Sad to see about another tripl 7 crash----If there are any terms come up about any flight conditions, etc with this aircraft , please feel free to ask ----altho its been a few years since I was crew member, some things don't change--------------
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Sad to see about another tripl 7 crash----If there are any terms come up about any flight conditions, etc with this aircraft , please feel free to ask ----altho its been a few years since I was crew member, some things don't change--------------
The integrity and soundness of the 777 has been well established for 11/12 years. For it to suddenly vanish with no mayday indicates something other than a problem with the plane.:mad:
Jack.
jack---I see you are from Issaquah---Do you work for Boeing???
B777 came out around 93---I flew it till end of 1997---
This flight being 6 I/2 hours would of had 2 pilots---over 8 hours there is relief crew member---
That area of the world has thousands of possibilities, and most likely the aircraft wasn't the cause .
The news reports we are receiving point that way too Jerry, absolutely no contact from anybody on board seems to point towards an onboard explosion of some sort and differently not aircraft failure. Very sad for all the families waiting and praying for a miracle .
word out now is that two passengers had stolen pass ports--------
last word was 2 hours into flight----that's about when a pilot would have made a potty trip, maybe other pilot let xxxxxx in by mistake a minute or so later---------
I would make a prediction that this is a test by terrorists, and can ecpect to see it down the road in the near future on some flight to the USA
Hi Jerry,
No, I don't work for Boeing but know many people who did or still do. Just repeating what is a well known fact,:) I didn't remember that the 777 had been around that long, my how time flies, (pun intended).;) My personal thoughts pretty much follow yours.:HMMM:
Jack.
Yesterday a female reporter on Fox News said that "there have been numerous problems with the Boeing 777 in the past" (or some words to that effect) and she cited the accident in San Francisco a few months back as an example.You can hardly blame that one on the airplane. The first officer who was attempting the landing had fewer hours than I had on a 1946 Cessna 140 I owned back in the 1970's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack F
As Jerry indicated, the 777 has been in service since 1993.
The deaths are the first ever for that aircraft.
Jim
A few different sceneros----------
A: as I already indicated--a terrorist test-------they have done these before
B:Aircraft blown up by altitude triggered bomb ( 35,000 and/or 7-8000 cabin altitude)
C:Captain had a 777 simulator at his home?????? He could of flown the a/c somewhere else---he had 7 hours fuel----last radar contact was as it was reaching fl350 and it started a turn? transponder turned off,they could of flown for hours (night time) in another direction--while co pilot was out of cockpit, captain could of put on O2 mask and turned off cabin pressurization--every one except for him would of expired from lack of oxygen, then he could of flown anywhere within aprox 4000 mile radius---------
Reasons for him to do this???? the bird, drugs, cargo (sometimes there are tons of GOLD shipped on these flights), etc, etc
D:?????????????
Well if Clown News(Fox) reported anything then its just the opposite!! PeteQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Tracks
Just goes to show that it's all pure conjecture until there is some firm evidence to consider. It would be terrible to have a loved one that was confirmed on that flight, and to have no one that can offer anything certain about their fate.
Have another hit off your bong!Quote:
Originally Posted by prpmmp
Should have known YOU would come the the rescue of clown news!! Now turn on that other open sewer line out of Florida!! Put your old avatar back up! PeteQuote:
Originally Posted by pepi
He may be referring to this morning's (network) newscast that they have ruled out the 12 mile oil slick on the ocean since no debris field developed, and they know very little about who the two guys traveling with stolen passports really are/were. Even the guys who are close to the event are still scratching their heads, so throwing out ideas about what happened from 1/2 way around the world..... I'll leave that to Tom Clancy, Nelson DeMille, and the other wealthy fiction writers.Quote:
Originally Posted by pepi
bush did it ................
see item C: in post #8
i would think being in the area of north korea there would have been several satellites watching. surely a mid air explosion would have been seen.
That's probably why they don't know what happened---everythiny is watching N Korea and Ukraine---nobody looking at Malashia/Viet Nam----if the a/c was stolen/diverted it had a 7 hour range to be anywhere from New Zealand, Aus,Philipines to east Africa, Pakistan,Afganistan-----------
Jerry, help with these questions, inquiring minds want to know.
1, If there was an onboard explosion why wouldn't someone see the debris field or at least a piece of evidence that it came from this 777, if it was over water wouldn't there be debris floating/drifting somewhere?
2, If the flight continued either hi-jacked or ???, why wouldn't it still be seen on someone's radar screen?
Thanks for helping.
Mike
Maybe the 777 was built by the same people who built the 9/11 aircraft that completely disappeared on impact not leaving a trace to be found. Waters of that Gulf where they are looking are believed to get real hot so everything melted on impact.... Damn disaster and very sad for the families waiting to here anything though.
Melted on impact?? Here have a hit from my bong!! PeteQuote:
Originally Posted by Whiplash23T
They are probably looking in the wrong areas-----they need to establish a pecking order on who is controlling what----
If there was an onboard explosion, there would of been large debrious field and scattered for miles---Fl350 is aprox 7 miles up, would of scattered wide and long----------
They are looking in the wrong area, no body working together----
I have a gut feeling this aircraft is 3-4000 miles in some other direction and in one flyable piece.
And about the radars over there----there aren't any out in that direction/part of the world---
Its easier to hide a plane with 200 (well actually 199ft11inch) wing span than a debrius field from an explosion that blows it into several million pieces
I agree with Jerry with it being still flyable. There are all kinds of rumors, but the one thing, I think, is whoever is responsible has done a fine job of hacking the Chinese off.
Thanks Jerry!! This continues to be very interesting, LOTS of unanswered questions and possibilities. Almost like Amelia Earhart but on a larger scale!
Mike
I don't think that the two stolen pass port guys had any thing to do with this---why would they have been supplied with tickets going on to Amsterdam and then two other directions after that??? they probably were just heroin mules------------
This was either a test run for Alqueta or something that the captain planned-----------this a/c is probably 3-4000 miles west----------Africa,Sudan, etc
Very interesting and just listening to our news report now they are saying that the flight had almost completed a U turn when the transponders where turn off, so that reinforces what Jerry is thinking. My only thought is how the hell do you keep 200 plus passengers quite apart from killing them without damaging the aircraft ?
How to keep 200+ pass quiet and in there seats----put on your oxygen mask, turn off the a/c pressurization packs----less than 15 seconds they are unconscious, couple minutes they are all dead.
hate to say it but this plane could very well be made in to delivery system for n bomb ???? with a humam trigger system
i think it will show up when Israel blows it out of the sky .
Possible locations because of same distance as Beigine China---Somola, Yemen, Iran, Pakistan,Sir Lanka
Load it up with explosive, dirty nuke, other chemical weapons----------Now there are over 1000 B 777, can we go intercept all of them????????
It was reported early on that this captain had a B777 semilator at his home---why don't they go back thru his computers and see what he was practicing???? Entirely too much posturing of the Malaysians on this and probably that way because some high level are involved and/or it will expose such complete lack of capability and incompetence that they will be exposed to the point of mass suicides----------China is pushing and maybe will get some results, but in my opinion they need to go to Africa looking for this one------
jerry , what would be the shortest runway for that plane ?
Shine ----that's a tuff question as all the required runway length figures that we work with are bashed on accelerate / stop distances for having adequate length to stop in the event of an engine failure right at V1 speed-----and also obsecal clearance with an engine failure at over V1 that would clear 35 feet IIRC--------Probably anything over 5000 ft on an average temp day( a little headwind helps) would get you airborne-----------
With the hiarchies that still exist between military/civilian ------I don't think that we would successfully get it stopped because we can't intercept every 77 headed our way----I don't think the leadership exists in our government(probably no one else except the Isralies)
https://www.google.com/#q=Malaysia+captains+simulator
Take a look at that simulator set up---------
You could probably get into the system and copy what he had been practicing which in this case of B777 you'd have all the navigation points---------------
i'm sure it is in the sea somewhere but if it turned up in africa i would not be surprised. the going silent and turning just makes no sense to me.
Maybe by the time we get up they will have found something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chinese radar has picked up some floating bits n pieces,,but not sure what yet..Heard it on the news hour and a half ago.. 6PM news in a half hour..Might have more about it..Quote:
Originally Posted by jerry clayton
seems like the unofficial official report is UFO took them------------------
I still say look toward the west---maybe Sir lanka?--------but a straight west from area of question along a ling about 5 degrees north of the equator would take them to Somolya--------------
I also saw something this morning about them raiding the captains home------------hope they don't screw up the evidence of what he was practicing on that simulator----------
They need to check the fuel load on the airplane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!they will probably find that it had an extra 3 or 4 hours-----no problem for captain to get more than needed for the flight---------In fact many flights carry a huge overload of fuel so they don't have to pay extra high costs in some other countries--------------(China jet fuel costs more than Malaysian fuel?)
And it looks like data is pointing to my theory of it being flown west---probably along a line of 5* north lat headed past SirLanks/India toward Somolya/Yemen----------
It is pretty crazy how that plane just vanished. That is a pretty thing to dissappear. I guess only time will tell at this point. Definitely a tragedy to all that may have family on that flight. I can't imagine that it dipped into the ocean without some sort of debris on the surface of the water from impact. It's probabaly under a moss covering hidden by some thugs...................
Found it? Boeing 777-300
Jerry will know all of this,,as a pilot,,but it's interesting reading..
Flight 370: Three key pieces of evidence - World - NZ Herald News