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Again, we know where our president been and we know where he is going, does anyone think that we are done with any of the issues stated? Perhaps that is why they keep coming up!
Consistency in values and beliefs is important to me, how about you?
The Real Mitt Romney - YouTube
instead of crying and whining about bain capitol and jobs going to china you should concern yourself with WHY they are going there. it's not because of the scenery . obama has had 4 years and done nothing.
Nope, I kinda just want a president who can run the country, eliminate wasteful spending, get some jobs going, and not be an empty suit reading a teleprompter because he can't think on the spot or presumably at all, and reads what someone else has written for him.. Did you know that, not only does Romney not use a Teleprompter, he also writes his own speeches, So when Romney speaks, we know it's him. When Obama speaks, I don't know who's words he is speaking, or even if he believes in it because he is an empty suit behind the teleprompter. Watching his wife and the way she nods all the time, it's pretty obvious she's just cought up living the high life, and so is he. I'm sure his golf game has improved in 4 years tho. We know where Obama has been and where he is going, and he's not the guy I want for President.. That said, I do not agree with Everything Romney says or does, but I think he is a better choice than where we know Obama will end up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Rod Surfer
When it really mattered Obama was racing to pass a healthcare law that many didn't want, only because he had full control then and couldn't have done it with a Republican congress.
Nope, none of that, just pointing out that MR's rudder seems to be broken or non-existant.
defend your candidate instead of attacking the other. talk about obama record. tell us the great things he's done . and dont throw the weak useless unemployment numbers in. they show nothing. go to the percentage of working age people working. the true unemployment numbers are closer to 12 percent .
I agree, Compadre, but that's not the way the Libbies operate, unfortunately - HELL, you already knew that didn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by shine
I haven't thought about him for years, but you are correct, he could really stir the pot.Quote:
Originally Posted by NTFDAY
:) OK, but other comments out here don't seem to do anything but bash our President. I guess that I was just following suite...Quote:
Originally Posted by shine
Enjoy!
1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.
2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.
8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.
11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator’s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.
13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of “soft power”) during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.
15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.
17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.
18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.
19. Began Asia “Pivot”: In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.
20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.
Now, in return, here are a couple of simple questions:
Why does MR make such a major point about stopping funding for PBS when the $445 million dollar congressional subsidy when that value represents about one hundredth of one percent of the entire federal budget? Does he believe that it will make a difference?
or, if you want to skip that one...
Where will MR find the funds to cut the deficit if he doesn't raise taxes on the wealthy or the middle class?
As before, this thread and the discussions within are all indicators of a free, democratic society, God Bless America!
Before you attack Surfer, you may want to read through some of the posts attacking Obama, or for that matter look at all the names he's been called!!!!:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by shine
I may be off-line for a day or two. I have to take my computer out to have it steam cleaned.
What a deluge of garbage.
Jim
This ought to be fun - that partial list of Obama failures should draw some interesting comments :LOL::LOL::LOL: I'm only going to sit back and read and enjoy themQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Tracks
The list of "accomplishments" is copied from an oft-published list of "Obama's 50 greatest accomplishments" that you can do a Google for. Taken "as is" they are just short of a miracle......scanning the list, they did forget the free phones to the drug dealers....but took credit for almost everything else.
The "Obama Phone" isn't true. W actually expanded that law from the 1930's to include Cell phones, however, he did ok giving assult weapons to drug dealers thru the Fast And Furious operation. He denied he had anything to do with it of course.
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Originally Posted by Matt167
and that would of course be the only sting operation in the history of man that ever went bad, right???? I seriously doubt the President set the whole operation up, just took the blame when it went wrong......
Quite right, just googled it. So that is wrong to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by robot
But lets discuss them since it seems that no-one else has put up a single item that Mitt Romney has accomplished, I may have missed it from earlier, but here are 20 points about POTUS. All that seems to be going on is folks attacking our President.
For instance, lets start at the bottom, item 20. Do you disagree with any of the items to support Vets that was accomplished under his time at the helm? And how does that compare with Mitt Romney?
Discuss away! Why? Because you can without any oversight/fear/discrimination in this country! God Bless America!
I am all for giving the people in dire need some help. If a person is able-bodied, they should perform some token work in exchange for any assistance. That assistance should be administered by churches locally....keep ANY national organization out of local charities because they only screw up the system by having layers of managers and excess paperwork. The government does not OWE us anything except defense and what is in the Constitution.
The Healthcare law that is the #1 on the list you provided. Romney enacted Mass health long ago which is very simmilar to Obamacare, but he did it with bipartisan support. He did not have to push it thru before people knew what was in it. Romney created many successful companies when he was part of Bain Capitol, and extended other failing companies time in business, tho people ultimatly did loose their jobs.. Lets not forget, that is actually a 1 sided question. If your asking about presidential accomplishments, well the answer is none because he has not been President yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Hot Rod Surfer
A consulting firm does not create companies... They come in to an existing company, get their money up front then hang around a try to make things work. If it works out, fine, if not, they got paid anyway. Consulting companies used to have another name, efficiency experts, the first thing they look at is the biggest expense to a company, labor costs! Reducing labor costs increases profit. So, they're going to be looking for places to reduce labor costs by having fewer employees, fewer benefits, or lower wages....
Are you really sure we want a President who is more concerned with increasing profit then caring about people??? No one has yet explained how you lower taxes on the rich and famous, and increase revenue!!!! It didn't work last time, why will it work this time??? Seems to me the one's getting the biggest breaks will (again) be the one's making $250K a year and up---not sure how that helps those of us making less then $250K, yet paying our taxes at a higher percentage rate?????
What is wrong with making a profit? Every person I have ever met wants to make profit. I am unable to understand the problem with that. But I do know the result of not making a profit
Attachment 56303
Another example of not making a profit:
Record High Enrollment for Food Stamps: 46,681,833 Million
12:51 PM, Oct 16, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPER
There is nothing wrong with making a profit....That phrase is another RNC talking point that has been used far too much!!!! My point was, about continually increasing profit at the expense of the employees.....
That link goes to a vote early article......
Lower taxes for the rich creates jobs.
I've never seen a poor man open a business and hire hundreds of people.
If a company does not make a profit it cannot grow it cannot hire more people, another word for employees. Saying that I am using an RNC talking point it patronize me. You I believe work as a small business man. I on the other hand come from the corporate world and have worked there as of 70.
The companies I have worked for have grown and hired many employees, do they down size departments yes they do. If your little shop hired a floor sweeper and the activity coming in the front door slowed, profits down would you not down size? Of course you would and why because your profits are down, economics 101.
Saying "That phrase is another RNC talking point " is a DNC talking point, so nothing gained nothing learned. Head in the sand, and around and around we go. I like working in the corporate world they make good profits. They train employees in new skills, they invest in new processes, expand the corporate foot print, bring you computers, tools, and every other convenience that our families enjoy. So really consider the profit a good thing cause you want that as much as the corporations.
The hat trick in the coming election is which one of these two men will take the hand cuffs off the people that create the jobs and wealth of this country...Really a very simple common sense choice, we have the advantage of knowing where one of them has taken the country.
Hussein Obama has had four years to unshackle the small business.
Somehow you expect it takes eight?
True...but there's been a global recession in the interim...look at the global situation eg Spain, Italy, the UK, Ireland, they're in a bad way, and even us right here in little New Zealand.Quote:
Originally Posted by firebird77clone
We're not as badly affected as some...but it's still not all sweetness and light.
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The Gooberments way of thinking is that ?IF? they can't make a profit then they don't want anyone else to.
Figuratively speaking, I would think that they (USA) were the largest ?Company? in the free world (or at least close)
and their "deficit" is a shame and disgrace to it's Citizens. If any other Company in America was to operate that way - - well you know the answer to that one !
“…….For instance, lets start at the bottom, item 20. Do you disagree with any of the items to support Vets that was accomplished under his time at the helm? And how does that compare with Mitt Romney?........”
Let me start off by saying I have a hard time voting for any candidate who will become Commander in Chief who has not worn the uniform of this country. I don’t believe that anyone one who has not been there can fully understand the implications of sending our service men and women into harms way.
“……..20. Increased Support for Veterans ……”
Of course the while the present administration takes full credit for these reforms on one hand, his Department of Homeland Security issued a report that classified returning veterans as a potential terrorist threat. “…..the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups…..”
But I suppose that much like the results of the Libyan terrorist attack being the Secretary of States fault, this would have to be laid at the feet of the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.
And while we’re on the subject, lets also mention number 4.
“…….4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011……”
The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement which set the withdraw of US forces from Iraq was negotiated by the Bush administrations and signed by president Bush.
…………………………………OR
“…….5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year…….”
I can’t help but notice that the peak number of troops took place just last year under the current administration.
…………………………Finally
“…….6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered……”
Do you really think that if anybody else had been president at that time that they would have done things differently? Do you believe that Obama had made some great change in the intelligence community that led to our finally being able to locate bin Laden?
But then again Obama has a Nobel Peace Prize and Romney doesn’t. That’s something I’m sure that has made an impact on how the Muslim world in general and Al Qaeda and the Taliban in particular view the US.
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And this from today
“.......2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression.....”
Government-funded battery maker files for bankruptcy - Bottom Line
More Kool-Aid anyone?
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14. ... expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.
The only thing Pell Grants and other education subsidies have done is made colleges richer and college more expensive. When I attended college (30 years ago), one could afford college without loans. I know because I did it. I was a full time student, worked nights and weekends and was able to pay for room, board, and college. And it wasn't even that much of a struggle. Therefore, I would conclude that anyone could have afforded to go to college as long as you had some type of a job and the ability to get accepted to a college.
Today, state schools (in VA) are $25,000 a year. I don't see how someone could afford to pay that working nights and weekends.
Health care is going the same way. Health care is expensive because of subsidies. Medicare, Medicaid, and now Obama care. I feel bad for my kids who are around college age now. Things are really going to suck in another 30 years.
$249 mill ain't chicken feed, Y'all, great post and perfect timing, Mike !Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike P
Someone needs to go get a switch and head to the Rose garden
Oh yeah, there's that trickle down economics thing again--no one has yet explained why that will work this time??????????Quote:
Originally Posted by firebird77clone
No poor people ever opened a business and hired hundreds of people??? Well, Dave Thomas, Ray Crock, Henry Ford to name a few have done it. Big business IMO should not be the center of attention for the economic debate... Small business is where the real hiring comes from, and small business also initiates the $$$$$ that roll over how many times in a local economy????
I've explained it many times over the years, complete with links to Federal Government produced charts that showed the REVENUES that increased after each of the major income tax RATE cuts implemented by four different administrations. The quote I posted a few days ago that you denegrated the as "Trickle Down....." was from JFK, Aug. 1962...........yes, back when Democrats weren't spiteful toward the producers. For all the frequently repeated BS about "Bush tax cuts cause the deficit..." (now THERE is an actual talking point), the highest EVER revenue income year to the Federal Government was 2007! Revenues aren't the problem directly, it's spending in excess of the realistic revenues that actually causes debt increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
Here's a paper that enumerates the concepts in considerable detail for those who are open minded enough: http://www.tsowell.com/images/Hoover%20Proof.pdf
Will this post end the silliness about "Tax cuts causing the debt"..............if history is prolog.............not likely............but the info is presented yet again in rebuttal to be ignore by all who are true idealogues.
Just asking the questions, that's all... Read that article awhile back, some accuracy but still a bit opinionated. I'm in no way looking for the rich to pay everyone else's way, just wondering if the tax plan Romney has is going to be able to generate enough tax revenue, and still promote economic growth??? Just trying to fine something positive in this whole economic fiasco! Seems we get a lot of the "blame game", but no definitive answers from either candidate on what will work!
This whole campaign from both sides IMO has become so negative, that nothing seems to get said by either candidate about how things can be fixed! Maybe it's just the way of the world these days, the only way to make one guy look good is to make his opponent look bad??? President Obama's first four years have show improvement at a very slow rate, are we just sitting back expecting a miracle cure for this economic crisis that will fix everything overnight, or is there a way to hurry the growth along a bit? Jobs of course are the answer, but I still believe that removing a lot of the burdens the government has placed on small businesses would create more jobs then more tax breaks and incentives to the huge corporations...
The campaigns have also left out other issues I would deem important. Getting our troops the heck out of the Mid East where the countries were trying to help don't even want us there in the first place. Crime and the homicide rate in big cities. More efforts to keep drugs from pouring into this country from across our borders (and no, it's not just Mexico). Some sort of plan to give the poor an incentive to get out of the welfare life and become contributing members of society. Contrary to popular belief, the poor don't remain poor because they enjoy the life style!
Even on this forum, I'd sure like to hear something positive about Romney and his plans that actually makes him a viable candidate rather then just the same old "bad mouth Obama" stuff...... I'll never understand how complaining about the past and present has anything to do about making things better in the future!
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Originally Posted by Matt167
Nope, never mentioned presidential accomplishments, just accomplishments. Bring 'em on!
I don't think Henry Ford was ever "poor" and I'm not sure about the other two but I would think that none of them were poor when they hired "hundreds" of people. And I think Kroc bought McDonalds.. he didn't start it. I'm guessing he wasn't poor at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
So you are not voting for Mitt Romney then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike P
I believe that POTUS told us last night that he was responsible for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike P
Yes, but the Iraqi's didn't want the Bush plan, when negotiations were begun, they figured that Iraqi's would just take what they were given. However after awhile the news got out that the American demands were infuriating Iraqi lawmakers, some of whom wanted to kick the US troops out entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike P
It was Barack Obama's proposal that the Iraqis adopted as their own. They wanted the Barack deal, not the Bush deal.
True, but they are being withdrawn as well, that was the accomplishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike P
Quite probably, but we will never know. All we know is that our POTUS did pull that trigger. Again, he gets the nod on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike P
Hmmmmm, not sure about that at all, but love the sarcastic bend!:LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike P
At risk of being repetitive, this type of discussion can only happen in a free country, God Bless America and our Armed Forces!
All of them started their business on a shoestring. Crock and Thomas had both had numerous business failures before they became successful... I know of a lot of folks here locally (self included) who started with little more then a good idea and eventually started business and hired people. You don't have to be rich to start a business, just willing to do the work!!!! Did they hire hundreds of people the day they opened? Heck no, only the government is foolish enough to try something that ill advised!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by herbet99
BTW, what's the alternative? Waiting and hoping that some giant corporation hires you??? Lots of us were never cut out to belong in corporate America and started our own business because of what we wanted to do and how we wanted to do it.
Really?? I was not going to dive into this discussion again, but your statement about the killing of Bin Laden echoes the statements made by POTUS following the successful raid by Seal Team 6 - "I have killed Bin Laden!" and is one of the most offensive things any sitting President has ever said or done. This POTUS knows nothing about being a leader, and you can bet that he had speeches ready in the event that the raid was not successful, laying blame on the team, or their commanders for yet another botched attempt that "..I set up." It has been well documented that the statements made immediately after that raid, while we still had troops in harms way, with opportunity to leverage the events of that evening into a treasure trove of increased intelligence, put out front line team in danger. Those statements also put the families of Seal Team 6 in jeopardy, by publicizing the identity of the team involved. Did POTUS care? Apparently not, or if he even had a clue what he was doing he valued the continuing ,"I" statements more than he valued the men serving in the field, and the risk that he put them in by making his untimely announcements, claiming personal responsibility for the act itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Rod Surfer
As for withdrawing the troops from Afghanistan, once again POTUS is widely declaring that the justification for withdrawing the troops is that the job is done, and that the war on the Taliban and Al Qaeda has been won! Uncle Bob posted an excellent link to a very recent presentation by Lara Logan, whose insight into the situation on the ground in the Middle East is based on her personal experience, something POTUS does not seem to value. If you did not listen to it I strongly recommend that you invest twenty minutes to do so, and then explain why the withdrawal of troops is a good idea. "They" don't want us there?? Who is this mysterious "they", and more to the point, why should we care? The issue here is that there is a very real, very current war on terrorism going on, and killing Bin Laden simply cut off one head of the Lernaean Hydra, and it has been made clear that it did not end the threat. Did you hear the chants during the recent attacks on our embassies? The crowds were making fun of Obama, and his statements that he had defeated Al Qaeda by killing Bin Laden. Listen to Lara Logan with an open mind. She's an unbiased journalist who states clearly that she has no concern with who is POTUS, or what party is in majority, the war on terror is real - here's the link, to speed the search, Post 1216 - http://www.clubhotrod.com/hot-rod-lo...tml#post476938
I think you make a good point. I'm just not sure about your examples. Kroc (and I'm assuming we're talking about McDonalds Ray Kroc) bought McDonalds for $2.7 million. hardly a "shoestring". Dave Thomas was already a millionaire when he started Wendy's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
Yes, these guys worked hard to become successful (and rich) but did so before they started hiring large numbers of people. So yes, I would agree that we should do all we can to make it possible for "poor" people to work hard and become rich in the hopes they will eventually hire a lot of people. Who would then pay taxes (broaden the base)
“….So you are not voting for Mitt Romney then?....”
Just making an observation.
“….I believe that POTUS told us last night that he was responsible for that….”
He took responsibility for his Secretary of the Department Home Land Security classifying returning veterans as a potential terrorist threat? I must have missed that.
“……It was Barack Obama's proposal that the Iraqis adopted as their own. They wanted the Barack deal, not the Bush deal……”
And your reference for this is????
“…….Quite probably, but we will never know. All we know is that our POTUS did pull that trigger. Again, he gets the nod on this one……”
I couldn’t have answered this any better than Roger already has.
We do agree on one thing, it is a great country that allows open different view points.
