Well Mitt and his China financiers..............Opps!!.
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Well Mitt and his China financiers..............Opps!!.
dah don't you get it obama wants to be a venture capital banker like Romney but use tax payers money instead of private investors so he can get campaign kick backs from co. like solyndra, gm , Chrysler so the u.a.w. and the big investment banks can kick back cash to him but he doesn't care about making a profit for his share holders because that's us tax payers and we don't count he thinks if he is reelected that is return enough return on the 6 trillion dollar investment that he lost but he hates Romney because he actually made a profit for his share holders this is unbelievable wake up smell the Folgers...ted
Oops you seem to want some respect for a dud, answer your own question, how much respect did Bush get ?
I love it when those who drink the cool-aid spout regarding the jobs lost when Bain closed plants, sent jobs away, killed innocent people, etc. Gee, wasnt Bain in the business of buying sinking businesses and trying to salvage something? They are a lot like salvage yards except they dealt in corporations instead of junk cars. Buy a sinking ship, scrap the unsaveable and build the rest into something of value to sell. These guys took risks so they DESERVE to make a huge profit.....because of the risk they probably lost some big $$ on some of the clunkers.
Of course, the workers think they got screwed. Of course, they (the workers) were the only compentent employees of the sinking ship. Of course, it was management's fault (it may well have been). None of the media has ever reported on the JOBS SAVED when Bain took the turd and salvaged something of value. Gee, if Bain had not bought the sinking ship, zero jobs would have been saved and the workers all would be looking.
Mr. Romney is guilty of one thing that Mr. Obama is envious of: Success
you say your worried about mitt and his china ties ? that was when he was president ??of the USA ?? what about the off sea.s financiers paying for Obumer campaign over the web? . what about GE and there ties to the white house and they are working over sea.s deal with china ?????Quote:
Originally Posted by 1gary
yes I'm old enough to remember Ike.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1gary
and I do respect the office of the presidency. its just the guy in it I have no respect for. We could use a president that can't or dosen't need to be bought by big business and dare I say unions
I guess I'm not as old as Charlie... HMmmm.. my Dad always taught me how to tell when a politician was lying....
yep, the lips are moving.
And whenever you see the word incumbent next to a name on a ballot, you MUST vote for the other guy/gal! If the rest of you would've followed my example, we'd never have gotten into this mess! 8-):LOL::rolleyes::LOL::)
I honestly think you have a plan
Well, I cannot say that many of my choices are ever elected.. sadly enough..
seem to have the same problem hopefully not this timeQuote:
Originally Posted by 34_40
Romney flipped flopped on three issues for political gains,not core believes in his history.Two big ones was abortion and a deal he made with Kennedy that took 400 million out of the Bush budget which certainly helped get us in the current jam we are now in.It was historic because that deal was after Kennedy handed Romney his butt in a election showing everyone Romney isn't ready for a national election/position.
It is kind of telling because of the above why it has taken sooooo long for Romney to state his positions on anything.Could it be his team needed time to properly fit him with a ear pc so he knew what to say??.:LOL::LOL:
Everyone put so much value in the fact he is in business when his dealings in that certainly isn't with "clean hands". Also he is once again flip flopping about the national debt when he helped it get to where it is. He was directly involved it that. Oh yeah,his state health care plan mirrors Obama's. These are the facts about the candidate. His positions are that for political gains and certainly not core believes.:eek:
gary how about making a list on obama ? just two for mitt ? you say national debt must not be a big deal as obama could have dealed with that . but instead jamed a heath care plane threw . but still has no plan for the budget. there is no easy answer on abortion over the years i changed my mind on this so it.s not the only deal breaker for me. funny that some adult pepole have no self control over there body but you want the government to pay for something thats not planed .well thats not the government that.s paying .that is US paying.... WE HAVE NO MONEY for starter big bird and can help obama pack is bags
Have you noticed that most people, especially Politicians, will try to tear their adversary down instead of standing on their own accomplishments. That goes for domestic quarrels, debates and this thread. Is that just the way the "Western World" functions or are we so concerned with the bad attributes that we don't care about the good ones?
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Originally Posted by 1gary
telling because of the above why it has taken sooooo long for Romney to state his positions on anything.Could it be his team needed time to properly fit him with a ear pc (nope it was a hankie/snot rag) so he knew what to say??.:LOL::LOL:
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Obozo has had 4 years to do the same and not been able to do that, what's your point?
Everyone put so much value in the fact he is in business when his dealings in that certainly isn't with "clean hands".
You do not know this and are unable to state any provable fact regarding this. You open the door and throw in these bombs. It is one thing to say these kind of things but you must have a fact or two to back it up.
If I were drag racing you or your crew, and you kept waxing me. Would it be fair of me to say 1gary is a cheater cause he wins races ?
People would be asking me is that all you got, and rightly so.
This is not in line with subjects that are currently appearing in this thread, but I'm curious about something.
On Oct.1 a good friend sent me an email that contained a link to the "Obama 2016" video. My wife and I were able to see the movie in its entirety. Jane suggested that if we wanted to forward it we should do so quickly because it is certain to be taken off the internet.
We forwarded it to maybe two dozen people. A few got it but most of them only got a bunch of advertisements.
I understand copyright protection and I'm all for it, but who has the authority to "pull the plug" so to speak, and how do they do it? Maybe the producers? However it is done, it happened quickly and effectively.
Jim
I went to see it in the theaters when it first came out it's very informative I strongly recommend you see it. google 2016 the movie it will tell you what theaters have it in your area and times it explains exactly what drives obama.....ted
The "very" same thing happened to me Jim but I think it was because of copyrights and not politics.
I made the mistake of saving it to watch later and ended up not being able to view it here at home.
I was only half way convinced that my wife was right. Her sister is a Dem/Lib - so she has had a fair number of years to define this. My wife says that Dem/Libs can do fine in any argument - that is until you can confront them with facts. Then they either change the subject or excuse themselves and leave (think - ostrich with its head stuck in the sand). We have presented our Dem/Lib friends with real life facts, but they just don't hear what we say. I honestly DO NOT care what peoples political leanings are, as long as they take the time to review their position with legitimate research with real and unbiased sources, make a conscious decision that this is the best way for them - THEN VOTE!!! If that person does NOT vote, as far as I'm concerned, he loses his right to any comments, here, in person or any where else. He is just another uninformed and uncaring American (and I think I can't say citizen any longer with so many UDDs* )
Gary - I have to take some exception to your posts. You live in NY State as I do. We have been ruled by Democrats for now ~6 years(Spitzer/Paterson?/A. Cuomo). In that time, this state has just been reported today to have fallen to the worst state, number 50, as having the poorest business climate, even below Calif. and Michigan. Additionally, you chose the Thruway to belabor - guess what - after last years 15% increase in tolls, it will now again be increased by another 45%. An example - about 3 weeks ago I traveled with my 34' trailer pulled by my F350 153.5 miles (Exit 42 to Exit 27). That toll was $27.15 or ~18 cents/mile. When the increase takes effect, it will be about $39.40 or ~26 cents/mile. Recall who is governor? Recall which party controls the Assembly? The Senate is controlled by the Republicans, but there are a couple that wander over the line - my local guy, MacDonald, but he just lost the primary and will not run again along with a Western NY guy.
OK, that Truway - now, go take a ride in the country and see how many family farms have fallen to ruin. Mario Cuomo was responsible for the 'death' taxes that are often more then a farm can be sold for in this climate.
NY City - Bloomberg. Yeah, I know an independant, after being a lifelong Dem, switching to GOP then away.
I can go on and on. My county, Saratoga, is one of the few solvent county in NY State and is run by - guess who, the GOP who have created a good business climate for companies to build. We also have the 4th lowest of 64 counties unemployment 6.9% in NY State - the rest of the counties above Saratoga have small populations.
Oh well, said enough!!
Gary - I just wish that you would do that unbiased information research, especially dealing with NY State
(My apologies to others that may live in CA and MI - and I'm originally from MI:LOL:)
*UnDocumented Democrats
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Originally Posted by pepi
Actually two PBS stations had documentaries going on at the same time about each candidate yesterday and their political and life histories.To capsulize Rooney's wealth and business success you don't these days get that rich without making deals with the devil. But there are facts to stand behind what I am saying..............
Just the mere fact he has flip-flopped on issues for political gain is more than enough proof he has no core believes and is a sell out party puppet saying what they want. They gutted him and he isn't even on the other side of the belt-way yet!!. A leader??. I think not.
UDD... I love it! 8-)
He's a politician! If his lips are moving he's LYING!
And for the record... our President said he would end the war and bring the boys home. He lied, actually started another front and brought us into Afganistan.. So now we fight 2 wars! He said he'd close Gitmo in 6 months.. He lied! He said he would run a balanced budget.. yep, more falacies ... In 40 months he's added 5 TRILLION to the deficit!!
On all the important topics. He has failed. He pushed thru a bill that NO-One has even read in it's entirety! For that, they ALL need to go!
It won't be long and we'll be in the same position as Greece and Portugal... We the people must re-take control and put the politicians back into their place. They are servants to the people, no more - no less!
[QUOTE=1gary;476847]Actually two PBS stations had documentaries going on at the same time about each candidate yesterday and their political and life histories.To capsulize Rooney's wealth and business success you don't these days get that rich without making deals with the devil. But there are facts to stand behind what I am saying..............
Bring on your facts, I may n eed them to sway my vote.
Charles Barkley once said "you can be rich, honest, and a Democrat but only two of those. Pick which two"
But what I said was from the beginning the tolls where supposed to be temporary. Care to guess how many parties have been in office since the beginning of the tolls??.Quote:
Originally Posted by IC2
Then from my comments about the tolls you want to expand to unemployment to failing farms??. Sorry but I don't get the connection.Oh ok you want to tag the Democrats.
The family farms first. All across the country corporate farming has undermined the family farms and either you learn how to compete or close up the farm. Really that is the big picture.
NYS taxes.It's true this state has some of the higher taxes. But on balance it also has more programs for gateways to businesses and more jobs. In fact the unemployment level fell below the Federal requirement level from Jul to Oct so the EB benefits to the unemployed could not be paid. Do you know here in Monroe county to pick fruits they are paying $14.00/hr and can't get enough workers to do the job??. OMG some are with full benefits from day one!!.
Kool-aid! Kool-aid! getcha Kool-aid here* It's gooood for ya!!
PBS is NOT an impartial and unbiased source of political, economic or personal historical information as it has the same financial and liberal roots and desires as the now renown Big Bird territory, NPR.
* Sez Jim Jones in an impassioned speech to his friends and neighbors in Jonestown, Guyana, 11/18/'78
Gary - lots of luck to you. This 'conversation' is beyond redemption.
You have not a single clue as to what I said. Bye bye.
Mr Mustang /Bill. Dump me if you deem it necessary
But what I said was from the beginning the tolls where supposed to be temporary. Care to guess how many parties have been in office since the beginning of the tolls??.Quote:
Originally Posted by IC2
Then from my comments about the tolls you want to expand to unemployment to failing farms??. Sorry but I don't get the connection.Oh ok you want to tag the Democrats.
The family farms first. All across the country corporate farming has undermined the family farms and either you learn how to compete or close up the farm. Really that is the big picture.
NYS taxes.It's true this state has some of the higher taxes. But on balance it also has more programs for gateways to businesses and more jobs. In fact the unemployment level fell below the Federal requirement level from Jul to Oct so the EB benefits to the unemployed could not be paid. Do you know here in Monroe county to pick fruits they are paying $14.00/hr and can't get enough workers to do the job??. OMG some are with full benefits from day one!!.
My fellow NYS'er I still hope your going to make it to one of Rochester's cruise nights. Just think to yourself at one of those local cruise events looking over all those cars that are there and think about how much money is there parked in that lot. The money had to come from somewhere. And it is in the tens of thousands of dollars while living here in NYS.:HMMM:
Come on Dave.It had the other side of the story on the other PBS station about Obama which I couldn't watch both at the same time. Not everything can be a conspiracy. I am just responding to your questions you have and providing where the facts come from. That Dave is with all due respect where at some point I still would love to met up with you. Just accept there is two sides to every story bud.Gezzz!!.Quote:
Originally Posted by IC2
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Originally Posted by IC2
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Oh, and by the way, I'm not so vain as to think that any site like this will fail if I totally walk away and never darken the door again. Once again, I've seen it attributed to Abraham Lincoln, but I learned it down in the Ozarks,Quote:
Never wrestle with a pig—you get dirty and the pig likes it.
Roger.Doesn't tell alot about your goals when your hope is without you the site fails??. I mean no harm to this forum,you,or for the matter no one else on this site. Relish people not wanting to post on this thread.........the one you created.
Oh,why post this on the open forum??. I wanted to show how bad it gets and of course how all along honest I have been.
The sad reality is that, as much as we might say we don't like negative characterizations (e.g. advertising), they work............that's why they get used over and over again. I've been on a mini-campaign here and elsewhere to urge fellow travelers to not buckle under the constant barage of negative propaganda, and fail to vote. That's one of the underlying objectives of the assault...............suppress voter participation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MelloYello
One of my concerns is that now that the polls appear to be shifting against the Pres., that those who share the desire to send him into retirement will become complacent and become ambivalent about getting to the polls or voting by absentee ballot. DON"T DO THAT!! The "game" is not over til the last ballot is cast. And there will be lots of low down games played. Just as one example, various overseas military absentee voting stations report that they have not received absentee ballots for between 40 and 70% of their charges. We can speculate as to the causes, but the bottom line is that these soldiers are being disenfranchised ..................not in speculation like the phony arguments against voter I.D. requirements.............but in reality.
This business about "liar" and "flip flop" is a similar campaign tactic.............get your non-thinking constituents to amplify the charges without any factual backup. In psychology it's a pathology known as "projection"...........charge the other guy with the negative you are actually doing. The Pres. and his subjects want you to believe he doesn't have a record to be measured against. Well, here are a couple lists of REAL examples of flip flopping and unfulfilled promises (grab your favorite beverage first, especially for the first one, it's 5 pages): PolitiFact | The Obameter: Campaign Promises that are Promise Broken
CLICK HERE! The Complete List of Obama Flip-Flops - President Obama - Fox Nation
Again, vote vote vote................no matter how good or bad the polling looks, no matter how many negative ads you're pummelled with, no matter how blue your state, make your vote count.
Why not vote "absentee", Bob?
The missus and I have both sent in our "straight Republican" ballots already because of the crowded conditions that will exsist at the voting places of the new neighborhood we have recently moved to and I DON'T DO CROWDS very well at all.
The Declaration of Independance says,"....We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
I think it's funny when we say he's rich therefore he's evil...., except Bill Gates and Warren Buffett. I do believe Barack is also a millionaire via book sales too. But for some reason, he's not part of the rich club who secretly wants to undermine society?
I think just because people are able to establish wealth, doesn't defaultly make them liars or corrupt. But if it does, then lets be fair and add pretty much every politician to the list in Washington. And I don't mean just look at their bank accounts, look at their lifestyles, and what they do and how they do it. I can't think of one senator or congressman who lives in a shack, or a trailer, lives paycheck to paycheck, etc.
I'm tired of this thought process. It's based of heresay, and doesn't speak about the individual's ability to lead a country.
If you believe in the Declaration of Independance, then you can't promote socialism. Socialism promotes the pursuit of mediocrity. By default, arguing rich people are evil, is arguing for socialism, and arguing for a level playing field, where no matter how hard you work, you will never be able to better yourself or your family above mediocrity. It's simple when you think about it. Really!
See the edited post above. I'm done, too much oinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1gary
Um, I've reread the sentence...............I'm pretty sure the "DON'T DO THAT" refers to the complacency, or ambivalence portion of the prior sentence. My apologies if that's unclear.Quote:
Originally Posted by MelloYello
OMG:eek::eek:Not enough for the edit,but then had to give directions to it.:LOL::LOL::rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by rspears
As long as you agree to disagree, I see no reason to "dump you".Quote:
Originally Posted by IC2
Bill S.
PS: I will of course use this post to make a general warning as there are two (T-W-O) high maintenance users (no not you IC2) on this thread who warrant a potential time out. I will not mention names as I believe in staying as neutral as I can. They know who they are, and at any given time, should they not follow the rules of decorum in regards to this thread, they will be removed until after the elections are over. No other warning will be posted.
Ya know what guys. Both sides of the isle learn once in the Presidents office it is a whole new game of politics. I think running for the office and making promises before hand and changing direction on those promises is just apart of it. I do think that is a fair statement.
My point about Mitt was he was bagged,sealed,and delivered back in 2008 by Kennedy in a debate and lost the election.Someone got to him and told him if he ever wanted to run for President this is what he would have to do. Now look at those changes and I do think it is logical that is what happened. Now my point,that isn't leadership,that's selling out.
i want to see the law that makes it illegal to become successful. i want to see proof that romney did something illegal to earn his wealth. i can not believe anyone could possibly believe if he had that the irs would not be up his butt with a microscope .
on another site they were making a big deal about romney and his wife having approx 250k invested in chinese companies. the romney's wealth is stated at 250 million. in a trust administered by his lawyer. show me a hedge fund without chinese investments or without big oil . show me a retirement fund without big oil or toyota . your 401k's are as much of the problem as anybody else.
I asked the same thing back in post #1183 still haven't seen it