Strange??? Its always more fun in unchartered waters. Personaly I hate doing any one car more than once.
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Strange??? Its always more fun in unchartered waters. Personaly I hate doing any one car more than once.
And you know that "WE" are living vicariously through you right?!?! Resale value? I can only imagine what it may be.. what could a chopped up / altered icon be worth? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
OK.. we'll settle for an LS bellybutton:LOL: but we will have to "suggest" once in a while.. just cannot help ourselves! :LOL:
Charlie, maybe that's it! Always enjoyed doing the unique cars, or doing the "standard fare" cars in a unique way!
34-Certainly hope you guys don't stop with the suggestions, more and better ideas are always welcome around here!
Yeah, you're doing the right thing with the LS motor for the Chebbie. I'm just itching to see a "payback" trend of Ford in Chevy for all of the bowtie motors in just about everything over the early years, just 'cause it was "easier" ;) A good friend here in KC says if he ever hits the lottery he's looking for a classic '63 Split Window Vette, ripe for a classic 427 Side Oiler under the hood for the pure enjoyment of listening to people howl at car shows :p
A few years back I was a day late and a dollar short on a theft recovery '85 Vette. We were only a couple hundred bucks apart on the price of the car, should have paid his price and put a Ford in it. The not-so-popular year Vettes are coming down in price all the time, gotta happen someday!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by rspears
Yeah, you can pick those old vettes up for a song these days. Most people seem to be junking them to use the suspension in everything from 57 Chebbies to F100 pickups. A nice little "hybrid" would be fun, though! a Fordvette or maybe a Chord....:eek::LOL::LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
Those older vetts have a lot of steel in them and won't last outside. I've done a few and you wouldn't believe the rust bucks they are. Suspensions are about all thats anygood on them
I don't know about pre-84 but '84 & up have an aluminum cage/frame, aluminum suspension & fiberglas body. The engine cradle is steel but beyond that, I didn't see much steel......I have heard of steel mounting plates for the bodies of the earlier vettes that would rust out....Quote:
Originally Posted by cffisher
70s steel frame. windshield frame steel inside doors steel quit a bit everywhere
My dream, if ever I win the lottery, is to buy a Corvette from around that era, rip the back off it, and mount an obviously 'farm built' Ford pick-up body on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rspears
That way I'd get the most number of purists howling for the least possible effort.
That would be fun! :LOL: :LOL:
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Sorry to hijack your thread Dave but all this talk about putting something else in a Corvette reminds me about my friend Steve, he is the one that had the '32 5 Window in his lounge, he purchased a late 50's Corvette when up in California minus the running gear so he happened upon old Chrysler Hemi that he slung into it more to import into NZ then anything but heck, he said that he was just about run out of the USA at gun point over it. Funnily enough the car with the hemi in it still is sitting in the corner of his garage and still gets comments on it now.
I have just found this thread, saw your comments about my car and wondered if you had any pictures of Gene Moody's car way back when it raced? I restored it back to when it was lettered as "Moody's Garage", the name changed to "Hoosier Hustler" after he won the Street Eliminator Championship at the inaugural NHRA World Finals at Tulsa OK in 1965 and before it went to Hawaii in the fall of 1965 on the NHRA tour. Maybe it was the Oct '65 Hot Rod mag feature title of "Hoosier Hustler" that caused him to change the name? Anyway, if you have any info on the car, please let me know as I am always looking for more history to add to the book that I display with the car. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Robinson
Let me do some digging on information about your car, Brit!!!! You could try a google search on it, might be surprised what turns up! That's how the picture posted was found!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by madbrit
Dave, thanks for the reply. I have Googled both names and Gene himself. There is not too much out there. In fact I think it shows more of my history with the car than early stuff from the 60s....... LOL.
I don't see any posted picture, is it back down the thread? If so, how far back, thanks.
Hmmmmm. Maybe the picture appeared on a different thread (or maybe even a different site!!!!!!!) Don't go by my memory, I think it's a good day if I remember my name!!!!!!!:whacked::LOL::LOL::LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by madbrit
Dave,
I noticed on the front of a JEGS book that MSD has a super slick version of their system called "MSD Atomic EFI LS" for the Chevy LS motors. The electronics are all incorporated into the fuel rails, so wiring is minimal, and no separate ECU to hang with it's elephant trunk bundle of wires to the engine. Very clean, but not sure how much you can do in the tune it yourself arena. Seems to me that MSD does their self learn, but then has optional screens where you can go beyond that if you want. Might be worth a look....
Friend of mine is running it on his car now, waiting for some decent weather to see how it performs!!!! Think I still want something with a lot of tuning capability like your system.... Kind of a steep learning curve but I don't have much else planned anyhow!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by rspears
I guess I can't think of any reason I would ever want to change an LS back to a distributor!!!!!!!!
Might be that "secret weapon" you've been missing, Dave. Fuel mapped for max power across the rpm range, and spark controlled by weights & springs that you can play with in the pits instead of using the computer. It would definitely cause some "head scratchin'" at the shows, seeing an LS motor with a distributor, and a FORD distributor to boot!! :LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
If your where going carb for simple install,it converts to normal dizzy ignition.
Really for dirt cars,but has multi applications.
Allstar Performance - racing and high performance car parts, accessories and specialty tools.
Really for dirt cars,but has multi applications.
Allstar Performance - racing and high performance car parts, accessories and specialty tools.
And uses a yes a Ford dizzy which you probably has laying around.
I don't see the point. Who in their right mind is going to pay the extra money to get the LSX engine with all of it's features, and then strip off the coil packs, injectors ,front cover and associated electronics to replace them with a carb and distributor? If you're going to run a carb & distributor then find a good Gen 1 engine and start there as opposed to paying for technology you're not going to use. The seller says
I'll cry "FOUL" on that statement. The performance and durability of the LS (and LT) engines is derived from the computer controlling all of the variables, changing the tune across the load range where it's virtually impossible to tweak with the carb and distributor. The "old school" tuning is macro, while the ECU is micro. As for dirt track engines, the unlimited guys may be able to step up to an LT/LS engine dialed back with a carb & distributor, but from what I've seen the lower classes have far too many rules about the pieces & parts to allow this. As I read the marketing information it looks to me like these guys are trying to give the guy who's scared to death of individual coils, injectors, and ECU's a way to use the LS engine, but they're telling him he can get equal performance, reliability and efficiency by stripping it down and using old school parts. I don't believe that to be true. Seems like a big step backwards, to me.Quote:
Enjoy the performance and durability of the GM LS series engine with the simplicity and tune-ability of a distributor and carburetor.
Roger--you got to look at this from a RULES perspective!!!!!!!!!
there are lots of rebuildable(and running) ls engines out there available WITHOUT the ecm and wiring, manifolds and injectors throttle bodies---
they can be put in a local rules race car withdistributors and carbs pretty cheap because the racers don't then need complicated wiring and high pressure fuel systems----
AND ALSO------------- ecm controlled engines can be micro adjusted for a very effective traction control that the racers don't want--------
I don't disagree for a racing application Jerry, but this was thrown out in Dave's '57 Cruiser Build Thread, and he's made it crystal clear that he's using this project as a tool to learn EFI tuning. Now if I had a good running LSX engine without the ECU I'd be looking seriously at the MSD LS EFI package, which lets you use the engine without any of the hassles of the OEM ECU and gets rid of a TON of ugly wiring! I can't see taking a finely tuned Swiss watch and turning it into a Timex.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerry clayton
they got to be one of the ugliest engines ever with all that shit hanging all over--can't work on engine----no wonder factories put an engine cover over it---
By the way----one of those Camaros that Corey is working on is at 892 rwhp----------And I believe that it is held down by a restrictive air supply(small aircleaner setting right along valve cover above left side headers) and a severely restricted exhaust system---2 1/2 pipes, cats, and many 90* aprox bends----------(now on unleaded race gas)
I guess I missed the part about Dave wanting to use this project as a learning tool.His interests in oval track racing combined with his background with Fords is what prompted me to pass along the ref link.I know on the Thirdgen forum engine swap section there are a number of guys doing a carb swap as apart of the LSx engine swap.
As for me,I've said how much I regret building a 383 over a LSx.The one open question I have about the LSx series engines is given their C.I. size what kind of torque output can be had off idle without expensive stroking them.And here what I am talking about is what can be had from the local junk yard.
Not to further Hijack Dave's '57 build thread, but I guess I don't understand your problem. On another thread, commenting to the guy wanting to re-cam his engine, you said,Quote:
Originally Posted by 1gary
If you're doing 25 engines a year, that's 1000 race engines you've sold assuming the same average sales over the 40 year period, which is a pretty good volume, two engines per month, every month. Why would you not just put your 383 stroker into the queue and sell it, then build the LSX you want?Quote:
Lastly,we buy and sell only race hard core parts and sell/build only short block or complete engines for the same. I am thinking we have turned maybe 25 engines just this last yr. Been doing that for 40 yrs. It's not like we just build one or two engines in the last 5 yrs.
Roger.that vary debate is one I am having with myself.Guess because I got one of the last built Howards Track Smart 5.7 stroker cranks is one reason.Certainly there is some choices I made in parts if I had a do over would change.This 383 engine is something I personally own,so I would have to go to my partner to see what I could work out is the other reason I guess.I would have to sell it to the business so he saw his share of whatever it sold for..........and it really isn't the kind of engine we normally sell either.Quote:
Originally Posted by rspears
Dave please accept my apologies for the off topic posts on your thread.
Ran across this fella and some of his videos, 9-29-12 what is megasquirt quick overview - YouTube , he and his friends make some crazy horsepower with efi and turbos.
This video was his attempt to explain one of the pieces he uses and it looks alot easier than I first imagined. Still not ready to make the plunge myself.. but, it could be sooner than later! :LOL:
Mike,
A friend of mine uses the Megasquirt controllers (Link - MegaSquirt - Electronic Fuel Injection Computer by Bowling and Grippo ©2010 ) exclusively on his cars and he thinks they're great! I wasn't brave enough to jump into one, because their web site tells you straight out that it's a complex controller with tons of options. Now that I've got a (very) basic understanding of the maps and corrections I think it might be fun to build one from scratch. I think I'll do some reading on their FAQ and Instruction Manual on one of the cold winter days that are coming.
Roger, the thing about that kid is he makes it so simple! He actually has a LS Chevy in a late 70's Fairmont and with the turbo it's in the 700 horsepower range!
He isn't very "particular" about the quality of his work but his "stuff" flat out hauls!!
I'm also thinking 'bout building one from scratch.... just because...
I saw a bunch of those Fairmont videos from that guy; that's what made me go out and buy a 5.3 for my project. I cant believe how well that stock truck engine has held together. The bowtie guys should be pretty darn proud of that engine.
Dang! I've missed the last 8 pages on this thread!:( I used to get a notice whenever anyone posted a reply here (and on other threads I had posted on), but I don't get those any more. Did the site quit doing that or is something wrong on my end? Help!!:eek:
Didn't miss much on the '57 Jim, at least nothing earth shattering. It's still sitting on the chassis table awaiting it's turn!!!!
Jim check your user settings, might not get immediate response to subscribed threads, if the box was unchecked.
Got anything new here Dave??
Haven't done a thing to it Charlie, too many other things going on right now!