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Just catching some of the practice time for the Bud Shootout...the cars are flying and the new track surface looks really great!!!!! Hard to believe the original track held up so well since 1959, doubt the new blacktop will make it that long...
Man, 203 mph with a restrictor plate!!!! Awesome!
Dave, I don't believe the track surface was the original laid down when the Speedway was built in '58 (the first race was in '59). I'm almost certain the track was repaved back in the '70s. This is the 2nd repaving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
Mike
yep 78 was the last time. wish I could go there this year but not in my buget:LOL: If you do a search you'll find pictures of how it was done Quit a project.
I am having a hard time getting ready for daytona. Not sure what it is outside of don't care much for the bull that goes behind the scenes but it is in every sport. I think my biggest problem is Mark Martin driving for Hendrick. I have not been able to get over that one. Will see what happens when I watch tomorrow night.
i am not doing the racing money game anymore. tired of the elitist attitude that was once never there. just plain tired of it. sold almost all of my racing garbage, man it sure cleans the storage unit up nice.
Not really a complete repave, mostly a shave of the bumps and added an additional 2" to the surfaceQuote:
Originally Posted by Mike52
Anyway, tonight's the Bud Shootout.... Speeds are already a bit over 203, probably faster once the guys get the new traction and surface dialed in a bit more. All money, no points, for sure gonna be a wild one!!!!
Yepper-I got it on Fox TV right now.
The 200mph speeds are cool,honestly,I don't care to see a race of pushers for the whole race through.
Interesting watching the pairings. Very different than in recent years. Some work from time to time, others not so much. The two Childress cars have the most consistency staying to the front, and look to be working well together, the most disciplined........for now anyway.
The two guys who looked like they danced with the most different partners, and kept, or got, to the front are Earnhardt and Ky Busch (where's my mr. yuck sticker?:LOL:). THAT could get interesting.
Very interesting race, most of the racers said they were having fun. I'm not so sure I like the two car packs, I commented to the wife how all the two car pairings reminded me of love bugs hooked together :LOL: . I'm sure the 500 will be more exciting with all 43 cars in the mix, should be another great race. With the over 200mph speeds, I wouldn't be surprised if Nascar changes the size of the restricter plates before the Duels on Thursday. Anyone care to pick the 500 winner?
Mike
If they are racing in those pairings,I would rather see NASCAR remove the restricter plates and let them race normally.
:CRY::CRY::CRY:Missed it...Got my days mixed up,and we werent here anyway...baa humbug..Might catch some highlights in the morning..:(
Denny Hamlin, unless NASCAR makes a change specifically directed at TRD to try to box them out again ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike52
Interesting - but not really sure that it was a race except the last few hundred yards when it became a 4 car drag race. The ARCA race earlier on Speed was really a better 'race'.
Then with Derrike Cope, Regan Smith and Kevin Conway running interference!!!
It has to get better or NA$CAR will be losing even lots more fan base.
.. with chevy winning most every race they lost me a long time ago .. i do notice that fans stay away by the thousands lately ..Quote:
Originally Posted by IC2
If I remember it right,NASCAR limited the cars because they didn't want the cars to get to that 200mph level.I am guessing that,as in all motor sports,insurance companies play a heavy hand on what is or isn't allowed.This pairing tactic I watched last night I think ruined the race.It isn't that it doesn't take a very high skill level that I would in my wildness dreams driving would never be able to do.Just seems to me the race teams have found a very boring to watch race way around the limits of the cars rules in restrictor plate racing at the cost of a normal drafting and passing NASCAR thrilling race.I do hope NASCAR gets a fix on this before the 500.If it is the same......I think I will just change the channel on TV.
It seems that the new track surface at Daytona has the cars stuck so tight that they are really not having to be as concerned with handling unless their drafting partner crosses them up. There are also some push among the teams for the yellow line rule to be rescinded for the final lap, allowing four wide racing after the white flag. I agree, it would still be a very boring afternoon with one frantic lap of racing at the end.
Interesting! They set a record for the most number of lead changes and almost broke the record for the fastest shootout ever.. Now THAT IS racing!Quote:
Originally Posted by 1gary
And it is after all NASCAR... Where we all know if it ain't a chevy, you chances are slim to none! **):D:):LOL:
Amazing what the crew chiefs and crews can do with the constraints NASCAR places on them...Restirictor plates are smaller (again) and still everybody who is anybody was turning 200+ laps!!! By themselves, the cars will run high 180's but paired up they're instantly at 200!!
Bump drafting and 3 or 4 wide in the turns is good racing IMO!!!! These are some of the best racers in the world, maybe they're just so good they make it look too easy and some would construe this as a boring race???? First rule to remember in any race is that before you can finish first you must first finish!!! Running that close at those speeds has got to be the most mentally and physically draining activities in any sport!!!! I've got to wonder what they would be running with no restrictor plates, 240 or 250 mph +??
Then on the horizon for 2012 fuel injection is coming... Maybe it will be like the restrictor plates are now and you'll be given your ECM when you show up at the track?? Maybe for the first year the NASCAR tech guys will be able to slow the cars down a bit, but I'm sure given half a season or so the crew chiefs and engineers will again start showing a steady increase in speed.
Maybe paired up racing on the superspeedways isn't "exciting" for all the fans, guess I just sit back and marvel at the adjustments the crews and drivers continuously make to keep their cars up front. Strategy is going to become an even bigger factor at Daytona and Talladega then it has been before. Getting your car paired up with the right guy at the right time is probaly what will win the race.....sounds easy except for the other 42 drivers thinking the same thing!!!
Anyway, this week is for sure going to be a crazy one at Daytona!
Someone on one of the Speed channel shows this evening said that Nascar should allow 2 cars into Victory Lane after the 500 because it's going to be one pushing the other across the finish line.:LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
Mike
Sounds like NASCAR tech might be implementing a change in the cooling systems that would cause the 2nd car to overheat sooner, thus ending the 2 car deal. Certainly a thankless job trying to keep the racing good and the cars equal, no matter what you do half the people hate it.
Just wonder if anyone can step up and at least make life tough for the Hendrick's teams, them guys are phenomenal!!!! When you're racing with the best of the best in both crews and driver's you gotta real have a crew put together to be that dominant!!!!
And to see them turning 9700 : 9800 RPM !!! Remember "back in the day" when turning a small block in excess of 8 grand was suicide!:LOL::LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
The Bud Shootout is a different animal than the 500, but those boys looked like they were playing pretty nice most of the race. The incidents with Martin/Busch and Edwards/Regan didn't appear to be wholely aggression caused (though Edwards sort of admitted he coulda/shoulda backed out).
I just hope the 500 doesn't turn out to be 499 miles of "who's lucky enough to not get caught up....." and coming out of turn 4 at the end will be the only 4 (or some small number) guys left running. Restrictor plate races are often about strategy and "avoiding the big one", but this just seemed different.
And that is the box that was built! Plate racing "equalizes" everyone / everything.. (supposedly):LOL: , for years the drivers have been begging for a way to break out and get away from each other. How can you do that when you're all equal?**), I think this "compromise" that Nascar has come up with for now is a good balance. I HATE plate racing!! It isn't "racing" at all in a strict sense but, it's where we ended up in all this evolution for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter
I really think they should give them the narrowest tire and it'll slow'em down and we'll see who the real drivers are! Someone like Kyle Busch I'd bet will just wear'em out quickly. A driver with experience will know how to conserve what he has!
I guess this is why they call it bench racing huh? :LOL::LOL:**)**)
What I heard is that if they pulled the plates they would be racing at about 210mph, because the cars would be breaking loose and handling would become more critical. Of course the drafting and slingshot passes would still be a big part, but apparently going around in pairs would be lots harder at 210 than it is now, even with the super sticky surface. The big issue is spectator safety and the potential for cars to go airborn, so that's not going to happen anytime soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
One way to do the EFI would be to have a common ECM port for a fuel limiter PROM chip, and NASCAR will issue the chips for qualifying and race day. What you do with that amount of fuel would be up to the tuners, but everyone gets the same chip when they arrive at the track. Just a thought.
Kyle Busch----biggest improvement in him comes from him owning truck team---now he is more aware of what causes what $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Supposedly is right. Talent does still play a roll. But this need to be glued nose to tail to do any passing just doesn't work for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by 34_40
Love him or hate him, THIS has got to be THE BEST restrictor plate finish of them all. I don't see it happening with this "mateing" car scenario. Like one of the announcers said at the two lap to go point...."How did he do that!"
Same here! Get rid of the spoilers and let'em race! No downforce = lower speeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter
Re; # 3, didn't care for his "style" of driving nor the favoritism given by Nascar.
Yeah, you've got some company on that, including some of the guys on this thread. But from 17th to winning in 6 laps on restrictor plates without wrecking anyone? I think the number of his competitors who pulled up along side to wave acknowledgment on cool down shows how the guys who know what he acommplished there felt.........probably would have been more if some of them hadn't wrecked in the final sprint.Quote:
Originally Posted by 34_40
A decade after he dies he's still in the top ten for trash and trinket sales, and truth be told, #1 in sales, his kid, owes a lot of what he earns to dad's legacy. Just sayin'. With NASCAR popularity tailing off the last few years they might need another guy like that. As much as I dislike Ky Busch, he's got the talent/potential once he finally pulls his head out of his butt. Best thing that ever happened to him was to get knocked down by Hendrick and picked up by Joe Gibbs..............best mentor a young jerk could have. As Jerry said, he's learning more about what it takes to make the whole thing work, he's maturing with age (he handled the thing with Martin much better than I had expected), and if he learns to earn rather than taunt/demand respect he could have the whole package. Time will tell.
All very true! I don't disagree with any of your points! I don't think the Kyle/Martin crash mattered much as it wasn't for points. And it didn't look like Martin was bangin' on him! It just happened! Dirty track? Bad air? We may never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter
I thought it was an exciting race to watch, very different! Wasn't sure at first if this deal was going to work but, it's only one track. And I love the lead changes a lot more than single file for 498 miles!:)
Reading jayski on line, most of the race reporters feel about what I do - it's fast, but it ain't racin' with a bunch of two car clumps for all but the last 1000 feet. Yep, I'll be watching the 500 as well as the two qualifiers, but will be waiting for the 'short track season' where the drivers/ teams can show what they are really made of.
http://www.jayski.com/cupnews.htm
I was very disappointed with the "two car pairings" racing in the shootout. That isn't what I consider as racing. If that is what NASCAR is selling to the viewer for their Super Bowl of racing, they are in trouble in my opinion. This style of racing will take out the majority of the field with major wrecks, beyond what the restrictor plates cause. Not what I want to see. Hopefully the fuel injection will give NASCAR better ways to control speeds and still give drivers a more responsive engine to race with. What wide open throttle racing where drivers can't even lift for fear of losing six car lengths if they do and risk wrecking everyone behind them creates is bad enough. Now add another cars front bumper stuck to their rear bumper all the way around the race track lap after lap. I just can't see that as racing! Those teams best be ready to load up some scrap metal. We'll see come Sunday.
I can't see what the difference is! Beforethey were stuck in a 2 lane by 20 something line of cars with no confidence to jump out of line and at least now they can pair up and go to the front! Sometimes as many as 4 wide! Now THAT is racing!!! Fuel injection will just be another form of restrictor plate! They can either control air intake (restrictor plate) or control fuel flow volume (fuel injection).Quote:
Originally Posted by deuce4papa
I still say toss off the spoilers, give'em skinny tires and let's race! This ain't F-1 !!!:whacked:
I can! Instead of two rows of cars wrecking, there will be four rows wrecking.:LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by 34_40
Same deal IMHO ! THE BIG ONE! :CRY:Quote:
Originally Posted by deuce4papa
Watching the trucks practice, they're up to 192 or 3 in the draft and down about 10 mph from that by themselves... Good blacktop job on the track!!!! The twins should be good races tomorrow, then truck qualifying afterwards with 43 trucks going for 36 starting spots....hmmm, might be wild!
was just reading where dale jr. is now at the back of the pack instead of pole. wrecked his car during pratice and now has to use a back up car.
A rookie who turned 20 yesterday driving a car for the Wood Brothers goes to Victory Lane..... Who'd a thunk it?????
Pretty cool indeed.
Trevor seems like a great young man,Congrats to Him and the Wood Bros!Seeing the 21 car with the history and legends in racing behind it come home a winner after such a long dry spell :3dSMILE:Don't think you could ask for a better finish.