I think it's time for me to close this build thread. I'm tired of this motor mount thing being beat to death. The fun out of posting about it has gone .
See you guys around.
Don
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I think it's time for me to close this build thread. I'm tired of this motor mount thing being beat to death. The fun out of posting about it has gone .
See you guys around.
Don
Please don't close it Don, its very interesting and is a credit to this forum, Myself i was only trying to help as I'm sure Jerry was, I apologise if it came over any other way.
Don----you can do it any way you like--and I won't make any more responses to any of your builds
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One more thing.......................how about the 3,000 views that are counting on you??.:confused:;):LOL:
Don. I also hope you return to this! You and your sons are such an important piece of the jigsaw puzzle we call CHR! I'm thinking your experiencing the one thing we all worry about, criticism and thin skin, when you put yourself out there. You have always seemed to be immune to this phenom and I really hope you can shake this one off and continue this project. While I don't participate anywhere near the level you do! I hope you can re-gain the enthusiasm & excitement to continue this project. I always learn from you and the boys and enjoy your ability to share. Not to mention I'll miss the kitty's.....
Okay,this is my second try to post,first time it said I was no longer logged in,and what I typed disappeared. I hope you reconsider,your builds are fun to read about. If I may,might I suggest a way to bolster the torque converter area by bolting on the cover/shield from a chevy 4x4 ? In my feeble mind it seems that it should help by closing in that area,and you cold even polish it to look pretty! Hank
Different ideas are helpful sometimes. I know that you guys have steered me clear of many disasters and offered great support to this beginner(me). Sometimes, it seems the way people respond are more distructive than helpful, but by in large most posts are positive. Don you and Steve, Dave, Ken, and even Bob are the main reason I visit here. I know I have gotten carried away with the banter in the past, but have learned as I go. You are a real asset to this site, and will be sorely missed should you decide to stop posting, though I respect that too. It's been hard not seeing Ken's posts. I hope you reconsider.
Ok, where to start? First off, I would like to apologize to Jerry and everyone who was just trying to help with their suggestions and comments. You did nothing I haven't done a thousand times on here, so I should have taken it as just being helpful.
I guess what caught me the wrong way was that we had put in two 12 hour days figuring out the mount and then the subject of needing a center support wouldn't go away. I think I was tired, and also a bit childish.... ok, VERY childish....taking my ball and going home. :o
I actually had it in the back of my mind about that setup putting a lot of stress on the aluminum bellhousing area, because I remember reading about that years ago when Hurst mounts were being used alot. Something about them being ok with cast iron bellhousings but not aluminum. But I wanted to get further into the build before I thought about that aspect........I could always add the support at a later time.
I called Bob Bendtsen today, who makes the adapter I am using and he said some people don't use any support there, but it is highly recommended. He said some people modify the stock bellhousing mounts to work, and others fab up something off of the 3/4 inch thick adapter plate he includes with his kit.
I think what we will do is maybe weld some wings onto that plate and run some rubber bisquits, one per side, to support the back of the motor there. I looked at it last night, when I put the motor and transmission back into the car, and there is plenty of room to do that.
My Son Don said he saw my last post and said that sometimes written words come out different than what we intended on saying, and he is right. Again, I apologize to all the people who were just trying to be good friends, but who caught me on an off day. Please accept my apologies. :)
Don
Glad you're back, Don.:D As far as the "tone" of your post, there were a couple of others that were a lot more abrasive than necessary. I would have "fired back" also if put in that position. If you received my personal e-mail you know what I'm talking about. Anyway, we're glad you're here.;)
As for the center support - It's probably a good idea, but I know of a couple of cars (a T-bucket and a C-Cab) that have been on the road since the late '70s with the Hurst style front mounts and tailshaft mounts on the trannys with no problems...:3dSMILE:
Don, you are the man,and you and your sons are absolutely brilliant in what you build but also in your manner, and that sir shows through your posts as to the awesome personality you three have .
Thanks, Jim and Whip, but when I screw up I don't mess around, I do it right. :o Jim, I didn't get your email, but thanks for the thought.
Dan just got home from work and I talked with him about the center mount, and he agrees it would be easy to fab up one to bolt onto either side of that 3/4 inch thick plate. We are going to look at it tonight, when we go to feed the strays.
Don
Nice to see you back .i get that way at times to don .lucky i do not have a cat like you do i would of sat in my chair stroking the fur on the cat backwards talking to myself ....well i do that anyways.... parts are on there way let me know when you see them should be two days
Yeah, there must have been a full moon, or something.:o We'll look for the parts. :) Glad the 454 was good.
Don
well it should work my helper was turning it poping out the pistons and it was squeaking at him ...she was in need of a rebuild .. still a good start there. so i am good with it .your P.M is full don .i will send the out the balance in the next day or two .THANKS DON :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Itoldyouso
Hey Pat letz steel Don's thread for awhile, How is your back (burn) now? Is it at the stage where you can sleep on your back comfortably ? Sorry Don for side tracking your thread but I have been meaning to ask Pat now for awhile and keep forgetting, must be catching mums disease eh.
Go ahead, Whip, hijack it all you want. God knows I haven't been doing so great with it lately. :o:LOL:
Pat, I couldn't figure out how to clean out my PM's with the new format, but I just got it done.........sorry.
Don
well i will tell you i do not like to talk much about it but you wanted to know so hang on :) i was sleeping on it all the time it was burnt . it is to the point now were its just red but healed up . feels like i have tape on my back and can not be in the sun much . not much at all to bitch about at all .i have other things that let me know i not dead:3dSMILE: i think about how i could of burnt up this may sound weak in the head. i think about it as there was a 5 gallon pail with one gallon of parts cleaner in it not far from me if someone was in the shop they may of threw it on my back thinking i was water . how are you doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiplash23T
Still a good little read.I have often wondered how those mounts would go,being that far apart..but I wont say any more bout that..I think you need to jump on big silver bird,and come down to New Zealand for a few weeks,and freeze ya arse off with us penguins..:D:D Exchange rate isnt too bad,,has been better..:LOL:Your sons can feed the strays...Sounds like you need a break..
Glad you are "back", Don. I figured you would be and that you just had had a bad day - and none of us have added patience to our virtues as we get a bit longer of tooth. That's one of the reasons I send my wife out to do battle on occasion - she's the trained professional mediator in the family.
NOW - on with the build:D
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Originally Posted by IC2
Good to hear your doing good old chap, To cheer you up heres a pic of a nice workshop :LOL::LOL::LOL:
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Originally Posted by Itoldyouso
I'm glad you guys are a forgiving lot. :) Thanks for that.
Steve, you have GOT to start paying your shop help more money. The poor girl can't even afford a proper uniform, and has to ride a bike to work ! :eek: Uh, second thought, start paying her less ! :cool::LOL:
Last night Dan and I went to the shop and looked over the center mount situation. After bolting everything up we found two tapped holes that Bendtsens put in the plate that must be there for the express purpose of bolting on some mounts there. We can find no other reason for them. That is good, so all we have to do is fab up two small Hurst type side mounts that bolt on there and extend out to the frame rails on either side. We can use a second set of earlly Ford bisquit mounts, and in essence the motor will be hung in a cradle of sorts, and the transmission center mount will be just icing on the cake and there to support only the transmission.
What we will end up with will be kinda like a front engine and mid engine plate setup, except it will have rubber bisquits on all four corners. Dan doesn't like just those two holes in the adapter plate holding all the stress, so he is convinced we need to tap one more hole into the plate where I have the little red dot in the picture below. I think two holes are plenty, but overkill never hurts.
We put the torque convertor on last night and bolted the transmission back on to make sure any mount we make won't interfere with anything, but there is plenty of clearance at those two spots. That will be our project Friday, and maybe making the tranny crossmember too. What is not shown in the picture below is the cast aluminum starter switchover housing that bolts up tight there and encloses everything. It also gives some strength to the bottom of the adapter. The original one was cast iron, but I have an aluminum aftermarket one that moves the starter to the right side for steering box clearance.
Don
Don it looking good. I put some center mounts on mine, I thought the TH350 bell housing was kinda thin. But I did have a 55 Chevy about 35 years ago with a 396 and muncie, aluminum bell housing and no center mounts. Drove the mess outa it and never a problem. Of course young and dumb sometimes you get away with something and didn't even know it.....:D The way I drive now, that center mount will do nothing except give me some peace of mind.
I had to go back and look at this again, to see what Don was talking about her? shop uniform. I didn't notice the lass in the pic, I guess I was too busy looking at that nice wide bike tire..................:DQuote:
Originally Posted by roadster32
Didn't notice the lass in the pic??!!!:eek::eek: Are you nearsighted? How old ARE you? Wait.., you're not one of them "funny boys" are you?;):3dSMILE:
**)I had to go back a second time to look at the car in the pic,,the third time to check out how clean the floor was,,the fourth time to ..ahh,forget it...:rolleyes:**)Quote:
Originally Posted by dlotraf33
What car?? Floor??? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/s...angelic008.gif
Yep, the ladies are right.........we are a bunch of pigs, aren't we? :LOL::LOL: Post up a pretty girl half clothed and we all start oinking. :LOL:
I took a couple of pictures tonight of the area where we are going to put the center mounts. Lots of room there, and it will be hidden when the body is on.
Ya know, I'm a little disappointed in you guys. I thought you would have mentioned to me the need to add some center support to this setup. Instead I had to think it up all on my own ! :eek: (I better quit while I'm ahead. :o)
Don
We can all tell that she is an English lass as she has the same sun tan as Steve. He must of been visiting somebody else's workshop though because I have studied that picture for awhile now and can't see any stainless anywhere.:cool:
Sure Whip, you were REALLY looking for stainless in there. :LOL: You even knew the shade of her skin ! :LOL:
Don
What stainless?:eek::eek::3dSMILE::D I respect a good shop helper!:)
Just a thought Don but do you have the side mounts on the bellhousing of the Olds, you could use them and not need a rear mount at all, In the Olds car they had one mount up front and 2 at the bellhousing either side.
I did consider doing my 32 this way but it would of interfered with the exhaust.
Yup,you are right..I went back for another look...and I couldnt see any stainless either...:rolleyes::rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiplash23T
Steve, when you bolt on the Bendtsens adapter it replaces the spot where the original mounts went, so we will need to make up something similar, but off of that plate. We could have maybe adapted the original Olds rubber mounts, but they sit down pretty low on the bellhousing. I thught of not needing anything at all on the tailshaft of the TH350, but it would leave the entire transmission hanging in space by just the 6 bellhousing bolts. That seems kind of risky, don't you think?
Don
Don I think you should also have a mount at the rear of the trans. Thats quit a bit of weight there. That aluminum housing breaks easy when put in a bind.
In a stock Olds it hangs off the back and the bell housing is aluminium Don.
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Originally Posted by Itoldyouso
Maybe, Steve, but in the setup I had the mount went to a cast in pad on the transmission, and all that went away when I used the Bendtsens adapter. See picture below of where the mounts went originally.
Don
Ah, I see what you mean Don.
A few nights ago we cut out the rear mounts that will bolt to the Bendtsens adapter plate. Last night I went to the shop and drilled three holes in each one and tapped a 7/16 hole into the adapter to match the two per side that were already there. I thought the holes would be tough to tap because the adapter place is 3/4 inch thick steel, but it really went very easy.
Tonight Dan and I went over and he welded the gusset onto each rear side plate, and we got them mounted on the engine. We also got the mounts welded to the frame, and a simple early Ford bisquit will go between the two parts. I'm really glad you guys talked me into building a center support for the engine, I can see already how much it is going to take the load off of the front mounts and the transmission mount.
Here are a couple pictures from tonight. I don't have one of the frame portion welded on, as we were tired and just wanted to leave.
Don
Wow! Those are beautiful, Don. It's almost a shame they'll be hidden when the car is finished.:rolleyes: And 3 grade-8 bolts in each one; you could lift the whole car with just one of those mounts.:3dSMILE: You'll never have to worry about those losing their integrity. If you still put the chain on the left side of the engine, it will just be for looks because that engine ain't goin' nowhere now!:D
I have a question about the adapter: is there a spacer that goes between the flex plate and crank, a spacer between the flex plate and torque converter, or a special torque converter?? I guess, more correctly, what takes up the extra space created by the adapter?:confused: