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"Oklahoma is the only state that Obama did not carry one county in the last election...

While everyone is focusing on Arizona 's new law, look what Oklahoma has been doing!!!!


An update from Oklahoma:
Oklahoma law passed, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in D.C., along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! HB 1330

Guess what.......... Oklahoma did it anyway.


Oklahoma recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. HB 1804. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake.

Guess what.......... Oklahoma did it anyway.


Recently we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegal's to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional SB 1102

Guess what......... Oklahoma did it anyway.


Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. Joining Texas, Montana, and Utah as the only states to do so.
More states are likely to follow: Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, Mississippi and Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again. HJR 1003

The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the criminals. The Liberals didn't like it -- But ....
Guess what........... Oklahoma did it anyway.




Recently, the state has voted and passed a law that ALL driver's license exams will be printed in English, and only English, and no other language. They have been called racist for doing this, but the fact is that ALL of the road signs are in English only. If you want to drive in Oklahoma, you must read and write English. Really simple.

By the way, the Liberals don't like any of this either.

Guess what...who cares... Oklahoma is doing it anyway. "


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Brings new meaning to "I'm just an Okie from Muskogee", doesn't it???? Maybe with a few states setting the precedent, others will realize they don't have to cower under to the might Feds!!!!!!!
Remember when State's Rights actually meant something?

I'm pretty sure that the Missouri legislature passed a law requiring that the drivers license test be in English, but I'm not sure if it was signed in to law. We have a democrat for a governor and I'm hoping that will change in November.

I only wish the rest of the country would follow. Common sense just doesn't seem to count for anything anymore. It's too late here in California, but maybe there is hope for the rest of the country!

The US Constitution is being trampled on so much by the current administration, I almost feel like I'm living in one of the banana republics I used to travel to on business.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i8...ff/trample.jpg

"In front of the White House a man is sitting on a park bench in the throes of depression. He is surrounded by all 43 presidents. In the forefront, purposefully ignoring the depressed man is President Obama, whose right foot is stepping on the Constitution. James Madison is next to Obama, pleading with him to stop.

This tableau is called “The Forgotten Man”, a painting by Jon McNaughton, an artist who is known for his politically-charged work.

The painting, which uses objects such as discarded dollar bills as symbols and scraps of paper with individual constitutional amendments scrawled onto them............"

One of my brothers forwarded this to me this morning:



The book, "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand foretells this condition.

A word worth remembering...

Could not find it in an old Webster's.
Googled it and discovered it is a recently "coined" new word found on a T shirt on eBay.
Getting really close to the bone!
Finally, a word to describe our current situation.

"Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) -

A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers."

Jim

We need to do what Chavex did in Venzula---capitalize the oil here and use it here--let the oil company own the well, pump, tankers, refineries and gas stations-----ne need for wall street

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We need to do what Chavex did in Venzula---capitalize the oil here and use it here--let the oil company own the well, pump, tankers, refineries and gas stations-----ne need for wall street

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You HAVE to be kidding - another government entity would be floundering!!! Petroven is a disaster as is the Venezuelan economy because of that nationalization!!

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Do people really think we became the most productive and influential country in the the world, not to mention the wealthiest and most inventive (no coincidence those two go together) as a result of Government direction and ownership? History is full of examples of dictator run countries/economies with a record that doesn't/hasn't ever shined. Again that old saying rings true: Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I thought this was a joke forum---

The jist of my post is that---why does wall street have anything to do with this besides trading stock in the oil COMPANIES???? not a futures market to manipulate the pump prices--The oil companies should have the wells, pumps, tankers--trucks/rail cars/pipe system to get the crude to the refinery and the refined products to their stations---

Why are wall street ers mading extra money on the fuel I buy at say a Shell station, that was from a Shell owned well and refinery????

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I thought this was a joke forum---

The jist of my post is that---why does wall street have anything to do with this besides trading stock in the oil COMPANIES???? not a futures market to manipulate the pump prices--The oil companies should have the wells, pumps, tankers--trucks/rail cars/pipe system to get the crude to the refinery and the refined products to their stations---

Why are wall street ers mading extra money on the fuel I buy at say a Shell station, that was from a Shell owned well and refinery????

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Unfortunately - it isn't just Wall Street as many, if not most are off shore speculators, with London, Hong Kong and other foreign commodity markets doing much of the price fixing/gouging.

And to expand on Dave's comment, keep in mind that our domestic oil companies only have direct sway over less than 10% of all the crude used in the world on a day to day basis. Somehow we have this notion (well, it's not a "somehow" it's the result of intense propaganda) that the US oil companies control everything that happens with petroleum.

I guess I'm not getting through to anyone here about this "speculator" thing. If you refuse to accept that the term "speculator" has been manipulated to a pejorative utilized by politicians and their cronies to sway public opinion, then the notion of what a commodities market does will never make sense. Earlier I used the word "financing" in reference to these folks. I find it easier to make the point using an agricultural reference as more people are more open minded to that market. A farmer will sell his future, expected crop yield to the commodities market (where the "speculators" work) in order to get a "guaranteed" price (usually profitable) for his efforts. This contract to buy becomes collateral so that the farmer can borrow money to buy seed, fertilizer, equipment, labor, and whatever else he has to spend ahead of time to make the crop happen. It's a cash flow tool to assist him to grow the crop. It works similarly for other commodities such as metals, and various energy products among others. These are all capital intensive businesses. The need investment capital ahead of production to make things happen............hopfully with a positive outcome.

If people understood that there would be more attention paid to the factors that impede production....................exactly what the politicians don't want to have happen. Is the commodities market a perfect system? No, but it is a free market system (well, mostly) and, if not meddled with too much, will adapt to market conditions as they change. Is there a chance that there might be some illegal, dishonest actions taken? Sure, possible, and we have laws in place to deal with that, if applied appropriately. But the alternative often offered, "the government should.............", is also subject to dishonest behavior. I wonder if it's a coincidence that Solyndra and speculator both begin with an S?

Thamks for the analogy Bob, that actually makes a lot of sense! So our flux has to do with people constantly guessing what the future value of oil will cost to produce, and people borrowing against that in order to produce that. Does that sound about right?

As I understand it, that "futures" contract is the right to buy some set amount of (insert commodity) at a set price, such as a guy may pay $500 for the right to buy 10,000 barrels of oil six months from now at $125/barrel, even if oil is selling for $100/barrel today. He's betting that prices are going to rise above $125/barrel, and is willing to bet his $500 on that fact. On that date he exercises his option, and the person who sold the futures contract must turn over 10,000 barrels of oil in return for payment of $1,250,000. If the seller bought that oil months before when it was at $75/barrel he pockets a tidy profit of $500,000 less his costs for storage. However, if he "sold short", banking on the fact that the price of oil was going to fall over the next six months and he really does not own 10,000 barrels of oil he must then buy that amount on the open market, and turn it over to the futures guy. If the price that day is below $125/barrel then he makes out (he only buys if the guy exercises the futures conract, which he won't if he can buy on the open market for less), as he can easily fill the commitment he made and pocket a little profit. However, if he "sold short" and oil is selling for $150/barrel then he puts out $1,500,000 to buy the 10,000barrels, and turns around and sells it for $1,250,000 - a loss of $250,000 for playing the futures market. The guys buying futures risk some money speculating, but the guys who "sell short" on big buys are dancing with the devil, IMO.

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As I understand it, that "futures" contract is the right to buy some set amount of (insert commodity) at a set price, such as a guy may pay $500 for the right to buy 10,000 barrels of oil six months from now at $125/barrel, even if oil is selling for $100/barrel today. He's betting that prices are going to rise above $125/barrel, and is willing to bet his $500 on that fact. On that date he exercises his option, and the person who sold the futures contract must turn over 10,000 barrels of oil in return for payment of $1,250,000. If the seller bought that oil months before when it was at $75/barrel he pockets a tidy profit of $500,000 less his costs for storage. However, if he "sold short", banking on the fact that the price of oil was going to fall over the next six months and he really does not own 10,000 barrels of oil he must then buy that amount on the open market, and turn it over to the futures guy. If the price that day is below $125/barrel then he makes out (he only buys if the guy exercises the futures conract, which he won't if he can buy on the open market for less), as he can easily fill the commitment he made and pocket a little profit. However, if he "sold short" and oil is selling for $150/barrel then he puts out $1,500,000 to buy the 10,000barrels, and turns around and sells it for $1,250,000 - a loss of $250,000 for playing the futures market. The guys buying futures risk some money speculating, but the guys who "sell short" on big buys are dancing with the devil, IMO.

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The operative word in your dissertation is "storage" or the lack there of as the "speculator/commodities trader" doesn't store anything except the paper he/she is shuffling.
It really galls me that some clown sitting on Wall Street can, on a whim or someone farting in the Middle East can instantly drive the price of oil up irrelevant of supply and demand. And comparing farm futures to oil futures is like comparing apples to oranges as the oil producer is not borrowing on his future "crop". Don't get me wrong, I'm all for free market, but it does bother me greatly that a hand full of clowns can determine the market price with total impunity.

Did the Blamer/Partier/Vacationer-in-Chief finally make a fatal blunder? You can bet this will be grist for the 'other' side:

"We don't need to exaggerate what happened. All we need is to review what Obama, our President, was caught telling Russia's current president, Dmitri Medvedev, while the two met at the 2012 Nuclear Security Summit in Seoul, South Korea. Neither man knew the microphones were live and picked up their exchange. Here it is:

President Obama: On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it's important for him to give me space.

President Medvedev: Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you...

President Obama: (reaching over and putting his hand on Mr. Medvedev's knee): This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.

President Medvedev: I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir."

From: Obama's Remark to Medvedev Reveals Troubling Insight

Sad what this man has done to America in three short years:CRY::CRY:

Nothing new there. A second term President has nothing to lose and can do whatever he wants without having to worry about re-election... Probably on the 'things to do list' right after the pipeline!!!! The real problem still remains do we really want to be stuck with the alternative the Republican Party seems to be offering??? Is their a President Etch-a-Sketch in our future and is that what we need?

Also interesting is that today the US Supreme Court continues to hear arguments on the Health Care Bill.... will they strike down any of it, all of it, or some of it???

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Also interesting is that today the US Supreme Court continues to hear arguments on the Health Care Bill.... will they strike down any of it, all of it, or some of it???

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When Obamacare was written, the outfit that did it left out an important part that allowed it to have pieces declared invalid - which means all or nothing. This is called a 'severability clause'. Gonna be interesting

Does it bother anyone else that the Andrew Breitbart, who brought such things as the ACORN fiasco into the light and had recently announced that he would be releasing information from Obama's college days that would be difficult/impossible to defend in the upcoming election died at age 43 recently, totally unexpected and supposedly from "...natural causes" on the eve of the release?
http://realityfail.com/2012/03/whist...itbarts-death/

I agree, lame duck presidents in second terms have a lot more flexibility without fear of political fallout, but given the track record we've seen in the past three years I'm honestly not sure that our country, as we know it today, will survive through 2016, or that we will ever be able to recover from the economic and world political situation that results from a second term which will likely be worse than the first. Look at the political cartoons from outside the US to see how the US is perceived by others in the world today and then ask youself why our press chooses to paint a different picture in our news and political comentary. Our administration has no concept of how business really works. They believe that they can simply mandate "change", and it will happen. Meeting resistance to health care and contraceptive benefits?? We'll simply give it away and tell the insurance companies that they must pay for it - they won't care, and they've got lots of money, right? Want better gas mileage?? We'll tell Detroit to magically make it happen, and they can pay for that too, right? We got the Chevy Volt from such a federal mandate, declaring that Detroit must market alternative fuel vehicles. Alternative Energy?? Solyndra, which had no viable product line, proven technology or business plan received $535MM in loan guarantees to shift the US away from fossil fuels and nuclear power generation. The fact is, I cannot come up with one example of a positive "change" made in the past three years. and that was the battle cry in 2008. Am I missing something?

Ok, everybody who's honest and has a reasonable retention of their brain function already knows that Obama never was, never will be a good president, none the thing a lot of us have issue with. My questions are still up in the air waiting for answers;

1. Who's going to do a better/different job?
2. How are they going to do it?
3. What are they going to do?

Or, is this just the year we vote for 'none of the above' and wait for the country to just die a natural death? The damn media has people so convinced that negativity is the only important thing that I haven't heard anything positive from anyone running for public office in any capacity!!!! Is there anyone out there with a real plan, and not just a bunch of vague promises that make good sound clips??? Remember when both parties actually published a platform containing the items they would accomplish and how they would accomplish it??? I guess that went out of style the same time as having people in public office who would actually take a stand and voice their plans to make things better and not just flip-flop on an issue to remain on the most popular side...

Or, is this just the natural course of the last 3 decades of "politics as usual" leading to the demise of a once great country????

Sad times. I know what you mean Dave. In the past debates were about this is our plan, this is how we will achieve it. Today the politicians just bash eachother like the WWF Smackdown, and the biggest mouth wins in the end. All I know is if Obummmer gets elected again, the dignity of the country will decline, the social services that you and I pay for, will increase at a cost to you and me, but probably not a benefit, the deficit will climb, and our right to bear arms, will continue to be whittled away to nothing.
I don't like Mitt either, but at this point he's looking more like the lesser of two evils. As my friend says, your not voting for who you want for President anymore, your voting against who you don't want!

[ As my friend says, your not voting for who you want for President anymore, your voting against who you don't want![/QUOTE]

I truly believe that is how we got where we are now.

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And comparing farm futures to oil futures is like comparing apples to oranges as the oil producer is not borrowing on his future "crop".

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Ken, you need to do a little research. Oil exploration and production companies are HUGE borrowers of operating capital.

Charlie You hit the nail on the head!

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[ As my friend says, your not voting for who you want for President anymore, your voting against who you don't want!

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I truly believe that is how we got where we are now.[/QUOTE]

Some one explain how a female VP would have been worse than where we are now.

It really sounds like you guys are headed down the same rutted track that our little country was headed..We were really quite lucky that we had a change of government,cos another term of Red Helen and her bunch of tree hugging queer(take that any way you wish)mates,were dead set on turning NZ into a little Red community.. Biggest problem now,is turning everything around,which means real hard work,,and cap it off with the expense of the Christchurch eathquake rebuild etc,and trying to convince the lazy beggars who Helen told''you dont have to work'',that they DO have to work,cos taxpayers dont want to feed drones..Our current government is into its second term,,but we need a bit more time to make the country stronger.. I am still amazed that no one has ''Abraham Lincolned'' Obama yet..:eek: All I can see,is that the current generation (and a lot of the older ones too)just want to sit around and hold out their hands for a freebie.. I keep remembering a certain famous quote..''Ask not what your country can do for you,but what you can do for your country''....Doesnt seem to apply any more,does it??

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It really sounds like you guys are headed down the same rutted track that our little country was headed....Our current government is into its second term,,but we need a bit more time to make the country stronger..
I keep remembering a certain famous quote..''Ask not what your country can do for you,but what you can do for your country''....Doesnt seem to apply any more,does it??

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Robin, that famous quote was in response to that rutted track! This isn't anything new, it's just the evolution is getting us closer to the edge of the cliff. I believe Roosevelt set us on the track....

We better come up with a different engineer soon, or the weight thats already over the cliff will drag the rest with it.

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We better come up with a different engineer soon, or the weight thats already over the cliff will drag the rest with it.

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Well, I'm now of the opinion that I'm tired of "wasting" my votes and "we" end up with a bunch of thieves running the show. I hope we fall over the edge and get to start anew! By then we'll be bankrupt and the dutch & chinese will own it all anyway!

I 'm sure the last election was bought and I hope in the coming one they are broke

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I 'm sure the last election was bought and I hope in the coming one they are broke

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Didja see the # 3 republican hopeful selling pictures? Yep! you too can stand on-stage with the hopeful and have your picture taken for a "DONATION" !! I guess that's the only difference between the politicians and the streetwalkers.. "THEY" call it a donation! :rolleyes::HMMM::rolleyes:

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Didja see the # 3 republican hopeful selling pictures? Yep! you too can stand on-stage with the hopeful and have your picture taken for a "DONATION" !! I guess that's the only difference between the politicians and the streetwalkers.. "THEY" call it a donation! :rolleyes::HMMM::rolleyes:

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That's SOP with candidates. Heck, not too long ago you could have had a picture taken with Obumma for a mere pittance - 10 biggies. That is right after you paid 30 of those biggies to eat rubber chicken and frozen peas cooked to mush. Cleveland, if I recall

I wonder if they got that idea from sports stars who charge little kids for their autograph at card shows, or vice versa???:LOL::LOL::LOL:

Bunch of money hungry, greedy sob's in both cases, anyway.

“Fathom the odd hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured, but not everyone must prove they are a citizen.” Ben Stein

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“Fathom the odd hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured, but not everyone must prove they are a citizen.” Ben Stein

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Right now Tejas is being accosted by the ACLU and the Justice Dept over voter identity proof, regardless of the fact that the Supremes said it was ok. Afraid the Hispanic UDD's* wouldn't be able to vote even tho the state would provide FREE photo IDs

Last century when I first voted, I had to present my voter ID card before I could cast my ballot. We worked as election inspectors for our county until they replaced the tried and proven mechanical machines with electronics - and I don't ever recall a single challenge. If you could scrawl something next to your sig of record, you were fine to vote. Some - gotta say they didn't look close, but ...........

* UDD = UnDocumented Democrat

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It really sounds like you guys are headed down the same rutted track that our little country was headed..We were really quite lucky that we had a change of government,cos another term of Red Helen and her bunch of tree hugging queer(take that any way you wish)mates,were dead set on turning NZ into a little Red community.. Biggest problem now,is turning everything around,which means real hard work,,and cap it off with the expense of the Christchurch eathquake rebuild etc,and trying to convince the lazy beggars who Helen told''you dont have to work'',that they DO have to work,cos taxpayers dont want to feed drones..Our current government is into its second term,,but we need a bit more time to make the country stronger.. I am still amazed that no one has ''Abraham Lincolned'' Obama yet..:eek: All I can see,is that the current generation (and a lot of the older ones too)just want to sit around and hold out their hands for a freebie.. I keep remembering a certain famous quote..''Ask not what your country can do for you,but what you can do for your country''....Doesnt seem to apply any more,does it??

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Robin you sure dribbled a bib-full there!
No argument from me!
You
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one of the thing i love about texas . we tend to tell the fed to
stuff it. it's time washington stayed the hell out of texas since they do nothing for us anyway. stuff all the fed test up their butt and let the teachers teach children to learn. i still think perry was the only one pit bull enough to go deal with washington. if your gonna send someone up there make sure he's a snake eater.

Shine

I have thought about Texas politics since 1963---

My biggest thought these days is that the BOYS are saving Rick for 2016 because there's still enough O'Bs to possibly keep him in---

I was just over at the County seat here for a property tax thing and was looking at the pics of all the USA presidents---can't describe my inner feelings as I thought about the history of OUR COUNTRY and WORLD as I went around the room.

I do have to suggest that for everybody, if any where near you is the Presidential pictures are posted , go and take a half hour and review/rever the past----

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one of the thing i love about texas . we tend to tell the fed to
stuff it. it's time washington stayed the hell out of texas since they do nothing for us anyway. stuff all the fed test up their butt and let the teachers teach children to learn. i still think perry was the only one pit bull enough to go deal with washington. if your gonna send someone up there make sure he's a snake eater.

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Since Tejas is a republic, I'm waiting for them to secede. When that happens, maybe we'll move there (move in with one of our kids ... one has been begging us to, the other, well that's another story)

Not sure if Perry was the right person, but it is true that we do need someone with the cojones that will fix at least the past three years of 'misadventures'

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one of the thing i love about texas . we tend to tell the fed to
stuff it. it's time washington stayed the hell out of texas since they do nothing for us anyway. stuff all the fed test up their butt and let the teachers teach children to learn. i still think perry was the only one pit bull enough to go deal with washington. if your gonna send someone up there make sure he's a snake eater.

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I sure as heck don't see any snake eaters in this bunch competing for the Presidency, just snakes!!!