Yeah Roger you have my attention !!
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Yeah Roger you have my attention !!
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Car's ready, got the primer & paint, time to set the inlet air filters at the bottom of the garage doors and tape up the sides when the front blew in with buckets of rain. Weather today sucks, with rain & winter mix - May showers bring snow plowers, or something like that..... Not sure if I'll be able to prime today or not with the weather. Rain will just soak my filters, plugging any air flow and I'll be down & out in a cloud. Not going to risk screwing it up to save a day.
Wow, Roger, you've created a really nice setup!! You should be able to do a lot of nice paint work in there......I'll get a trailer for my '37.....(hint, hint).....:eek::eek::LOL::LOL::LOL:
Just kidding! I'm excited to see how the '33 turns out. I'm sure it's going to be awesome!
Bad luck on the weather! But with May heat following any snow or wet should be gone soon! Looking foward to seeing the paint job, with tips and details for the rest of us ammateurs following along!
Ya got that puppy shiney yet Roger????????
Ribs will be waitin 4 ya here in Duncan !!!!
Not yet, Don. Unheated barn, other than a ReadyHeater that spews diesel fumes & residue and temps in the 30's to mid-40's hasn't worked so good. It's finally warming up some today, but we've got four couples coming out to the house late afternoon. The rain is gone for a few days and we're in a general warming trend so I'll be shooting primer tomorrow, then hopefully the little bit of panel matching body work won't take long.Quote:
Originally Posted by DA34GUY
The cold weather finally left the area! Did some final prep yesterday, taping and papering to try to keep overspray contained, and this morning was ready to start.
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Wiped it down with a wax & grease remover, blew out all the door & hood gaps, then did a final wipe down with glass cleaner to remove all residue:
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Once clean it was time to spray all the plastic wall & roof panels and the car with a 50/50 mix of rubbing alcohol and water to remove static, and let that evaporate. It took almost an hour for the car to totally dry, then it was a final blot with a tack rag (new cloth, open fully and let it air for ten to fifteen minutes minumum, then blot, don't rub). An hour later the car was once again all one color, but showing me some areas where work will be needed.
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I didn't even know when I did it, but I was reaching out to shoot the roof and let the hose kiss the edge of the roof in three or four places, and then after I saw that I laid on a heavy shot of primer for some sanding thickness and got a run :(:rolleyes: Not a big deal, as this is a seal coat of primer, prepping for filler to level gaps at the hood, trunk & doors anyway, but still irritating :mad:
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The lesson learned is that I need to commandeer the step stool from the kitchen pantry to give me a bit more reach, and also to drape the hose over my shoulder. :o
It was only one color for about ten minutes, waiting for the primer to flash, then it got dusted with light grey as a guide coat.**)
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Drying overnight, then blocking and fill starts in earnest tomorrow. Grandma is bringing the twins later today to spend a couple of nights, which is going to eat into my barn time, but it'll get done when it gets done!!;)
way to go Roger! Excited to watch this thread.
Looking Good there Roger!
I'm not going to bother everyone with a blow by blow on priming and painting, but one area that had concerned me was the cowl. Using a fiberglass hood and extending the back edge to account for leaning back the grille created some mis-match. The extension of the back edge of the hood was done (shown earlier), but there was some vertical mis-alignment to deal with. Once the supports were adjusted for the body side molding to be straight the hood was high relative to the cowl varying from 1/8" to 1/4"; and because of the extension making the hood slightly wider there was also a mis-match on the sides. With the hood as a guide I used body filler to build up the cowl, and after a couple of hours and a bunch of filler dust it looks 100% better! Passenger side, showing the center - yes, that's a celebratory Corona, 1/2 gone!!:LOL:
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Looking down at the hood side, alignment with the cowl:
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Driver's side, across the top:
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While waiting for filler to dry up front I got the top & trunk blocked out, and I think all of the fill work on the trunk area is done. Tomorrow I'll block the doors & sides, and I know there's a bit of fill on door to body match to get done. Also have some minor filling on the hood side molding area, and some pinholes up front in the fill rolling down to the grill surround. Hoping to have the final primer on Sunday/Monday, then wet block the primer, prepping for paint & clear. I've got to pull the doors and trunk after the body work is done around them, and make some stands to support moving them in & out of the spray booth area. On a good note, the gable mounted fan did a great job pulling fumes out, and I didn't see anything floating around in the air. This might work :3dSMILE::cool:
looks much better
Good Job Roger! And I like how you posted the pics with the explanation of what we're seeing in each shot! You'll need to come up with some sort of tutorial for us "challenged" posters.. :LOL::LOL:
That's really easy to do, and doesn't add much time if it's not too many pictures. Once the pictures or image files are uploaded, and in the "go advanced" mode I hit "preview post" to ensure that the pic's are in the right order. Then dropping back down to the message box I move between the picture files, add a couple of spaces and enter my text. Before I hit "submit" I hit "preview post" again to check the work, and to be sure I didn't put the right words with the wrong picture, or vice versa:LOL:;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 34_40
Nice work.
That fits a heck of a lot better Roger, very nice work!!!! The extra time to do things right is always rewarded by the quality of the finished product!!!!!!
I don't know..................if you'd done a few more of those cervezas ahead of time you wouldn't have had to deal with as much OCD.;)
BTW Roger, this is all your fault.
My booth isn't anywhere near as sophisticated as yours..............................but I do have today's spraying on the bake cycle right now......
And I have no doubt you'll get a much better finish than I!!:LOL::LOL: It's not the environment as much as it is the guy pulling the trigger!;) Now, about that OCD thing.....:HMMM::p:LOL::LOL::LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter
Interesting, my wife uses that brand of glass cleaner. I steal it to do the windows on the cars when I just gotta see. The interesting part is that I have always felt it left a film. That said, I would expect it to be determental to your paint. Guess it is not so (not trying to be a jerk, just looking for experience.)
My paint supplier, who is also a high buck painter, swears by it for the final clean. No film, no residue, no ammonia. Worked fine for me on the primer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooting
Perhaps my windshield is dirtier than I think and I should do it more than once.
Lookin good,Roger..There's a great deal of prep work leading up to the finish coat,,and it's soooo good to get to that point of the game..:cool: The coupe's looking good..So it's a black top coat too,is it?? Oh,fun..:D:whacked::whacked: Love your booth setup,too..A lot of work gone into that..Awesome..
So, which came first? paint and body work or OCD????:LOL::LOL::LOL:
Well, I'd always thought it was just a dose of "perfectionist" in most things that involve building, and I had no idea it was OCD!!:eek: But since Dr Bob has made the diagnosis from a distance, I may have to seek medication:rolleyes:;):LOL::LOL: Looking back, I guess his "diagnosis" also included a "treatment" suggestion, but I'm not sure having beer with my cereal is going to fly with Mama...:HMMM:;):LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
Denny (DA34Guy) asked about getting everything back together for the 3rd Greybeards run to LA. I got everything primed and blocked, ready for color and decided to shoot the hood, trunk grill and splash aprons first as a test. Splash aprons were first and looked OK - but all of the compound curves just masked what was happening. On the hood I noticed a fisheye type flaw, but big, like a 3/16" soft crater that seemed to be diminishing as it started laying down so I went ahead to the trunk. It was terrible! Many more large soft craters. After about twenty minutes I decided to put a second coat on the hood to see if it would lay flat, but it would not. Something was repelling paint in several places of varying size.
I loaded up the hood and a splash apron and headed to the paint shop, which is also a very good custom paint shop for specialty work. No one could figure out a precise reason for the flaws, but thought that the base was salvageable with some work. Decided to wet sand lightly to open the surface, then shoot a soft bridge coat for adhesion followed by one more color coat. In the process there was an area on the trunk that I found needing more attention, and I spot primed a corner. When I shot the bridge coat of color that corner was the only part that laid down right - the rest seemed to have some type of contaminant in the paint. I re-primed the hood, then shot it using a faster reducer and it laid down right. Clear followed, and it also laid down right. At this point the other four panels have been reprimed, ready to once again sand them for color. As I said in Ken's thread, one step forward, two steps back, but the hood looks pretty good!
The plan is to re-shoot the little pieces, then shoot a small area on the body & doors to be sure the problem's gone. My idea is that the reducer I used in the first batch of color was a previously opened can (less than 1/2 full), and that it had either absorbed moisture or evaporated some of the volatiles, changing the chemistry in the color coat that was present even after it had dried overnight.
Oh, man, Roger! What a nightmare!!! It's crazy how sensitive this stuff is....:whacked::whacked: Hope you got it figured out!
On a lighter note, if you gray bearded guys come to LA, give me a shout. Would be fun to meet up somewhere.:)
Randy,The "3rd Annual Great Greybeard Adventure" will be pullin into Pomona on the afternoon of June 12.Quote:
Originally Posted by randyr
Stayin @ The Red Roof Inn in San Dimas.
Will B runnin all over So Cal Thursday and Friday, then 2 days @ LARS
Cool! Making note of the dates. When it gets closer we'll figure something out.Quote:
Originally Posted by DA34GUY
Roger------------What do you have for an air compressor and what type oil is in it?????????????This has been a culpert in many cases like yours---------
You could maybe positively prove/disprove by taking your air hose regulator paint gun to that shop and see if same thing happens there----
I remember the fisheyes that appeared just after the silicone waxes came out---seems silicone is good for breast implants but not much else!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jerry, I would agree on the compressor/oil but the problem seems to have gone away when I re-primed the hood and re-sprayed it; and more important the primer lays down like glass. I'll know more in a bit - just got the trunk lid primer sanded out, ready for some color and will probably do the doors, too, for grins.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerry clayton
Wow Roger, things like this scare to the tar out of me, when I think about trying to paint my own vs. having it done professionally. Way to hang in there and problem shoot it! Post some pics as you go, please!
Aer you using any type of filter before the gun? Even the little ones at the gun can help! Ask me how I know!! :LOL::LOL:
Been there, Done that, bought the Tee Shirt! ;)
Yes, I have a filter/regulator unit just before my QD to the booth. It's doing fine now. I think that it must have been the old reducer, because today I've shot primer on the grill surround (third time :(), spot primed the splash aprons (again...:() and then shot base, candy and clear on the trunk lid and both doors. Got one tiny sag on the trunk lid, but it's only about an inch long and sags less than 1/4". Letting those set while we run into town for a bit, then will roll them into the other part of the shop to dry for a couple of days before wet sanding them with 800, then two or three more coats of clear before it goes back together. While they're in the other room I'll base, candy & clear the body, splash aprons and grill surround tonight or tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by 34_40
Candy?
Thought it was HENRY Black Roger
Black base with a coat of blue candy before the clear, to make it REALLY black ;):cool::) Supposed to be the blackest black one can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by DA34GUY
That sounds interesting! I never heard of that one. Can't wait for a pic or two.. (hint - hint):LOL::LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by rspears
there are many shades of black that cast blue, red / brow n..some were i still have my PPG variance color deck on just white and black .some of the clean blacks were the dau 9300 factory pack s that i use that and dupont pitch black this was before Sem paint /house of color ... mix banks off the paint shop many times are a weaker black seen it on re paints . getting fish eyes or pinning comes from many things ones is to hot of a thinner on a poor prep or to much mold release . hot thinners drive waxs to the top of finish many preps not not clean a part were a strong soap need to be done first like a poly cracker . before a PPG 330 or preclean alcohol base prep need to be wiped dry or can do the same things as a slow drying top base coat . slicon from any thing can rise unholly things in the paint . dirty air lines i kep one line only for painting . a worn out air pump or a over worked compessor can add a water/oil mix that can go past many cheap traps and line filters
Here's one of the trunk lid, but the affect of the blue candy will not be known until it hits the sunlight, or so they say.... This is an hour after the third coat, no sanding, no buffing, just raw clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by 34_40
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Awesome, Mr. Spears that's gonna be beautiful! Wow - like glass!!! You're making my my effort look feeble.
Pat, I appreciate your comments on causes of fish eyes, etc. After thinking about it I don't think I can blame the reducer being old, but the fact that it was too "hot" for the weather. We had an unseasonably cool day, and I did not properly compensate by dropping back on my reducer. Looks like I caused this "re-do" myself, but then I knew it was something that I had done. Another lesson learned....Quote:
Originally Posted by pat mccarthy
