pepi , dont feed the trolls . this is a fairly good discussion . i think it is important to get as much information in here as possible but some needs to be ignored .
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pepi , dont feed the trolls . this is a fairly good discussion . i think it is important to get as much information in here as possible but some needs to be ignored .
Shine-I respectfully disagree with you in that we still have a workable system and I don't think we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by shine
And gary, I respectfully disagree with you! The system works the same as it has for more than 200 years! It's flexible and malleable. If any part of it is broken, it's that far to few people get involved and pay real attention to the issues.
What's wrong today I feel is that far to many are self serving. What's in it for me? That mentality will doom us.
.... Have you noticed how "they" are all arguing who gets what for millions? What happened to the american who had to much pride to get supported by the government?
My feelings exactly. When I was a kid, it was shameful to have to be on unemployment and you got off it as soon as possible. You washed windows or picked up pop bottles to turn them in for deposit or whatever you could do to make a little money. There was no welfare or food stamps in those days either.Quote:
Originally Posted by 34_40
the last place i need information from is the comedy show. i watch none of that junk. i dont listen to Limbaugh , i dont pay any attention to hollywood . i take all this very seriously because i still have to work for a living. i know first hand what has happened to small business. i would love to put a couple of people to work but it is just a losing situation with the tax code and looming health care reforms. contrary to the media the economy is not growing. it is flat and will stay flat until after the election. then it will move. which direction depends on who is in office .
gary , i have no idea what your post means . it makes no sense what so ever .Quote:
Originally Posted by 1gary
Guys, I'll say it again, do not make your posts here personal or this thread (and your ability to post anything even remotely political) disappears forever.
Enough said, AGAIN!!!!!
That was unkind, and I'm quite certain shine does not feel that way.
Shine I mean our government is functional. These show and tell elections are to appease the masses.A insult to my intelligence's.God help me if I where to be able to cap the salaries of these beltway Washington haft wits. Want to see someone who has been in business??. Well if this bankrupt government was my business the first thing I would do would to cut those salaries in haft and some serious lay-offs. Now we would be on a serious road to recovery. But no one talks about that,do they??. How can we overlook the billions spend on that??. Cost benefit??. Yepper that one is certainly in the toilet. Do we still have a system in government that works??. No,no,I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by shine
We in NYS have paid tolls for the NYS Thruway for yrs and yrs. It is a bad joke on all of us. That was supposed to be a temporary toll yrs ago. Talk about paying for services??. Or talk about being raked over the coals??.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evolvo
Gary, I’m not trying to pick on you, just trying to understand what you are saying, maybe I’m not reading your posts correctly. Like Shine I really don’t understand.
In your last post you start out
“…….Shine I mean our government is functional……”
and end with
“……Do we still have a system in government that works??. No,no,I don't think so…..”
It's a little confusing,
That is what I mean.Our current government doesn't work.
What's new? Miami, Rickenbacker Causeway toll road, a roadtoo Key Biscayne has been doing the same for 40 YEARS. This just demonstrates that when you are told that a TAX is temporary, that statement should be a huge RED flag to the thinking person.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1gary
I give Atlanta congrats on this one, a month back lefty wanted a new tax to fix roads, add busses and a trolley. The helpful tax was going to be temporary.Old lefty was right there giving all the excuses promoting the increase. Forthe children, environment, old people, illegals, gays, you name it a new tax was needed.
Cheer Atlanta we defeated it soundly, went down big time. The lesson in some states people are able to see through the TAX scam. I just hope we will remember it the for the next TAX scam, and it is coming bet money on it.
In Chicago when they built the Skyway the toll was to be temp. but that was back 60 years ago and since it has increased 100x. yeah they'll give it back!!!!!
Last night, the Obama campaign blasted out another email claiming that Mitt Romney's tax plan would either require raising taxes on the middle class or blowing a hole in the deficit. "Even the studies that Romney has cited to claim his plan adds up still show he would need to raise middle-class taxes," said the Obama campaign press release. "In fact, Harvard economist Martin Feldstein and Princeton economist Harvey Rosen both concede that paying for Romney’s tax cuts would require large tax increases on families making between $100,000 and $200,000."
But that's not true. Princeton professor Harvey Rosen tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD in an email that the Obama campaign is misrepresenting his paper on Romney's tax plan:
I can’t tell exactly how the Obama campaign reached that characterization of my work. It might be that they assume that Governor Romney wants to keep the taxes from the Affordable Care Act in place, despite the fact that the Governor has called for its complete repeal. The main conclusion of my study is that under plausible assumptions, a proposal along the lines suggested by Governor Romney can both be revenue neutral and keep the net tax burden on taxpayers with incomes above $200,000 about the same. That is, an increase in the tax burden on lower and middle income individuals is not required in order to make the overall plan revenue neutral.
You can check the math that shows Romney's plan is mathematically possible here.
In the middle fifties the "DFW Turnpike" opened as a toll road between Fort Worth and Dallas. It is now part of I-30 and is now Known as Tom Landry Highway.
We were promised that when it was finished the toll requirement would be lifted and it would become a freeway.
You know what? IT DID!
It opened at midnight (I have forgotten the date). After having had a few beers a guy I worked with decided he was going to be the first person to drive on the turnpike. He was too late to be first but he picked up a ticket and set out toward Dallas anyway. After a few minutes he decided he didn't want to go to Dallas, so he drove across the median and headed west.
When he got to the toll booth on the Fort Worth end the attendant looked at him and looked at the ticket and called the police.
He wasn't the first to drive on the turnpike but he was the first person to get arrested on it.
I'm told the fines totaled up to a really impressive sum.
Jim
[QUOTE=pepi;476551]"I also do not want trickel down government.."
Here is a definition of trickle down government...
"Trickle-down economics" and "the trickle-down theory" are terms in United States politics to refer to the idea that tax breaks or other economic benefits provided by government to businesses and the wealthy will benefit poorer members of society by improving the economy as a whole.
And this is our President's position?
Like I mentioned before, we all need to pay attention to what we are voting for, not what we are voting against!
Had you read and/or comprehended the entire listing from Wikipedia that you clipped, you would have learned that the term "trickle down economics" is a derisive term created by the left...................so in that context, yes, that is what our President misrepresents as the position taken by his fiscal opposites.
Perhaps you haven't read all of the posts from the beginning, and I wouldn't blame you as it's a long thread, you would have seen the post where I have referenced Federal data that shows each time tax RATES have been reduced in any segment of our economy, actual REVENUES have increased. The only reason your side of the discussion has been able to demagogue that issue is that SPENDING has also increased with the increased income to the government, usually in excess of the revenue increase (with the exception of the last half of the last decade of the 20th century when the Gingrich led House of Reps forced a responsible budget on the government). Your fellow travelers on the left have chosen to ignore those factual data posted that proves the opposite of the outcomes claimed and continue with the party line from the left.............perhaps you will too.
As for the "Big Bird" cuts, again, you are parroting the leftist media and White House spin, which certainly is your choice and free speech right. However, something to consider that might save you some potential embarassment if you were to encounter a thoughtful person. We are spending 40% more than we take in as a government. If we taxed the entire income of those who earn over 1 million bucks a year, we still wouldn't cover the shortfall. Cuts in spending are necessary even if totally irresponsible taxing were to occur. To use your own example, if PBS is able to cover 85% (some insiders claim upwards of 92%) of it's own operating budget through licensing of Big Bird and other characters (which it does), as well as other donations from Corporations and individuals, along with othert sources of income, what better candidate would there be for cutting of funding that is entirely borrowed than one that "requires" so little public assistance. Surely an effective management team could find a way to cut 10% (choosing a middle figure) of operating costs in order to survive.....................private corporations are often forced by various government intrusions to do so, and manage to survive. The question could be asked, "How serious are you about lliving within a budget if you're unwilling to defund a small portion of such a nearly wholly self sufficient organization as PBS?"
True that was from Wikipedia, but it is how I remember the concept.
And the irony can't be ignored.
With regard to Big Bird, PBS will survive without the 15% that our great nation currently provides. Folks like me will just add a bit more to our donations, because it means that much to us. If we don't have the extra $$, maybe next year. But for MR to pinpoint on that particular issue really showed us where he intends to go.
Outside of currently living in the south and any tendencies that I may have inhabiting places of food and entertainment dives with parrots, I don't parrot my beliefs or statements, being from Oregon I am used to developing my own and never really paid much attention to others.
I realize that we all have a choice of least evil in this one, but at least I know where our President is coming from and where he is headed to. I cannot for the life of me see how having big money (don't forget that small business goes over $200,000) can help me have a better life as a taxpayer.
The other thing I forget sometimes is that the President does not run the country...
Once again this thread is a true representation of the basics of our country, thanks all!
You mean, like Waiting till Iran has the ability to nuke us before we do anything. How about the Small arms treaty Obama's just waiting to sign.. Or the fact that Obama's own wife said his " Home Country " was Kenya. He may have been born here, but America is not his home...
I can't say what I want to here, because of Bill's threat to kill the thread if it gets personal. Steam is coming out of my nostrils right now, but I'll keep quiet. Sorry Ted, I know you posted a "like" to what I had written, but I had to erase it to save the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Rod Surfer
I was hoping that I could kill that post before anyone read it, but you were too quick for me. And that post was not about race, it was about him having purple lips and being from Kenya. Both true no matter what you and the rest of your ilk say. This man was bought and paid for by George Soros to further the agenda of One World Government and he's doing a fine job at it. When the end finally comes, I'll be killed because I have run out of ammo. I hope you and the rest of those who voted for this man enjoy your serfdom. FREEDOM ISN'T FREE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evolvo
Okay, time to get my trouser legs wet again. Just as surfer did by ignoring the point about genuine revenue generation, as you have in the past, I will point out that you miss the real point about anger over Solyndra.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evolvo
What angers most is the crony relationship between the President and one of his wealthy contributors (actually more than one, as G. Kaiser is the lead dog of a team of wealthy contributors). The apparent quid pro quo of "I give you a bundle of campaign cash, and you repay me with a "loan" for a pixie dust project." This relationship is doubly troubling because of the arranged reversal of the normal proctice of having the Federal Govt in first position as receiver/beneficiary when a bankruptcy is settled. Kaiser and crew were assured some return while we taxpayers were shafted. History is full of innovations coming to market and being successful, nearly all of which were funded by private investment wherein those who contributed had a vested interest in minimizing their loses. Those with good intentions (being generous) throwing other peoples money at a wish and a dream (or was it "HOPE"?) aren't that committed to success of the endeavor. I'd love to hear a defense of those practices.................but as experience has shown us, there won't be a reply.
It does bring up a question though. If this White House thought it necessary to criticize Rick Wagoner, former GM CEO, for flying around in a corporate jet while the company under his leadership/management foundered, and that that "failure" in management was cause to fire him (never mind the facistic nature of Government dictating to a privately held company how it chooses to run itself) shouldn't we consider it consistent with this President's beliefs/actions to fire the CEO of our country who is manageing poorly and spending a LOT of time flying around the country in the world's most expensive corporate jet?
Tech, I really respect your views.
One thing I have been really wondering: as one whom is a lawful supporter of the second ammendment, with a modest investment in metal ( lead, brass, hardened steel ):
I have often considered the great liberty paradox.
Loss of life is the greatest forfeiture of liberty. The second being imprisonment. The third, perhaps forfeiture of physical asset.
So, at what point would I forfeit liberty for its protection?
I'm not tech, though I've known him for many years so I'll answer. Once you forfiet liberty you become a slave.
......Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
Patrick Henry
March 23, 1775
If I could give you ten “likes” I would, Tech! Dear God in heaven that we would once again have as public servants those like Patrick Henry who placed righteousness above re-election.Quote:
Originally Posted by techinspector1
I just returned from a week in Philadelphia (the birth place of this great nation we call “the United States of America”) and believe every person who lives within the boundaries of this country and enjoys the freedoms therein should be required to visit Independence Hall and acquaint themselves with the history that established America. There’s a story credited to Ben Franklin - as he emerged from Independence Hall at the close of the Constitutional Convention on September 18, 1787. A woman approached him and asked, “Well Doctor, what have we got a republic or a monarchy?” To which Franklin replied, “A republic, madam – if you can keep it.” Two hundred and twenty-five years later I am fearful that we have lost sight of the democratic republic carved out by the first true Americans. These were men who worked hard and expected no hand out from their new “government” rather; they painstakingly purposed to keep the government small and efficient.
For the most part, I believe we do not want our government to tell us what we can and cannot do. We want those we elect to represent who we are and bring our united voices to the forefront and act accordingly. We need to remember that politicians are a commodity and that if they do not perform; we have an obligation to replace them with those who do. I am sick to death of the two party system and the mindset that people have adopted that “all republicans are filthy rich evil people”, or “all democrats are liberal leeches”. We’re first and foremost Americans and unless we once again stand on the principles of right behavior and put aside our individual agendas (read “career politicians”), we will most certainly fall apart. If I could, I’d throw the whole lot of them and start from scratch. In the beginning, we had farmers and merchants – inventors and clerks – doctors and military officers – but the one thing we did not have or need among our founding fathers was career politicians. Too many of our elected officials begin their re-election campaigns the day they first take office and I for one, am tired of it.
I’m pleased to see the shift in the polls – but realize the only poll that counts is the one next month. I’m not too pleased with the current administration and certainly have not seen the “change I’d hoped for…” Mitt’s not perfect by any means, but his qualifications as a business person and a leader are light years ahead of the incumbent who believes printing more money to pay back the Chinese is fiscally prudent and apologizing to the terrorists is acceptable. I’m don’t really care if other countries like the United States of America – I would much rather have them respect and fear us as the leader of the free world.
My two cents…
I don't know about you Bob, but when this happens to me it's involuntary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter
Well Richard.............the standard reply to that would be......................that "depends".;)
It occurs to me now that that being my typical "whiz into the wind" reference, I may not have used it here before to be meaningful.:whacked:
With regards to big bird... if we have to choose between staying solvent financially or watching a childs program, is the bird REALLY that important???
REALLY?? :rolleyes:
There is a lot of Whizzing in the wind around here, but I'm (again) with glen CAN THE HOLE LOT OF THEM. and do it every four years. If they were to loose there big salaries,retirement, insurance and other bennies they wouldn't even want to be there, and on that I'd bet the bank.
Aren't birds pretty much at the bottom of the food chain?
big yellow ones are, and realy who cares about big bird please give me a break
Now guys.Who has looked into Mitt's businesses and how he financed them??. How about the facts of how many jobs he sent off shore??. Things are not all rosy for the sake of change.
Did he rob banks, run a string, sell drugs, etc, etc., if you don't know then what is the point of bringing up the subject or just what are you inferring?Quote:
Originally Posted by 1gary
What is the chance he used the same financiers you guys accuse Obama is using??. Hummm.
Oblabla could only wish. Not saying hes (Oblabla) not a smart man just not a good president. Wasn't much of a senator either
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Quiz name the three people starting from the left
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Just in time for halloween
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Originally Posted by 1gary
I doubt that he has any ties to George Soros or the Chicago mob
Charlie-please do remember the time when we all respected the person who was President and the office of the Presidency no matter who was President.
Thank You.
