This Is Not A CraigsList Notice

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Originally Posted by Matt167

16 Trillion in debt, the goverment is bankrupt, if a company goes bankrupt ( files chapter 11 ), they downsize and restructure.

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Downsizing is a concept that politicians won't talk about. Obama should have instituted a hiring freeze on all federal government positions as soon as he sat down in the Oval Office for the first time. With a freeze on, natural attrition would begin thinning the bloated ranks of federal employees, which has grown by 3.5% since January 2008. Please don't argue with the figure presented here, I'm trying to make the point that federal positions should have thinned since January 2008, not fattened. If the number grew by 1/10th of 1%, it would still be too many. Entire Departments need to be disbanded. I understand that even doing away with the entire federal workforce wouldn't save the country, but shouldn't we at least make an effort?

I do remember that upon entering office, Obama began doing away with social programs that were pushing the debt up. I thought to myself, hey, maybe this guy will be ok. Then, as quickly as he began, he stopped and I have not heard another word about downsizing government-funded programs.

As I have said before on political threads such as this one, we're done. Keeping to the present, unsustainable course and speed, the good ship USA will hit an iceberg and sink and there's just no other way to see it. If history repeats, we will then suffer a revolution and re-form into a dictatorship.

As my late, great best friend used to say, "Put your money in powder and lead".

this all that matters to me. the worst 30 months in 25 years.

[QUOTE=1gary;475293] The trailers where never meant to be lived in full-time in the first place so once the people where evicted they where in such poor condition had to be destroyed. I know about that from a huge RV site I am apart of where some where bought and people telling us how bad they where.

Maybe they weren't intended to be permanent residences but they weren't intended to be travel trailers either. They are presentable enough, though.

I'd love to have one parked beside a moderately remote lake where my grandson and I could wet an occasional fish hook!

Jim

Here's George's payback for funding Obama....

"Obama has recently promised 10 billion of our tax dollars to Brazil , in order to give them a leg-up in expanding their offshore oil fields. Obama's largesse towards Brazil came shortly after his political financial backer, George Soros, invested heavily in Brazilian oil (Petrobras)."
Steve Croft
60 Minutes

"tax dollars", that's your money and my money indirectly funneled to the very person who intends to kill these United States of America. Do some reading on George Soros if you want to understand what's going on. He's the puppeteer.

no truer words ..........................

From time to time those of us who value a free market economy as opposed to the central command economies favored by our leftist opponents have to battle the frequently repeated propaganda that misinforms. Our difficulty, besides having to overcome the mass media disinformation, and political contortions, is that persuadable fellow citizens don't often have a real time frame of reference they can recall.

A case in point is the notion that "...jobs are exported because of corporate greed..." or some such drivel. My contention is that in nearly every case it's more a matter of survival than greed. Those who choose not to learn to understand what and why a free market consists of and benefits all, still won't get it (see quotation above about facts vs beliefs). Here's an article by a former DEMOCRAT Senator who left that job because he was frustrated as much by his own party as his opponents: Evan Bayh: ObamaCare's Tax Raid on Medical Devices - WSJ.com

He names just a few incidents of many that are occurring in real time, and in just one industry. These incidents are just small things that generally go unnoticed until they happen over time and accumulate into a seeming unrelated statistic about jobs lost and the shrinkage of tax revenue, middle class incomes, GDP, and many more data sets. A nation doesn't fail in a light switch moment, nor by the outcomes of just one decision or one term of office. It's an accumulation of small, seemingly innocuous decisions and actions that pile one upon another until they overwhelm "the system". (note, that famous book known as "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire" is HUGE for a reason) Like in the old saying, "the straw that broke the camel's back", seemingly it was that last straw that caused the failure............but in reality, ALL of the straws contributed their small piece.

The whole “shipping good jobs overseas…” argument is really wearing thin. I concur with Bob that such moves are usually survival rather than greed.

On a related topic, people rarely talk about the number of “overseas” jobs that have come to the United States. The second generation (2007 onward) Tacoma Tundra was initially assembled at two different United States locations; the original plant was in Princeton, Indiana until such time as a new, very modern plant was built in San Antonio, Texas. Toyota also brought all of their key Tundra suppliers to Texas and had them build on the same site to mitigate the logistical issues. In addition, Toyota built a $9 million dollar health care facility to serve workers and their dependents. To date, Toyota has invested $2.1 billion (yes – billion with a “B”) in this plant.

In 2011, there were 82,908 Tundra and 110,705 Tacoma truck built at this plant. Average salary for “production Team” is $54K plus benefits per year. Not bad in San Antonio.

Granted, the net profit goes back to the “land of the rising sun”, but the 2,300 non-union people (Toyota shuttered it’s only union plant in San Francisco in 2009) who work for Toyota are probably okay with that.

The near-by Arlington Texas GM SUV plant which employs approximately 2,400 workers, who are UAW Local 276 members, cannot compete with Toyota because on average, GM costs are a staggering $81.18 an hour in wages and benefits to their hourly workers, and to cover pension and retiree medical costs. At that rate, labor costs per vehicle at Arlington are about $1,800

Toyota’s non-union labor has a total hourly cost, with benefits, of about $35-40 an hour -- less than half of GM's rates – primarily because the Toyota plant won't have any direct retiree costs for years so even if Toyota only matches the Arlington GM plant in productivity, there is a labor cost advantage of about $1,000 per vehicle. I see a lot of Tundras in my neck of the woods and they seem to be a pretty solid rig – and they’re built with American labor in San Antonio, Texas.

There are similar stories with Nissan, Honda, BMW, etc… Maybe the Japanese (and Germans) should bellyache about their jobs going overseas??

Just saying

business is business . your pay the cost you get to be boss.

I saw this quote on another site and thought it was appropriate for this thread.

"I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you've earned, but not greed to want to take somebody else's money."
Thomas Sowell, Economist and Marine veteran

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Originally Posted by NTFDAY

I saw this quote on another site and thought it was appropriate for this thread.

"I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you've earned, but not greed to want to take somebody else's money."
Thomas Sowell, Economist and Marine veteran

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I like that.

In a similar vein; this was in our local paper the other day:

"1) You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2) What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3) The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4) You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

5) When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the 'other half' are going to take care of them, and when the 'other half' gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation."

Pretty much common sense really...nothing too hard to understand there.

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I believe it's all for naught. Mitt's 47% video seems to be ending his hopes before they start.

only a small percentage of the 47% will vote anyway . if obama is re elected you are going to see massive unemployment. remember ross pero and the sucking noise ? your going to see more outsourcing than ever.
there is only about 53% of the work force employed right now . cant go by unemployment numbers since people drop off after they run out of benefits or go on welfare. before 06 we had about 67% employed steady . once the dems took over it began to fall. after obama took over it fell off the cliff.

I read this a couple of times last night and again this morning.

United States Budget Dilemma.wmv - YouTube

I would like to hear comments and/or reactions from my friends who contribute to this thread.

Thanks,

Jim

Thanks for the vid. Many of us have been saying this for a long time. How many years do you remember that we've asked for a balanced budget? How many candidates do you remember that have been swept to the side into obscurity because no one wants to feel the pain to get this accomplished?

Yes. I am one of the digruntled, can barely bring myself to vote anymore for a candidate that is the lesser of a disagreeable set of choices. Even if I was to run for an office that I could be qualified for, no one would vote for me! No one wants to face this reality! But, it's coming. We'll be facing a depression like never seen before I fear.

This topic is nothing new, but no politician has the guts to get their party to see it through, who's going to support that? So, like Greece (and now France) we'll watch it happen to us, un-able to stop the dilemma if we don't face up to it.

And yes. Just my opinion. tyvm...

Has anyone other then me noticed that the 3 or 4 supporters of this president have been totally quite regarding this cover up of the US citizens that were murdered in recognition of 9-11.

They must think that these murders will be less people that need jobs. Thus will make the unemployed numbers go down. Adding to the myth that Goofy has created jobs for the people and unemployment is growing smaller... Think about it a few more car accidents, some Katrinas and his job creation record could be looking pretty good.


Hello !

i can tell you this much, i will be hunting and fishing more to fill the freezers this fall. will be putting up the large greenhouse also. if you do your farming at krogers your in trouble. when i was a kid every yard had a garden , everyone had chickens , many had milk cows . best go back to your roots my friends .

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Originally Posted by pepi

Has anyone other then me noticed that the 3 or 4 supporters of this president have been totally quite regarding this cover up of the US citizens that were murdered in recognition of 9-11.

They must think that these murders will be less people that need jobs. Thus will make the unemployed numbers go down. Adding to the myth that Goofy has created jobs for the people and unemployment is growing smaller... Think about it a few more car accidents, some Katrinas and his job creation record could be looking pretty good.


Hello !

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TOTTALLY UNCALLED FOR!! This thread started out as a disscussion about whats going on!! To accuse what people are thinking about the seriousness of killing people is wrong!! YOU NEED TO GROW UP!! Turn off the attitude button,put your computer muscles away!! Act like an adult SON!! Pete

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Originally Posted by prpmmp

TOTTALLY UNCALLED FOR!! This thread started out as a disscussion about whats going on!! To accuse what people are thinking about the seriousness of killing people is wrong!! YOU NEED TO GROW UP!! Turn off the attitude button,put your computer muscles away!! Act like an adult SON!! Pete

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I couldn't have said it better myself! Thank You Pete. That was totally callous and disgusting!

To be seen but not heard is golden when it comes to moderating. For me to have to deal with complaints taking me away from some very valuable time with my family, especially on a site where we are mostly adults is ridiculous.

You want to talk politics, this is the only thread

I've had to delete 5 posts and two new political threads that have spilled out from this one today, the bottom line that all of you know is that personal attacks will not be tolerated. Post a personal attack like those I removed today and you will be banned permanently.

:whacked: You do not want to see what happens when I get angry:whacked:




Enough said.

Somebody email me when this thread dies.... Now that it's gone from attacking the message to attacking the messenger it's killing the site. How many more people do we want to see leave or just quit posting on CHR because of the absurdity of some of the posts on this thread??? I'm outa here.

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Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Somebody email me when this thread dies.... Now that it's gone from attacking the message to attacking the messenger it's killing the site. How many more people do we want to see leave or just quit posting on CHR because of the absurdity of some of the posts on this thread??? I'm outa here.

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Sigh........This is the type of post we were afraid of when we left this thread open. People are passionate about their political views, eventually noses get bent out of joint.......

We will call this strike two for the thread. Strike three and it gets locked down without another chance for a political thread to ever show it's face on CHR ever again.


Bill S.

To make sure you understand " They must think" was directed at the government not members, however reading it I can see how you could got that impression.

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Originally Posted by pepi

To make sure you understand " They must think" was directed at the government not members, however reading it I can see how you could got that impression.

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Yes I took it the wrong way!! My apoligies!! Thanks for clearing that up!! Pete

Yeah it was pointed at the media and the constant story line changes coming out of DC. I understand why it had upset folks the way I worded it, car guy fuba...

The Video That Killed Obama's Re-Election
somewhat funny but true

Subject: Read and weep...PLEASE PASS ON



This should be on the front page of every newspaper.

A very interesting column.. COMPLETELY NEUTRAL
Be sure to Read the Poem at the end.

Charley Reese's final column for the Orlando Sentinel...
He has been a journalist for 49 years.
He is retiring and this is HIS LAST COLUMN.

Be sure to read the Tax List at the end.

This is about as clear and easy to understand as it can be. The article below is completely neutral,
neither anti-republican or democrat. Charlie Reese, a retired reporter for the Orlando Sentinel,
has hit the nail directly on the head, defining clearly who it is that in the final analysis
must assume responsibility for the judgments made that impact each one of us every day.
It's a short but good read. Worth the time. Worth remembering!

545 vs. 300,000,000 People
-By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The President does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? John Boehner. He is the leader of the majority party. He and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it's because they want them in Iraq and Afghanistan ...

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish;
to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators,
to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power.
Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like
"the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from
doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees...

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

What you do with this article now that you have read it... is up to you.
This might be funny if it weren't so true.
Be sure to read all the way to the end:

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table,
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for
peanuts anyway!

Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.

Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid...

Put these words
Upon his tomb,
'Taxes drove me
to my doom...'

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Sales Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax


STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was the most prosperous in the world.
We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What in the heck happened? Can you spell 'politicians?'

I hope this goes around THE USA at least 545 times!!! YOU can help it get there!!!

GO AHEAD. . . BE AN AMERICAN!!!

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Originally Posted by shine

remember ross perot and the sucking noise ?

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That GIANT suckin' sound......:LOL:

Lots of commentary and spin today about last night's debate, that actually resembled a real debate for a change. Not going to try to add to the scoring sheets that are everywhere. But one question does come to mind: I wonder how Jim Lehrer feels about being the latest in a long line of scape goats.....................

Interesting how the major media is saying the potus won the debate, and the internet says he may have lost the election.

i have said all along that what is important is jobs. obama thinks he can tax us out of this. romney knows that expanding the tax base will bring in more revenue . i absolutely loved the debate . it showed a candidate with a plan and a president without a clue. get federal government to hell out of the states business. same thing perry has told washington for 4 years.

Whats real interesting is Donald Trump is small business. Makes me feel kinda smaller

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i have said all along that what is important is jobs. obama thinks he can tax us out of this. romney knows that expanding the tax base will bring in more revenue . i absolutely loved the debate . it showed a candidate with a plan and a president without a clue. get federal government to hell out of the states business. same thing perry has told washington for 4 years.

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We've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating a very appropriate quote:

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We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
Winston Churchill

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got lucky filled up the gas tank yesterday at cosco 4.07 per today it jumped to 4.26 not bad .19 in one day news reports the price in no. cal. at 5.89 WHAT A GREAT COUNTRY WE LIVE IN .....ted

Mr. Romney handed Mr. Obama his head last night. Try as I might, I could see nothing from the President that encouraged me he had anything new. I enjoyed the debate – especially the times when Mr. Romney said something profound and Mr. Obama got that “I’ve really got gas…” look on his face and he had absolutely no comeback. For those who claim Mr. Romney has no plan they should have listened last night – he appeared to be poised, he was articulate and transparent. Mr. Obama appeared nervous, he stuttered and stammered, and continued to use the same rhetoric he’s been pushing for four years. To re-elect him would be akin to re-sailing the Titanic, ramming the iceberg at full speed ahead and expecting different results.

My two cents...
Glenn

some on the left are saying obama had a bad day :) some say he did good ??? the way i seen it MR Romney handed him his ass . they say the next debate there will be a New Obama ?? boy i am not sure about that . Romney was holding back the way i seen it . obama should call in sick for the next debate and have the empty chair fill in for him

The best TV show I have ever seen, was a real debate and the media had zero control. Romney came with facts, dignity and did not let his message get skewed. Says a lot when the guy on the defense ask to have the subject changed hope you caught that, priceless.

I'm jazzed!:D

another debate like that and obama will be voting for romney .

Listening to the Obamabots today makes me wish I'd bought stock in Koolaid a couple days ago..............:eek:

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Originally Posted by ted dehaan

got lucky filled up the gas tank yesterday at cosco 4.07 per today it jumped to 4.26 not bad .19 in one day news reports the price in no. cal. at 5.89 WHAT A GREAT COUNTRY WE LIVE IN .....ted

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Ain't it the truth? Here we are, sitting on more crude than the entire middle east has, and the lawmakers are sittin' on their hands. I'd like to wake up on Wednesday morning after the election to learn that all 435 of the nutballs have been replaced. Romney said last night that he would bring in the pipeline from Canada. Yeahhhhhhhhhh, buddy.

first year economics teaches you that a broader tax base will bring in more revenue than higher taxes. until the ratio of employed to population gets back to at least 65% or close to it we will continue to have these problems. true unemployment is around 11%+ right now and set to grow next year under obama.
higher taxes is simply redistribution of wealth by the fed. lower taxes puts the money into the economy most often by job creation , which increases revenue. corporations create more taxes through jobs than any tax rate you can impose on them . people seem to forget who does the hiring in this country. i've never been offered a job by a person on welfare .