :)
Don
Probably should keep this this thread handy to link to the next "How come there are so many small block chevies........." thread..;)
he he he :DQuote:
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bob play nice :3dSMILE:hard to beat them belly buttons chevys :3dSMILE:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter
I kind of pushed my luck with the 65 dollar C-4 thats in my 55 on the trip to Daytona and back,I noticed it making a noise when first fired up after sitting over night the next day after I got back. I would had a much larger tow bill since my trip was about 950 miles each way but it made it back home. We had snow since I got back so I have not driven it to see if then trans still shifts.
Inferior made parts will put those on the trailer too,I had to tow them home too.Quote:
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I had a newer bad water pump go out on my 37 chevy p/u,it was one of those shortened pumps to install a 55 to 62 235 in a 54 on back. The impellor came off the shaft and the pulley went into the radiator forcing me to remove the front clip to repair it.
I know you posted this tongue in cheek, but you are absolutely right, Bob. Chevy engines are the least expensive to play with, and GM didn't make running changes every 6 months like Ford does. GM has kept the same basic design, with some updates, over the years, and parts are available everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter
As I've mentioned before, I lean toward Ford and Olds engines, but MAN, do I have a lot of respect for the 350 Vortec I had in my 23. That thing just purred along, always got me home, and didn't cost an arm and leg to build. No question us Ford guys pay for our loyalty. :)
Don
Don the more I ponder this the more I wonder if the high rpms may have created some cavitation eating the pump up so to speak. I've seen it happen to propellers on boat. Just a thought.
Me too, Steve. For sure something reshaped that flat plate into a bowl shape. I know it was perfectly flat to start with because I had the back of the pump off to replace that blown gasket in Daytona and looked it over carefully. I was trying to see if I could determine the direction the pump was supposed to go (I was afraid they inadvertently shipped me a serpentine version) so I was peering under that plate to try to see how the vanes were aimed.
When I pulled the back off when we were home there was this little cupped thing inside there, instead of the flat plate. It just amazes me that whatever forces were working on it created an almost perfect lip around the edge. I would have expected the plate to be all chewed up, but not uniformly distorted like it was. I guess I'll never know. :confused:
Don
well the welds failed you have two parts....don for the force you can form flat metal on a lathe called spinning it cool if you ever seen it .most lathes are not powed by a sbf so its not hard to roll tin up
Yep Chevys are cheap to build but Fords go faster !!! :LOL:
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As much as March pullies go for, you would think that they would try to be a little helpful. Thats to bad I was looking at one of their set ups for mine too.
I guess I'll have to start looking else where.
Kurt
Pat, that makes sense. It sure didn't take a lot of time to do it either. That plate was flat when I tore it apart in Daytona and I only had a little bit of driving around on Friday night, Saturday, and then we only got about 5 miles out of town on Sunday before it went.
Steve, and here I thought you were an Olds guy! :LOL:
Kurt, I can't say anything about the quality of their products, those look pretty good and very complete. My only complaint is how rude and short they are when you call them. I mean, we are neighbors almost, and I was trying to buy some of their products. But all I got were one word answers, no suggestions as to what might work, and the feeling I was really imposing on them.
We finally did buy March pulleys for Don's 302 3 years ago because they were the only game in town, but we had to ship in 3 different sets to get one that we could work with. Luckily, Summit was good about taking back the ones that didn't fit, but it took a lot of research time and phone calls back and forth to figure out a setup. March could have probably cut that way down if they would have just had better customer service. :mad:
Don
Don i'm a ford guy deep down, I did my time at JW Automotive, You may remember them as they ran the GT40's that won 1966 LeMan 24hrs when 3 crossed the line abreast, Then they ran the Gulf Mirages and then the Porche 917's.
Cut my teeth on 289 and 427 Fords and had many in my hotrods over the years, this was my favourite, 29A Coupe with a 427 and twin n2o kits reliable 10.6 quarters and used to drive it 80 miles to work each day.
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...29ATesting.jpg
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...RIVINGHARD.jpg
Don't know why the pics wn't show ???
Nice little yellow coupe! I bet she screamed with the 427 puffing no2!:cool: Those old lemans cars of the 60's were just about the coolests cars ever made in my opinion. I still love the Steve McQueen movie!
Steve, I think Sue is going to have to cut back on the crumpets she is feeding you. Poor little coupe is sagging a bit on the drivers side! :LOL::LOL: How come every picture of your cars is one where you are pulling 4 G's in a turn? :cool: Interesting to hear about the GT 40 thing, bet that was fun.
Nice little coupe there, bet it really was a fun ride.
Don
you cheeky bugger :LOL::LOL::LOL: I guess i walked into that one :rolleyes:
Those pictures were took on a day one of our Hotrod mags did a shootout thingy for the magazine Don. There were 6 of the UK's top cars there and we had to do a quarter mile run, A 0-100-0, and a slalom course, I was fortunate enough to win :) which i was really surprised at, I had a feeling i would take the quarter & the 0-100-0 but didn't think i would fare well in the slalom with a 102" wheelbase and pro street rear but i managed to get through 2 seconds quicker than the others :confused: maybe they wern't trying :LOL:
I really miss that car it was a load of fun.
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Maybe those wheelie bars helped through the turns. :D Like I've said before, you Brits really drive the wheels off of your cars! :LOL:
Don