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I do have two comments.
When I was a young pup, my dad who was an electrician ended up changing unions. He and his boss went from top seniority to bottom in one day. They needed to look out for the good of the longer term, but the short term sure hurt. Dad worked just enough (1 day in two weeks back then) to not qualify for unemployment. Mom tried to get food stamps or any other type of program to feed young growing and hungry children, but could not get on any program. None were available. It was tough times. We learned to do without, conserve, and thrive on what we grew in the land. I remember these times well and maybe they helped form me to be a better person. nahh.

My second thought was on the more humorous side.... Gee... at least someone can purchase the lobsters and the porterhouses in the market. I sure can't.

jerome

Im happy my great state finally passed a bill requiring all welfare users to pay for and pass a drug test before being issued any benefits. I sure hope it cleans the system up some! Wic is a way better program by making the user only buy healthy products instead of just giving free money.

Dave---after your comment about wisconsin----I think you better go back and review the facts --this store was in Mi not Wi---

Yup, Mi, not Wisconsin. Just read the Menominee part.

The problem as I see it is that there are people voting who have no idea how the country is supposed to work, how the original framers set it up to work. You should have to pass an extensive test before being allowed to vote and be required to explain how your vote would help the public good. We're putting dummies on the street with these programs such as No Child Left Behind who neither understand nor appreciate how the system could be improved. It's all part of the plan by big money to dumb down the electorate so they won't make waves.

Big Government will get bigger and bigger until it capsizes itself. There will come a day when the number of people sucking from the public trough will exceed the number of people filling the public trough.

Keep your powder dry.

Originally Posted by techinspector1

The problem as I see it is that there are people voting who have no idea how the country is supposed to work, how the original framers set it up to work. You should have to pass an extensive test before being allowed to vote and be required to explain how your vote would help the public good. We're putting dummies on the street with these programs such as No Child Left Behind who neither understand nor appreciate how the system could be improved. It's all part of the plan by big money to dumb down the electorate so they won't make waves.

Big Government will get bigger and bigger until it capsizes itself. There will come a day when the number of people sucking from the public trough will exceed the number of people filling the public trough.

Keep your powder dry.

That day is not far off

In George Washington's time, you had to be a land owner before you could vote. I think re-instating that little formality would be a great idea. You'd have to be an American land owner though otherwise we'd all be speaking Chinese.

Originally Posted by pro70z28

I'll probably get flamed for this, but I don't think any able bodied person should get food stamps. Stamps should be reserved only for those unable to do physical work. All others should work for what they get. It could be neighborhood cleanup or any number of jobs that would improve the community. They might not be very fun jobs, but wouldn't that be incentive to get out & find a better job?
The current welfare system is breeding a culture of entitlement. Not only the people that are actually on welfare but also those looking at the welfare system and saying to themselves, Why should I work so hard while "they" (welfare recipients) are getting something for nothing? Kind of brings society as a whole down a notch.
When I was a kid I was taught, work hard, be honest & treat others as you would have them treat you. It seems these days it's How little can I do to get by and who, or what system, can I take advantage of to make my life easier.

I absolutely don't think we should let ANYONE go hungry, that's not my point. But, I don't think the current system is helping people improve themselves. It's rewarding people for doing nothing. That's a drain on society in the form of taxes, and it's a disservice to the recipients as it rewards them for being less than they could be.

Climbing down now & getting back to work.

I'm with you. To get state assistance there should be a work for food program. Even most of the women would qualify. There are plenty of state owned buildings in just about every town. Open up some of that property, make a daycare for the women with children. Have a rotating daycare work schedule. Some of the women work cleaning state properties inside and out and rotate with some in the daycare as babysitters couple days a week. Pass mandatory drug testing, Work a minumum number of hours weekly...etc,etc. I never got anything for free, even getting screwed from Social Security now that I'm old enough. The people now a days just don't get it!

Originally Posted by techinspector1

The problem as I see it is that there are people voting who have no idea how the country is supposed to work, how the original framers set it up to work. You should have to pass an extensive test before being allowed to vote and be required to explain how your vote would help the public good. We're putting dummies on the street with these programs such as No Child Left Behind who neither understand nor appreciate how the system could be improved. It's all part of the plan by big money to dumb down the electorate so they won't make waves.

Big Government will get bigger and bigger until it capsizes itself. There will come a day when the number of people sucking from the public trough will exceed the number of people filling the public trough.

Keep your powder dry.

Richard,
I appreciate your perspective, and I know it comes with some level of experience. If you look at the percentage of the population in Maricopa County (Phoenix and surrounding areas) that derive their monthly income from some form of government (city/muni, county, or federal) it is a surprising number that is closer to 50% than it is to 25% - already approaching your feeding trough analogy. I don't know the number today, but about eight years back it was 38% and rising, as I recall.

Roger, nationally it's 48% for the US.

Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter

Roger, nationally it's 48% for the US.

Wow, I had no idea it was that high nationally! My 38% was from memory - I just remember being very surprised with the number of people on the city dole in Casa Grande, and the very, very cumbersome and expensive process for building permits.

The Supreme Court already struck down property ownership and passing a test as a right to vote better then 40 years ago... would take a constitutional amendment to change that, and that sure as heck will never happen the way the country is now!!!!

A strange concept, but maybe we should start voting in to office people with common sense that are not tilted radically to one side or the other. All the different minorities and groups demand that a politician "sell out" to them before he can even get elected, then once in office his vote is bought and paid for by special interest group with the most power, influence, and money.... Seems our senators and representatives no longer give a hoot about the voters who put them there and are only looking out for what's best for them and the groups they now represent.

No idea what the answer is, but "business and politics as usual" just isn't going to resolve the issues that they have created. Governement is beyond too big, it's become like a multi-headed monster, when you cut one head off two more grow back and look for more of our individual rights and choices to take away!!!!! Where in the heck in the constitution does it say that some self-appointed group of do-gooders in DC have the right to decide what's best for me??? The rights we were all guaranteed are slowly but methodically being taken away from us. Then, we are all convinced to buy into the media frenzy of taking sides and spend our time blaming the "other guys" for all the problems in this country and absolutely nothing gets done in Washington to remedy the problems we face!!!

As a start, my idea would be to bring ALL OUR TROOPS home, put them to work defending our own borders, and quit fighting wars, wasting lives and trillions of dollars annually trying to help out countries that don't want us there or want our help.

Whenever you rob Peter to pay Paul, you will always get Paul's support. Welfare in theory is good. Welfare in actual practice is a method of buying votes and gaining influence......just like amnesty for the illegals, just like free health care, just like all the give aways.

Originally Posted by rspears

Wow, I had no idea it was that high nationally! My 38% was from memory - I just remember being very surprised with the number of people on the city dole in Casa Grande, and the very, very cumbersome and expensive process for building permits.

For the doubters (not meaning you Roger) it looks like my memory was a little off........it's closer to 45%..............Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements - WSJ.com

IF we have food assistance, medical assistance, unemployment assistance, government help with buses, job training assistance, housing allowances, paid school lunches, help with utility bills, etc WHERE THE HELL IS THE GOVERNMENT PLAN TO HELP WITH GASOLINE, CELL PHONES, IPODS, AND CLOTHING???? The pols are missing out here.....buy some votes with free designer jeans. Give 'em the latest IPOD....courtesy of Uncle Sam. This would help the younger people get onto the Government teats and trap them into a life long dependency on the welfare state. Younger folks dont give a damn about health care and jobs......give 'em what they want.......