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As a gun owner I think that Romny will be a far lesser threat to the 2nd ammendment than Obama. As for fixing the economy, I agree that whoever is elected probably won't change where we are headed, except that one my cut spending more than the other, and that is a start in the right direction. I'm tired of being taxed more, taking home less, and watching those around me benefit from not applying themselves.
If the gun ban happened, I can't imagine the out come of that being very great!
Well, Obama has never proposed a gun ban, there was some rhetoric in his '08 campaign concerning a ban on assault weapons, but that hasn't been brought up since then... Might want to check out Mr. Etch-A-Sketch's record on gun laws when he was Governor--He was also in favor of a ban on assault weapons... Guess I still don't understand why a hunter or other sport type shooter would want a short barrel AR-15 or AK 47 type gun with a 30 round clip---If it takes 30 rounds to hit your deer, might want to consider a new hobby!!!!!!! I would imagine Romney is now in favor of letting everyone and there brother carry an AR-15 with the sling over their shoulder and walk down main street, seems whatever the record shows his previous position on an issue to be, he's changed it by now!!!!!!:LOL::LOL::LOL:
IMO it's a sad state of affairs when our only choice for President comes down to one who is an ineffective leader and the other can't seem to make up his mind what he's for or against!!!!!:(:(:(
To be a leader one must have someone to lead, both sides are so polarized that they can not be lead
We don't need a leader, we need a follower, someone who will follow the citizen's wishes. These people used to be called public servants, now they're called leaders. BULLHOCKEY.
On another note, I just read that there are now 46,000,000 U.S. citizens on food stamps. Makes me want to puke. Take advantage, take advantage, take advantage.
Do we want to reelect a president that riles with hate for big oil, hates big business hates the banking industry, hates the coal industry, hates the auto industry, wants to nationalize and regulate every aspect of your life hates private aviation wants to fundamentally change America from the greatest most successful country in the history of the world and replace it with a socialist sys. that has failed every time its been tried. just because the communist socialist anti American professors at Harvard think that sys. hasn' been tried by the right people and the think they so smart they think they can make it work all those professors are a bunch burned out drugged out 60's hate America draft dodging hippies that are like obama never ran a business met a pay roll or had a job for that matter, loves public service unions, wants to regulate every part of your life, wants to put you in a train or in a bus to go visit a museum to see cars you used to be able to drive, and now we find out he hates small business too. so I GUESS THAT MAKES ME RACEST....ted p.s sorry for the long rant but I am tire of this talk that there is no difference between the candidates
Yeah, and I'm tired of not having a candidate that's worth voting for!!!!!
Matches up with the numbers from the US Census Bureau that states there are 46.2 million Americans living below the poverty level..... I've witnessed the USDA Food Stamp program feed a lot of kids that would otherwise be going hungry. It's the abuse of the system, the bureaucracy that runs it, and the lack of enforcement of the rules that is bad!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by techinspector1
Dave I understand not thinking owning a assault weapon is necessary. The problem with the labeling of guns as a assault weapon, is in the definition. California is the trend setter. We have banned "Assault Weapons". Here is the rub, a thumb hole stock is an assault weapon, a rifle or shot gun with a pistol grip is an assault weapon. A gun with a magazine greater than 10 rounds is an assault weapon.
The problem is most weapons used to kill people in crimes are not bought and registered at the local gun store. I guarantee you, in California when somebody is shot with an AR or AK weapon, with a 30-50 round clip, pistol grip, or automatic firing, it wasn't purchased here or anywhere legally(ie the black market). So what happens is citizens keep getting restricted in what they can buy for a defense weapon or hunting weapon, while the criminals will keep buying what they need. Eventually as our gun rights are whittled away, we will have no rights. It's a slow erosion process with the same end result.
Men have historically used millitary rifles to hunt with, after serving duty. After WW1 people bought up M1903 and M1917 Enfields to hunt with, they were cheap and the ex soldiers were familiar with them. After WW2 people bought 1911 .45's and M1 Garands and carbine for self defense and hunting. When the Automatics started showing up, they were not widely sold after service. After the Gulf war Ar15's were starting to be made in semi-automatics and sold for hunting. The AR platform rifle is quite slick, with the ability to attach different sights, lights, grips etc.. Now alot of younger generation of ex military hunters are using AR's in 223 and 308 caliber to hunt. It's a great design, light weight and dependable. When the hunt, they don't have auto selectors, or 50-100 clips, they have 5-10 round magazines depending on local gun laws and hunting regs.
Ultimately it is rediculous to change policy and create laws based on isolated incidents perpretrated by crazy people. The incident in Colorado just as easily could have playe out as a young disturbed man, making a pipe bomb from fertilizer, or a molicot coctail and walking into a theatre with a piece of chain and a lock. Locking the exits and lighting the building on fire, or blowing everyone to bits. Everybody still dies, but do we then create laws that you can't buy gas and a bottle, or pieces of metal pipe and fertilizer?
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Instead of going after guns, why not go after the nuts who buy them? A better screening process, a ten day wait period from purchase to pickup, and instant background check system. All of these are pretty effective deterent. Then establish better systems to regulate illegal sale of any weapon, and stop illegal traffic across borders who bring in weopons for criminals.
It's a sad day when a sick person goes on a killing spree with stuff they legally bought and were not screened out by the sales process. But this is also a rare event, that is blown out of proporsion, by people like Obama who has an anti gun agenda that is on the record. I know Mitt is an idiot, but at least he has sided with the NRA to promise to protect hunting rights and the right to bear arms. Will he keep that promise? Who knows, but I have no doubts about Obama's objectives on this subject.
Will Romny raise taxes(not if he wants to ever stay in Politics as a Republican.) Will Obama - yes. I'm not saying he's a good choice, just a lesser evil.
hell i can kill you with a rock ....................
That sounds like mostly a California problem on the description of an assault weapon!!!! I guess I just don't understand the fascination with an AR-15-- I had an M-16, great for 3 shot burst or full auto in Vietnam..... When I came home and went hunting I was a lot happier with my Remington!!!!! Unfortunately laws have to be aimed at the lowest common denominator, just like the majority is punished for the actions of a few... Any half ways decent gun smith can full auto that AR-15, then with a couple 30 round clips taped together, what do you have??? Just another hunting rifle??? The latest idiot had an AR-15, a shotgun, and two glocks. What screening would have kept him from purchasing these weapons other then a psychological exam??? and would that have caught him???? If there were a screening process that thorough, the NRA would scream about it and lobby it out of existence too.... I do not recall ever seeing or hearing any anti-gun agenda on anyone's record in the last 5 or 6 years, other then a few of the way too far left idiots.... There has been no anti-gun legislation introduced at the federal level recently, either!
I'm sorry, I used to hunt and target shoot a lot till my vision got so bad and I still don't see where I would ever want to include an AR-15 as a hunting rifle..... Too many others that fit better and shoot better, plus many, many more with better ballistics for hunting then an AR..... I'm not anti-gun, still have all of mine (and Dad's, and Grandpa's, and Great-Grandpa's) all safely locked away. I've heard all the arguments for assault weapons, people have been using the same one's for better then 20 years!!!!! BUT, if there were even a 50/50 chance that an assault weapon ban would prevent another incident like we just had in Aurora, Co. I'd be for an assault weapon ban in a heart beat!!!! I cancelled my NRA membership 10 years ago, I could just no longer buy into all the hype and BS about the government taking our guns away. I'm fine with dealing with the facts and don't need all the scare tactics employed by the NRA, just like I don't need CNN, or Fox, or any of the other media telling me what I should believe or how I should feel about a subject.....
A guy can use a car to run a bomb into a building and kill as many people as a guy with a gun or a AR, glock, 1911, shotgun or any weapon. If you ban ar's and ak's, next you will be banning Ruger Mini 14's because heck you can get 40 round clips for them too! So now that you ban the ranch rifle, how about short barrel shotguns made for home defense. Once you get rid of glocks, how about Para Ordinance or 1911 colts, You can buy high round clips for them too! Next let's go after Baseball bats and knifes, the trend doesn't end. Everytime someone gets killed with a gun, gun control laws are proposed as a knee jerk reaction. The same thing will happen with hot rods. Some rat rod poorly constructed will end up rolling and flipping and killing a mini van full of kids. Knee jerk reaction, don't let people build their own cars, ban high horsepower vehicles with the potential to be more dangerous. The problem is the car, the bat the knife the gun, the bomb or whatever, is not the problem. The problem is the person using them. Getting rid of the device will just change the weapon. Meanwhile those of us who collect weapons, who target shoot, who hunt, who want something in the safe for the next natural disaster to defend our families from these same idiots are going to be in trouble, because it will be against the law to do or own anything. This isn't hype, or war mongering or NRA line of bull, it is happening already. Everytime someone on this forum chimes in about hotrod restrictions, or NASCAR restrictions, based on accidents, or about paint regulations based on chemicals, where do you think this stuff starts? Usually in California or New York, and they spreads like an epidemic nation wide. To own a "Assault Weapon" in California, it has to have : 1) a bullet button to lock the magazine into the reciever. 2) a ten round or less magazine that works in conjuction with the bullet button. It is a felony to Own or buy a magazine greater than ten rounds for any weapon here. You can't tell me that an AK or AR set up this way is the problem, it isn't. People using AK's for crimes aren't purchasing them legally. If you ban any ak or ar here, people will still be shot with ak's and ar's bought on the black market(because that's what criminals and psycopaths do!) All I want is to have an equal opertunity to defend myself as they do to try and kill me.
An assault weapon is any rifle with a clip with greater than 10 rounds! This includes mini 14's and 30's, it includes some of those old hunting rifles you may remember, it include a 1941 M1 carbine. It also includes any rifle of any make with a colapeable stock or folding stock. It includes any thumb hole rifle stock on a center fire rifle. Any rifle with a pistol grip or a foregrip. This is already in place here in california. As is the laws making it next to impossible to carry a concealed weapon legally. For those of us, working until midnight, near wonderful cities such as Richmond and Oakland, driving 25 miles in remote areas of unpratrolled freeways, this is scarry! I've been run off the road by gang bangers going home, I've had crazy people come at me in the hospital parking lot. Yet it is illegal for me to be able to carry self protection. If you don't think the second ammendment is under attack, then you are not aware of the laws being proposed and that are already inacted.
I agree people don't need 30 round clips or automatics, other than for redneck fun. But the fact is banning a weapon because of how it looks is rediculous. As for far better weapons for hunting than an AR, read up on some of the new semi auto hunting models and why hunters of 40 and fifty years are switching over to them. The are very accurate out to long distances, with the new ballistic combinations, they are light weight and accurate with shorter barrels at 300 plus yards. Some of my buddies are having a hard time carrying their old 10 lb remingtons and are going to the composit stock ar's for their versitility. They do not own barrel magazines or 30 round clips. They don't have automatic firing options. Ultimately, banning this won''t change anything! The problem is faulty logic that getting read of the gun will get rid of the pyschopaths. Take one weapon away from this type of individual, and they will simply find another method. I agree screening for these people can be impossible. But stopping them can be impossible too reguardless of what weapon is leagal to buy. As always the problems start at home with how these people were raised, what drugs thier parents took while they were concieved and what society allows as what is normal. I'm sure each and everyone of these things can be traced back to people who at one time said, that guy's going to kill someone some day!
If you want to really make an impact, take extreme actions in the media against the perpetrator. Make it clear to those out there with similar ideals, that they will suffer like their victims.Stop the mass addiction to meth anfedamines, stop people who are taking drugs from having children who never develop empathy during the first trimester of life, because Mom and Dad were alcoholics, using cocaine, heroine or meth. That would be far more effective.
Heck, you don't need a gun, you need to move!!
Other states used to follow California's lead, now the absurdity of trying to live there has become a laughing matter. No job, or area, or anything else is worth putting up with that kind of bs!!!!
The only knee jerk reaction to the most recent even was by your very own Feinstein!!!! The 'normal folk' have lost control of that state years ago and the economic chaos, city's declaring bankruptcy, gangs owning the streets is nothing but a result of voter apathy at the polls to allow these idiots to stay in office!!! Or, if the actions of the state government reflect the wishes of the majority of the people, then why would a normal person with normal values want to stay there???
Personally, I'd choose a cabin 10 miles north of Sheepdip, Montana, grow a garden, shoot deer for food, and catch fish in a stream before I would live in a place that requires one to carry a gun and stockpile ammo just to feel safe in my community!
One of the reasons I left California in 72 and the best job that I've had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
Early in 72 a car with 4 people was cruising down the street in Hawaiian Gardens, some 5 miles or so from where we lived in Anaheim, and from an open widow in the car one of the idiots leveled a little girl playing in her front yard with a shotgun. Seems as though The Mexicans were having some kind of turf war or some such thing. By September my family and I had left and I've never regretted that decision.
Someday maybe it'll break off and float down to Baja where it belongs.
i own a lot of guns. all have their place. dont have a need for an ak or ar15. my 223 range rifle will get it done . if i aint hit it in 5 shots i need to get the hell out of dodge. what i dont need is some moron in washington making the decision for me. in texas gun control is hitting what you aim at .i