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Yeah, and it's been that way for years!!! This trip to Chicago certainly wasn't any first time deal!!! I heard when President Reagan flew into the NASCAR race way back when Petty was finishing his career that air traffic up and down the East Coast was shut down and or delayed for the entire day!!!!! As I said, the President doesn't set this stuff up, some silly bureaucrat that has zero consideration of the costs does it all.... Certainly not the only nor the biggest example of fraud, waste, and abuse of our tax dollars that we get jammed down our throats every day.... I agree that it's a money wasting bunch of bs.....but who out in Washington wants to do ANYTHING to curtail any forms of fraud, waste, and abuse??? Heck, the Oversight committees higher outside consultants to do their investigating and write reports on how much money is wasted on various projects and programs....

How many government salaries and jobs have been created with the only result being more of our tax dollars wasted??? None of this has been a first time deal just since President Obama was elected...

Map: Presidential Election Winners by County | Election 2008 | washingtonpost.com

Did any of you see how the 2008 election broke down by county????take a look----------

Yep, but I guess the most dense population is always the highest welfare recipient, therefore strongest democrat support.

Originally Posted by firebird77clone

Yep, but I guess the most dense population is always the highest welfare recipient, therefore strongest democrat support.

That's called buying votes.

“…..Yep, but I guess the most dense population is always the highest welfare recipient, therefore strongest democrat support……”

In all fairness it wasn’t/isn’t necessarily always that way. Your population centers USED to have a concentration of industry which in the majority of cases are/were unionized. Union workers are traditionally a large
democratic voting bloc, something that has been passed down from generation to generation.

When the factories started shutting down or relocating the unemployment/welfare rate soared. So you NOW have a traditionally Democratic areas that are dependent on the party that promises to give them the most…..in the form government assistance.

The real long term key and what is especially important for this election is who the people believe can REALLY bring jobs back to these areas.


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Absolutely, Mike!!! People do not go on welfare because they prefer it to making a decent wage. People don't live in the projects because they prefer it to a nice house in the country. The industries and plants shut down in the inner cities and the people stayed. Would a Republican choose to live in the street and let his family starve vs. taking a welfare check? I doubt it.... There is no one or no plan that is going to put all these folks back to work tomorrow, no matter who's President it's going to take a long time to recover from this financial catastrophe.

Sounds to me like some folks still have nothing positive to say about anything, and are already considering President Obama the winner of the election.... Better hope the Romney campaign hasn't adopted this same mindset or the election will be little more then a formality!!! Most people are just completely fed up with all the negative bs, and the one's who had not yet decided who to vote for will probably vote for the candidate offering something positive as a solution rather then the candidate spewing the most negative about the other guy....

Oh well, maybe the election is already over??? Let the childish name calling continue, and "enjoy" President Obama's next 4 years in office!!! Maybe complaining about everything folks view as bad is just easier then doing something positive to change things? Perhaps the vote by county map for 2012 will be the same as 2008? It's my opinion that the candidate who wins this election will be the candidate who has the most folks out saying good things about him and his plan to bring this country out of the present debacle and not the one spreading all the doom and gloom and bad mouthing the opposition!

Dave a common thread in a lot of your posts has been the negativity that has been so prevalent during this campaign season. I thank you for that, it has given me something to reflect on and you are absolutely right. During any presidential election with an incumbent you have a record that can be pointed to by the opposition. Of course the challenger has never held the office so it’s only best guess if he is going to make good on his campaign promises.

I personally feel that in large part that has been brought on/done by the politicians themselves and ends up as simple “trickle down” to the voting public. The reason it’s been sooo effective this year is that the majority of people on both sides do not like the direction the country is headed. I honestly feel that on both sides there are way too many people who are reading the headlines and not the article, or if they do read the article, do not search out an opposing view point…….and of course the truth normally fall somewhere in the middle.

My daughter and I had a very good conversation last week on a subject my wife had declared taboo in our house……politics (Missy and I occasionally do stuff like that just to keep her mom on her toes LOL).

Politically Missy and I are on opposite sides of the fence. We discussed the issues that are important to us and why we thought who we were voting for would be a better choice to fix them. At the end of it turns out that Missy is a lot more conservative than I thought, and I’m a lot more liberal than she gave me credit for. We actually agreed on more things than we disagreed about. There were no raised voices and in the end no hurt feelings. I didn’t change her mind, just as she didn’t change mine but in the end we better understood why.

Bottom line……..both sides also have to LISTEN…….something I wish our politicians were better at.


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If elected president I will begin bussing unemployed/welfare receiving work age people out of the cities into the rural areas of the country---some for agriculture and some for energy and some for road/transportation routes/pipelines---

The first group will do concrete/foundation work for SIMPLE housing that the second group will build houses which of course will include electricians, plumbers, painters,roofers,etc--also within this work group event will be the construction of schools, simple places of worship, and a system of general stores for food, clothing, shoes(just like the stores back home when I was young)

When the community is pretty much complete, we will send in the resident groups that will have under going training for the jobs in the area---farming, mining, oil drilling, etc-------

We will build a road system for light traffic(no 80,000 lb trucks) for scheduled BUS service which will connect to major transport routes.

These initial jobs will all be paid about the same $$$$$ with oppertunities to move up in the skill sets---(electrician/plumber get more pay than the guy with a shovel)
People are going to be issued hard toed work boots and gloves-----------

The idea is to spread out the mountains of total ************* that these cities have become , get folks to work, kids in school,people learn some skills that aren't video games---------

But , I probably won't have enough votes to be elected---

Jerry - before the bus was even there an ACLU lawyer would have an injunction prohibiting those unfair and inhuman acts of -- gasp ---- gag -- making those downtrodden and unfortunate people to ---- to -- to holy s@#$!! actually work. Leading that parade of ACLU drones would be Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Van Jones.


PS - I agree with your concept and have even suggested that our county put those poor people to work, even some of the jailed folks could contribute.

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about the only similar project is making more jails and guard jobs----------what school has a computer class for prison guards??????only gloves worn these days are latex????????????what happened to cotton or leather work gloves????Oh yes we do have leather and wool linied gloves but doesn't PETA object to those????????

It would be nice if someone ran for office, stating the above ideas, which I agree with, but also took one law off the books each month, and downsized government to it's original intent. Most Politicians would be terrified to run if they thought they might have to really work for a living, intstead of spending everyone elses money.

Originally Posted by stovens

It would be nice if someone ran for office, stating the above ideas, which I agree with, but also took one law off the books each month, and downsized government to it's original intent. Most Politicians would be terrified to run if they thought they might have to really work for a living, intstead of spending everyone elses money.

There should be a 1 or 2 term limit on congress and senate with no pensions or health care..I bet that would slow down the races for office Hell might even get people in there that would be willing to do some good. I know it could be that way if we voted it that way but hell a lot of people don't even vote then sit back and bitch.

Get the movie--Blazing Saddles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!first movie I saw that didn't have a slow spot to go for more pop corn

Dave,
I've seen several times the statement, "People do not go on welfare because they prefer it to making a decent wage". That may be true in South Dakota, and I won't argue that it's true for the guy or gal that's been working for five, ten or more years, falls on hard times, loses his/her house, car, goes into bankruptcy, and is faced with welfare or nothing. However, in the larger metro areas we have a core group of people who are very much dependent on welfare, and for many they are second, third and even fourth generation welfare recipients who have never, ever held a job. They may tell you that they do not want to be on welfare, but they will also come up with fifty reasons that they cannot work. The mentality is is that someone "owes" them what they want, and they have absolutely no concept of working, living within means, and saving to get their wants. If there is someone out there who has it, then they want it too, and if told that they cannot have it because they have to earn it the crying starts. They resent you for everything that you have, and for any security that you may have attained.

Please don't get me wrong. I have nothing against helping those truly in need, but I do have a problem with the folks who manipulate the system to not only get what they need, but to use the system to have their big screen tv, cable with all the movie channels, smart phones, etc, etc, all on welfare. I have a problem with a food stamp system that lets people buy more expensive food than I buy, or where someone pulls up in an $80,000 Mercedes walks in and pays for their porterhouse steaks with food stamps, or where the federal food stamps are sold to buy drugs, liquor or whatever else while children are eating peanut butter & crackers. IMO the federal welfare systems, including food stamps and everything else needs to be ended, and turned over to the states so that the states can in turn push it down to counties, and counties can push it down to cities where people that are able bodied can be put to work at the local level, improving the areas where they live and building their local economies. Those who truly cannot work should be cared for, but monitored to ensure that we break the cycle of "the world owes me because...." It's been said before, but I believe it to be true, and where we are headed unless we change directions as a society (apart from election rhetoric):

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
-- Dr. Adrian Rogers

The argument to that is quite easy. For generations, many of us know that hard work pays dividends. and For generations, there is no work in the ghetto, welfare is the only way to survive. Those who sell their food stamps, and all the other things are the minority. In their environment perhaps that's no more serious then fudging on your income tax a bit??? If we hear of isolated cases, then everyone on welfare must be doing it? That assumption is based on stereotyping, and stereotyping is more often then nut very inaccurate. Just where would you put people to work? A plan like Jerry suggested would be great, but also very expensive and would cause existing business to lose work. There is no easy or quick solution. If living in the projects and living on welfare is all you've grown up with, and you are completely surrounded by it....where is the incentive or even the reasoning to think it is possible to do anything else??? Easy to say what we would do, but then we haven't spent our entire life in poverty either.....

It would seem that we all are products of our environment, regardless of what environment we come from....