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I'm retired and change directions every few minutes some days.:whacked:
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Originally Posted by techinspector1
Hey Richard, I resemble that comment!!!!!!!!:LOL::LOL::LOL:
Actually, been doing a bit of work on the sheet metal most every day, and finalizing plans for the frame and suspension. Three of us going in on a tubing order this year, sure does help with the pricing and the freight when you get a large order together, and allows you to do business with the larger, more reputable steel suppliers and avoid that import crap!!
Anyway, it's going to be a fun build and I'm really looking forward to being able to devote more time to it.
Dave----to PLAN AHEAD for a tubing order---I always order a lot of the smaller stuff, especially SS for brake, fuel lines and smaller 4130 for braces,pedals, linkages in sizes/wall thickness that gives an id that is correct size for tapping-------
lots of times adding a couple hundred feet of the smaller less $$/ft stuff gets the footage up to where the whole package costs less-------------
If you have a rep at the steel company that will give you a list of prices at the different footage groupings you can work out a very nice price for the bundle that you need---
I used to do this in reverse--ordering tubing for building Karts (total of 75 ft/per kart) I would add some 1 5/8 .083 so I could PLAY ------------its amazing that when going to the next footage grouping that sometimes the price would be less than half------
Or show up @ Shapiro supply with cash and go straight to Stan's office !:LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by jerry clayton
Dave I stumbled across this article, this morning about Ford choosing to go with an aluminum body on the new F150. Thought I'd share it.
The word from the Wall Street Journal is that Ford's planning to build the next generation F-150 with a largely aluminum body. Their goal is to cut down the weight of the truck by a whopping 700lbs. Ideally, this would increase gas mileage significantly, and allow for the use of smaller engines. In addition, it'll be getting a more muscular look to match it's brand new body.
Building in aluminum has it's issues, however. For one it's expensive. Steel has the benefit of being cheap to manufacture and fix, while aluminum is more difficult to work with. In general, it costs between $1.5 to $2 to cut one pound of weight from a car by using aluminum over steel. Richard Schultz, managing director of metals at consultancy Ducky Worldwide, estimates a $1,500 bump in material costs to the F-150 should Ford go through with it. That's not even including the retooling costs required for large scale aluminum adoption.
This sounds like a risky gamble for Ford on one of their most popular models, but the payoffs could be huge. While aluminum isn't quite as resilient as steel, it's very strong. Ford's Raptor actually uses aluminum control arms and hasn't had a problem yet. Aluminum is also the least expensive way to add lightness to stress bearing components while maintaining strength. Although it might make for a more expensive F-150 in the short term, there's indicators that an aluminum body would actually make for a better truck overall.
We're getting our specs together on what the 3 of us will need over the winter, the 1 5/8" .083 will be a large part of the order. As you mentioned, Jerry, the number of sticks on the order significantly lowers the price!!!!! Usually comes out to about 1/3 to 1/4 less on price then any one of us could have got had we placed individual orders!!!! Usually the footage discounts more then pays the freight!!!!
Hey Howard, do you know Stan very well??? Used to buy some from Shapiro's back in the sprint car days, would be a good excuse to go to St. Louis, anyway!!!!!
Steve, saw a short blurb on the aluminum body possibility on one of the Ford Sites I frequent.... I'd be surprised if the bean counters don't kill it though.... I drove one of the new F-150's with the 300 hp V-6, decent power for the truck, don't think I'd want to tow with it!!!! Now, if that same V-6 were in a Ranger, think it'd be a blast!
Dave,I don't know him real well,me & my best buddy Jeff had a connection thru Jerry Russell (Eagle Chassis) back in the 80's to mid 90's. We being tight wad racers by neccesity would clone the latest chassis for our own use plus sell one here and there for tire money. We would go up there on a sturday morning and get Stan bench racing, then tell him what we needed, He'd say yeah I got it in stock,Thats gonna be cash right ? We'd say of course and leave with a truck full of chromemolly tubing, short some cash and no sales ticket.:LOL:
I would bet he's not around there much any more as he would have to be in his 70's.
Yeah, I keep forgetting about that age thing whereas we're all getting so dang ancient, Stan has got to be retired by now.... Heck, don't think I've got anything from him since mid-80's!!!!!! He had what we needed and got it to us right away, I do remember that much!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by HWORRELL
I'm NOT retired,and I still change directions every few minutes some days..:eek: In fact...I did it today,on a regular basis...:whacked::whacked:Quote:
Originally Posted by techinspector1
300hp from a v-6, not too shabby, but sounds like low torque issues for towing? Used to struggle with that one! Every hunting season, we'd hop in the old jeep cj-7 and start the slow climb up some steep 4x4 logging roads, the old straight six has the guts to make it to the top of each grade, though it will never win a drag race!
Its all looking great Dave, I still reckon it should of been a gasser though :LOL::LOL::LOL:
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Well, it was going to be but a few of the locals around here started all this 'gotta have this and gotta do that' crap and I just decided (as usual) that I don't want to play where I have to go buy someone else's interpretation of how a car should be, matter of fact decided I didn't even want to build my version of a gasser cuz I'd probably end up having to associate with them!!!!!!:LOL::LOL: So, now I'm building what I want to build and having a blast doing it!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by roadster32
Ok, this is where the purists might want to stop looking at this thread!!!! One of the things I never liked about the '57's where the wheel openings....With that long taper to the rear it just showed to much ugliness around and behind the tire. I'm going to change both the front and rear wheel openings. Drew some lines on the fender, did some planning, then started cutting.
I'll be changing the long taper in the back to a tighter radius, and moving the wheel opening itself back about 5" so as to lose some of the overly long wheelbase. Here's a couple pics of how the whole adventure started;
So !!! Don't stop there I would like to see a finished fender:eek:. Are you changing the wheel base?? That will change the hole looks of the car:3dSMILE::LOL::LOL::LOL:
That's where I quit for the day, Charlie...Had some other things to take care of. I'm taking 5" out of the wheel base and redoing the wheel opening on the front fenders.... I like to have things a bit different!
OK I just couldn't see it with out shorting the W/B. It will be different are you moving the engine back also??
Yeah, the engine will be set back a ton, don't have the exact amount just yet, need to get the frame started and do some engine mock up...on paper it's about 7" setback.Quote:
Originally Posted by cffisher
that would be the reverse of the old days moving the rear forward
Yup, just the opposite. The car has such a long wheelbase, I'm shortening it 5" to improve the handling issues, the shorter wheelbase, along with all the weight reduction and engine setback should get the chassis to handle better in a corner and react a lot faster in straight line acceleration. Still aiming for 2500 lbs. dry weight!
thats one big diet for a 3200# car
Yeah, big diet but a lot to be gained in performance and handling!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by cffisher
Got started putting the left front fender back together today, didn't do much had some visitors and went for lunch then checking out a couple of the local racers' shops.... Still have to do some designing around the front bumper to get the wheel opening to look right.
lookin good your not running a bumper are you
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Originally Posted by cffisher
Yeah, but it will be fiberglass. going to narrow it down a bit so it doesn't stick out past the surface of the fenders... Trying to figure out how to put some decent aero in the front end without totally doing away with the original look. Without anything on the front end, it becomes one big huge air trap, kind of like trying to drive a barn door down the road!!!!
Dave I get this 31 done in time will may have to make a phone call together ,
Well, one front fender roughed in, one to go! I modified the wheel opening because I never have liked the long tapered look of the rear of the wheel openings on a '57... From the side, you just see too much "stuff" behind the tires, frame, exhaust, etc. I began by moving the whee opening back 5" to shorten up the wheelbase a bit, then changed the radius on the rear of the wheel opening. On the front of the wheel opening I added in a piece of sheet metal and matched the front lower portion of it to the contour of the bumper. Still have to get the other fender done to match, then shorten the bumper up so that it doesn't stick out from the side of the car but rather is tucked in to the fender. The mods to the bumper and fender should also help aero performance a bit, the huge stock opening has to let a lot of air in behind the tire and stack up against the firewall. I'm sure the gains will be minimal, but every little bit counts when you're dealing with a car that has the same aero characteristics of a barn door!!!!
Sure do hope the restoration purists don't find where I live, there'd probably be a public lynching!!!!!!!:eek::LOL::LOL:
Nice work Dave! If you want some vintage tin that's aero, make your next project a Studebaker! :LOL::LOL:
Thanks Pat! Yup, a Stude is still on my list of things to do!!!!!! I've still got that Stude pickup that a friend gave to me, might start putting out some feelers for a Stude to Stude trade next spring.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Stu Cool
Well let me know when you are ready, I know some guys...
Thanks Pat, I will keep the offer in mind.... Problem is I like the pickup, I like the year/styling of yours, and I like the bullet nosed cars too..... Probably have to decide what I want, or just do one of each, huh?????:LOL::LOL::LOL:
What year pick up is it? Is it the round fender series or more like this one?
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It's a '49, Pat. Friend of mine was moving and didn't want the expense of taking it along. Heard a story at coffee the other day about a couple of Stude cars at a guy's place north of town, going to go take a look one of these days, he supposedly wants to trade one of the cars for a pickup so I suppose I'd better check it out and see what he has!! Next time I'm out to the farm I'll pull it out of the barn and take a couple pics for you..... Now that I'm actually retired, a trip West might be in order someday, I have a bunch of cousins in the Tracy area I haven't seen for a few years.......
**)**)Retired**)**):LOL::LOL::LOL: You'll find your self working more than before:eek: ENJOY
Tracy,CA.,Dave??Will have to hook you up with a krazy Kiwi and his mrs,who live around there,somewhere..Sparrow Sanford.. I knew him a few decades ago,,hung out with his brother in law,Weasel..:LOL::LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
Before I go out that way I'll be sure to get hold of you and get some info on him, Robin!!!!! I knew Tracy was a crazy town, but I had no idea they'd let transplanted Kiwi's live there!!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek:;);)Quote:
Originally Posted by lamin8r
Tracy is less than 100 miles from me Dave. Definitely within range. Don't come this way without letting us know!
Pat
Thanks,mate..:LOL::LOL: Ya cant miss him,,he drives a red 32 roadster....hmmm,,,yeah,just like everyone else there at this time of the year..:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
Actually,the place has that many Kiwis up there at the moment,you would be forgiven for thinking that you have been taken over..:eek: Hey,Dave,,keep up the good work on that 57..I'm looking forward to the finished article..:cool::cool:
Thanks Robin! Would be a blast to look up your mates next time I'm out there, hopefully by spring I can have something done of mine that would be fun to make the trip in!!!!
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Pat---tentatively planning on Spring or early summer to head out your way---that's if I can stay healthy enough this winter to get at least one of my projects done!!!! It's mainly from your inspiration that the '57 will be LS powered, so I suppose I'm duty bound to bring it by so you can check it out!!!!
I have one word for you David....................................focus! You're almost worse than me for Pete's sake!!! :)
Do what????:LOL::LOL::LOL:Probably a bit late in life for me to pursue that radical of a course of action!!!!!!!:whacked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter
Your fender looks great, Dave! That mod will make people scratch their heads trying to figure out what's different.
