New Member wanting big help

I have a 1973 F100 Has 390 has the mid sixties gt heads bored forty probe pistions edl intake 750 dp holley msd ignition sat night special converter tci street fighter trans 2 rib nod housing 9 inch with posi 4.88 gears.
So here is where i need the help I have a buddy at work with a early 90 foxbody with 331 and procharger 9 lbs boost t-5 trans on stock tires weights 3200 he keeps talking crap about how fast his car is I want to beat him when we go to track this fall.
I am thinking about the 445 stroker from survivil Not worried about daily driver as you can see from the gears i plan on runnin 31 inch tire will this combo get me to times i need and if not what should i do I am up for nos or anything

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Save your money. Not worth the chest pounding IMO
Were you happy w/ the combo before all the talk at work?
No matter how fast you build it- someone is always faster.
You build a quicker combo & now you are happy & then your boss hires someone w/ a faster car. Then what?

Oh- and welcome aboard.

He will have a definate advantage, fox body stang weighs in at 2700 give or take a few, you`ll weigh in at 4900, with no weight in the rear. Is your suspension in the rear soft for tire hookup, do you have modified suspension in the front for some lift for weight transfer? Your truck is like a brick pushing the wind compared to the stang, just a lot of issues here.

I see your point on someone is always faster but this guy talks lot of crap.
Really want to shut him up and a big truck out runnin his little car would do just that.
And thanks for the welcome

I am going to order some caltracs I was very happy with them on my last vehicle and some 90/10 shocks for front.

Thanks for all your advice ahead of time

wanna beat your buddy at work?
buy a fox body mustang.

with the weight difference you are going to have to make a tremendous amount of power.... not to mention the engine acceleration and recovery differences between a 331 and a 445.

best of luck,
Drew

His car not as fast as you would think I don't know any times on it but on street he can out run the new ss camaros but not out run a corvette so I guessin his quarter times 12.7 to 13.2. I would think I could get truck to that times. I may be wrong I do know with intake exhaust tuner and 4.88 gears in my 04 quad cab dodge I got a 13.8 on 24 inch rims weighting 5800 and ford weights thousand pounds less and I think if you at same power level every hundred pounds loss eqauls a tenth off your times. I have no proof just what I have heard if I knew it all I wouldn't be here looking for help I would be giving advice.

I've always preferred pushing a string up a hill to pulling it, BUT, there's a lot of technology in your Hemi that's missing for the old FE series Fords.

Having said that, I say do it.

You'll have to come up with a good set of aluminum heads and a fairly stout roller cam, but you might just be able to pull it off

Beware of old geezers in Cadillacs!!:D

Most likely, he is going to beat you. A 331 stroker should be enough, but add the charger on top of the mix and that car should haul butt. If not, he is either lying about what all is in there or something is wrong with it.

You are also pushing a lot of wind with a pickup. I had a 5.0 Ford engine in my Jeep Comanche pickup and when you got your foot deep into the firewall it was like you hit a brick wall after you got some speed up. Up around 90-100 it was like you put the brakes on.

But the only way to know is to line up with him and see. I just wouldn't put too big of a bet on the run, if I were you.:D

Don

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I've always preferred pushing a string up a hill to pulling it,
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You think just like me It is lot more impesive to see a big heavy one showing those little (matchbox) fox body (tuner car lookin) how its done.

It has a Crane Cams PowerMax Hydraulic Flat Tappet, Lift: .537''/.537'', Duration: 288°/288°, RPM Range: 2200-5600. I'm pretty sure that is the cam that's in it

Do you think the stroker is needed or just good alum heads and diff cam

You know anything is possible but it takes alot of torque to get that thing rolling.
Then when you do get it up to speed it takes alot of HP to push the wind that thing will be pushing. You would have to build one monster of a motor to beat that fox body.
Buy your self a cheap fox body then gut the thing put in a 302 clever motor or a stroked 302 with some gears and you'll beat big mouth. He knows your heavy thats why he's running his mouth. If he has gutted his car you could be as much as 2,000 pounds heavier then him. I know I have a 70 Ford sport cab and that thing is a tank.
I am building a 65 Ranchero for drag racing right now with a well built 351 Cleveland.
Why the Ranchero??? because it only weighs about 2,000 pounds.
It's all about that weight.
Kurt

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YUCK

Not a foxbody fan at all. I get the light weight and v8 part but couldn't they have got a better looking body IMO mustang lost the look in early 70s and didn't get it back till 99.

I hope the gears will help alot to get it rolling and with a 31 to 33 tire and push it close to 6g should put me in the zone I need if my motor makes enough power to make it happen

Ya know I was never a fan of the 65 Ranchero's either but if you look around you can usally find a way to make them look nice. I had a 69 Buick that I thought was ugly
After looking around I decided to drop it and put low profile tire's on with true spoked rim's.
After that everyone and their mother was trying to buy it from me. It looked just like a old impala after I did that. Look at some photo's of hot looking fox bodies you find something you'll like. Here is a link to my buddies 65 Ranchero site, Now I am thinking Ranchero's don't look so bad!!! Kurt
http://loco4fomoco.com/1965_ford_falcon_ranchero.html

[QUOTE=73F100;395527]YUCK

Not a foxbody fan at all. I get the light weight and v8 part but couldn't they have got a better looking body IMO mustang lost the look in early 70s and didn't get it back till 99.

Well, considering they kept the same body style from 79 to 93 I would say a lot of people disagree with you there. If they wouldn't have been selling, Ford would have made a change way before that. I think you are just a little soured on them because your Buddies little 331 runs so good. I think you could put a J2 rocket on the back of that pickup and it still would have a hard time beating that little Stang. :LOL:

Don

Just never have liked them and don't think it run all that well to have stroked motor and charger and not be able to outrun a corvette that probably run mid to low twelve. And I do know lot of people who love them thats where the IMO came from because IMO they ugly cars I do have four buddies that have them mostly cause the power to size ratio I had 2002 gt and loved it dad has 1969 mach1 and loved it.

But back to the subject I just looking for some best bang for the buck advice from some FE guru's Or some good weight reduction ideas

If you do it, remember, there's NO substitute for cubic inches and remember, if somes good, mores better and too much is just enough.

Sorta like a Jeep CJ5 with a 454 Chebby

Takes big torque to move a pickup and it takes big inches to get big torque.... Can get some improvement in aero by lowering the truck, keep the fugly truck mirrors off the side, rolled pan on the front, etc. Also need to get some weight in the rear, fuel tank and battery are the easiest to do. Those leaf springs and staggered shocks in the rear aren't going to do it!!! Leafs are ok, need some housing floaters and 32" ladder bars for a better hook. Another consideration would be some engine setback, not much room to go back without some extensive firewall mods, but it can be done. Can you beat the Mustang??? Sure, but it's gonna put a bad hurt on your checkbook to do it!

I have got the truck lowered used some DJM dream beams in front and flip in rear also fuel tank is mounted between frame rails and between rearend and bumper didn't know anything about front rool pans and moving batteries to back is good idea thanks and keep em coming.

Here`s one of our local sleepers...

347ci LS1 / 4L80E - All Steel 3,600lbs
Best motor pass:
1.676 - 60'
7.366 @ 96.235 - 1/8 mile
11.578 @ 117.956 - 1/4 mile
N20 passes not worth talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73wnCoPRL8E

don't bother with the FE go with a 460 or bigger like 514 or really go nuts with an 815 bbf.the biggest problem i have seen with the fox body mustangs were the floors were cracked at the driver seat from the rockers to the tunnel.i liked the mustang ii,i've owned a couple in my day and they were really good cars.

So i lined up dodge against for today and dodge won twice. Maybe ford not good idea.

11 second 351 Ranger
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10 second 427 Ranger
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and I love this kool 429 F Truck
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big wheel stand Ranger.
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If you want a 445 we just finished one and had it dynoed Friday. We made 522ft/lbs at 2900. I'll post the dyno sheet in my build thread. We'd be happy to build one for you.

Build It into a monster truck and run his car over, that will shut him up and have everyone at work talking about how freaking cool that was.