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That "out of context....." dodge may be what National Propaganda Radio feeds, along with the rest of the lap dogs, but it's bull hockey. Not everyone who is offended by that remark is a mindless twit. The WHOLE statement that contains that phrase was a mockery of personal motivation......a paean to government elitest control. I've listened to every word and intonation. And that quote is in context. Not only to that statement, but to the generally anti-business meme that this President has repeated since he was a candidate the first time around, and probably earlier (something in one of his memoirs about "....behind enemy lines...." when he briefly worked in the private sector comes to mind). That businessman's sign that tweaked your ire was/is an expression of disdain that isn't election year driven, or racially motivated either (you know that lame one is always present), it's a reaction (recall your science....."every action has an equal and opposite reaction..."). It's a matter of self motivated folks being tired of being cast as "the problem". Being scolded for "not paying their fair share". Being blamed for "....destroying the environment." And so on. President Obama is the target of that long festering ire because he's put himself up as "the savior" of sorts. But he's just the tip of the iceberg of oppression foisted on those who desire to return to the kind of freedom that built this to the most successful society in the history of man.

Respect is a two way street..............it's to be earned...........not given without having done something of some significance.......it's not a Nobel Peace Prize.

Having read the speech the statement came out of I have to agree with Bob that the statement WAS in context. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I tend to read the news stories on both a convertive leaning and liberal leaning sites to try and actually find the middle ground where "truth" hopefully lies.

I'll just say again,


If you can't say something negative, don't say nothing at all....


My reaction to that sign is nothing more then total disdain for it's message and the man who put it up there. Respect for the Office of the Presidency, if you don't respect the man, that's fine, but respect for the office SHOULD be there, as this man was chosen to that office by a majority of the voters.....


Really is there anything that can't be blamed on Obama with the right twist or omission of words, the right out of context statement??? Please Bob, I've watched and listened to the speech that the "you didn't build it" that the bull pucky ad came out of. I'm neither a lap dog nor a lackey, nor do I need FOX news, Rush Limbaugh, or the likes telling me what to believe and who did what by putting their spin on whatever is said.... My opinion is that we will not survive another 4 years of the extreme left battling the extreme right and the resultant power struggle within Congress, I'd say it's time to put Conservatives from BOTH parties in office, and send these extremists home to be "experts" interviewed by FOX and CNN based on their side of extremism. Nor will we survive another 4 years of doom and gloom bs concerning big business being so terribly put upon by the government, seeing as how big business pretty much owns the government anyway!!!!

Self motivated folks have become the silent majority, the "average Joe" has been totally left out of the program. If you consider yourself rich, then you're supposed to be on this side, if you're poor, then you're supposed to be on the other side, then these extremes battle each other on every single point, at times on every single word, and absolutely nothing gets done about Joe Average and his battle to keep his family fed, his payments made, put his kids through college, have a decent retirement to look forward to, etc. Joe Average doesn't have a prayer if we have nothing but 4 more years of the same crap to look forward to!!!!!!

One more thing on respect, remember when an election was held and we respected the majority rule and tried to make the best of things, even though our side lost??? Remember phrases like "I respectfully disagree", then the speaker would state his case based on fact and not trying to stir the emotions of the audience, and trying to create as much hate and discontent as possible because his side lost? Remember when candidates countered the other sides negatives with positives concerning their side of a discussion and not just slinging more mud on the other side???

Isn't there anything positive that will come out of this election, or just more negative?????

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Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter

That "out of context....." dodge may be what National Propaganda Radio feeds, along with the rest of the lap dogs, but it's bull hockey. Not everyone who is offended by that remark is a mindless twit. The WHOLE statement that contains that phrase was a mockery of personal motivation......a paean to government elitest control. I've listened to every word and intonation. And that quote is in context. Not only to that statement, but to the generally anti-business meme that this President has repeated since he was a candidate the first time around, and probably earlier (something in one of his memoirs about "....behind enemy lines...." when he briefly worked in the private sector comes to mind). That businessman's sign that tweaked your ire was/is an expression of disdain that isn't election year driven, or racially motivated either (you know that lame one is always present), it's a reaction (recall your science....."every action has an equal and opposite reaction..."). It's a matter of self motivated folks being tired of being cast as "the problem". Being scolded for "not paying their fair share". Being blamed for "....destroying the environment." And so on. President Obama is the target of that long festering ire because he's put himself up as "the savior" of sorts. But he's just the tip of the iceberg of oppression foisted on those who desire to return to the kind of freedom that built this to the most successful society in the history of man.

Respect is a two way street..............it's to be earned...........not given without having done something of some significance.......it's not a Nobel Peace Prize.

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Originally Posted by Dave Severson

I'll just say again,


If you can't say something negative, don't say nothing at all....


My reaction to that sign is nothing more then total disdain for it's message and the man who put it up there. Respect for the Office of the Presidency, if you don't respect the man, that's fine, but respect for the office SHOULD be there, as this man was chosen to that office by a majority of the voters.....


Really is there anything that can't be blamed on Obama with the right twist or omission of words, the right out of context statement??? Please Bob, I've watched and listened to the speech that the "you didn't build it" that the bull pucky ad came out of. I'm neither a lap dog nor a lackey, nor do I need FOX news, Rush Limbaugh, or the likes telling me what to believe and who did what by putting their spin on whatever is said.... My opinion is that we will not survive another 4 years of the extreme left battling the extreme right and the resultant power struggle within Congress, I'd say it's time to put Conservatives from BOTH parties in office, and send these extremists home to be "experts" interviewed by FOX and CNN based on their side of extremism. Nor will we survive another 4 years of doom and gloom bs concerning big business being so terribly put upon by the government, seeing as how big business pretty much owns the government anyway!!!!

Self motivated folks have become the silent majority, the "average Joe" has been totally left out of the program. If you consider yourself rich, then you're supposed to be on this side, if you're poor, then you're supposed to be on the other side, then these extremes battle each other on every single point, at times on every single word, and absolutely nothing gets done about Joe Average and his battle to keep his family fed, his payments made, put his kids through college, have a decent retirement to look forward to, etc. Joe Average doesn't have a prayer if we have nothing but 4 more years of the same crap to look forward to!!!!!!

One more thing on respect, remember when an election was held and we respected the majority rule and tried to make the best of things, even though our side lost??? Remember phrases like "I respectfully disagree", then the speaker would state his case based on fact and not trying to stir the emotions of the audience, and trying to create as much hate and discontent as possible because his side lost? Remember when candidates countered the other sides negatives with positives concerning their side of a discussion and not just slinging more mud on the other side???

Isn't there anything positive that will come out of this election, or just more negative?????

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Maybe it's time to say, "I respectfully disagree" on this point and move on?? Seems like we're just rehashing the same points over and over. Just a thought......

Oh, and Dave, the old saying that my Mom drilled into my head was, "If you can't say anything NICE, then don't say anything at all." But then, it seems that more people learned it your way than mine.....

those with palm up will never understand those with palm down. nobody helped me build my business, i paid every one of them well. much more than i drew for the first 5 years.

I agree we hash out the same points again and again. I also agree that the system is broken, and probably will be for the rest of our lives unfortunately. I hold hope, but do find myself leaning toward the negative. Funny thing is this topic keeps us all chatting, in between builds and car projects, which for me is directly related to inflation and the economy, that the hotrod has the least of my financial priorities, compared to paying bills and fixing our broken stuff. I will take everyones points to heart and vote for whatever effective change there may be a remote possibility of.

Well, Congress adjourned today for a 30 day vacation..... Probably shouldn't expect them to be doing a lot about anything when they get back in session as it will be too close to election day and they'll all be watching the polls and bad mouthing the other side of the aisle.... It is a good chance for all of us to question our Representatives and Senators about what they intend to do about all the problems facing our country. Usually while they are home they schedule lots of public forums, round table discussions, etc that affords us the opportunity to be a part of the system rather then just a victim of it.....

It's going to be quite a contest here in Missouri over Sen. McCaskill's seat. I would describe her as a moderate Democrat, sometimes she sides with the administration and sometimes she doesn't, and the mud slinging is really getting heavy. I'm so sick of that garbage I could scream so I probably won't decide until much later as again it appears it's going to be the lesser of two evils.
I've followed politics to some degree since I saw part of the 52 Democratic and Republican conventions on TV and over the years things have definitely gotten worse. I would much rather hear what the person stands for and what he/she would attempt to do or try to change if elected instead of their opponents transgressions.

Wish I had nothing to do and could "EARN" $125,100 a year.

Q: Does the IRS pay billions in tax refunds to workers who are in the U.S. illegally?

A: Yes. The Treasury Department’s Inspector General determined that $4.2 billion was paid in 2010, up from less than $1 billion in 2005. Leading Democrats are resisting a bill that would stop future payments.

Why wouldn't they want to live here AND vote for the one signing the checks

Kind of a change of the topic of sorts.I found out in NYS for people that where force to return to work at a low dollar wage and ran out of unemployment,they have to have a $1,600 dollar/month income for a quarter in order to refile for unemployment should something happen to the job they where forced into.Well that is like saying NYS has eliminated unemployment because many of those low dollar jobs don't equal that kind of monthly income.Tons of part time work at barely over minimum wage.

Yeah, that would be a tough situation to be in, but the fact is that unemployment is an insurance program with limited benefits, not an entitlement program with a pool of money to be given away. Like any insurance, there are criteria that must be met relative to the benefit, and part time positions generally do not include any benefits.

The unfortunate part of NY Unemployment Insurance (and maybe other states) the max of $460/week is based on your work history wages. That $1600+ bucks/month that Gary speaks of is the max. It could be a lot less - and some of those min salary waiting to be filled, 40 hours per week, jobs will pay less then the unemployment someone may be getting. You add in transportation, clothing, outside meals - now you are losing even more. Of course there is pride in working for a living, but unfortunately, that doesn't put food on the table when those few extra (maybe) bucks are being spent. Then taxes ------ Almost all of the markets here, retail and 7-11 type stores have signs posted looking for help, both full and PT - and they go begging. If I choose to become a greeter at Walmart - my SS takes a big hit. My wife's SS is already being affected (income taxes) as she works PT for our town. So who does that leave? Here - we have only about 5% unemployment. This then gets you into the basic 'unemployables', the lazy, the untrainables, those with felony records, drug and alcohol problems to fill those low end, but important job. We can also discuss the companies with a pile of cash - that will not replace help or even expand until they know what the 2700 pages of Obamacare plus the 16,000 pages of new regulations based on that law will be doing to them. Then there are the hundreds of other new regulations (taxes and fees?) that the Obama Administration has levied.

I guess I got a little of the subject, but that unemployment situation is a legacy of this administration - and it just went back up to 8.3% as reported today. And those libs that want to chime in that it's Bush's fault, don't forget that the last two+ years of his Presidency, the Dems controlled both houses crippling any repairs to employment and finances.

Our friend in Washington

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Originally Posted by Evolvo

I too am afraid for the future of our country. I just see the threat coming from the Right, not the Left.

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Well we half agree... :)

I just see the threat coming from Politicians.. ALL of them are not to be trusted!