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Do you have to neutralize the phosphoric acid before coating or painting?
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:eek: Dumb question alert!!!!!:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter
Do you have to neutralize the phosphoric acid before coating or painting?
Don,
What do you think happened to the compressor?
What a fluke, I could understand a compressor of lesser known quality goofing up.
Guess you have to chalk it up to "infant mortality".
Let us know what Eaton says.
After it drys (~24 hr) it is non reactive. If you put on more than is necessary to convert the rust it forms a film that should be washed off with water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supa Roosta
Just got off the phone with Steve @ Eaton Compressors. Could not have been nicer or more apologetic. They are sending a new compressor today at no charge, and I will put the old one back on the pallet it comes on, and ship it back later on. He can't imagine what happened, but is not going to take any chances by just sending me a new seal. That is exactly the kind of service I thought they would give me, based on their reputation and the two compressors we have bought so far from them. Family based business with old time business ethics. :) :) :) :)
In the meantime, I slept on it, and have decided to brush on a thin coat of Ospho all over the frame to keep it from rusting till I can shoot primer. When Dan got home last night he said that is what he did on his suspension pieces because some of them were pitted, like the rear axle, and he just wiped it with a damp cloth and primed right over it. Might even be a good thing in the long run, because it will kill any little spots of rust I may have missed in a corner or something.
So, my project for today is pulling out the old compressor and cleaning up the oil spill. And the compressor ONLY weighs 175 lbs.:eek: :eek:
Don
Don, glad to hear that Eaton is on your side.
Not that I expected anything else.
There was a period where I couldn't buy anything with-out it pukeing on me or lack a vital compnent.
I'm not kidding, everything I bought for a period of about almost a year had me bending over and grabbing my ankles.
I started picking items from the back of the shelf, no help.
I'd open them up to make sure everything was accounted for before stepping up to the check-out.
I'd get home and the dam thing would be In-Op or pre broken.
I even tried having my wife go pick up the stuff for me. That was a 50/50 crap shoot. Not the product defect thingy, more in the lines of the wrong item, or she'd see something of like kind only cheaper (sorry dear take it back and get exactly what I asked for).
Finally she had enough too...
I don't know what happened to break the curse, but it was none too fast in happening...
Don, glad to hear that Eaton is going to replace, I proud they are an Ohio company. Good family business, they seem to care for the customer. I got my expansion framed will pour concrete tomorrow. Hope to be able to work on a car for a change.
Brad
Tom: I have had periods in my life like that, could do nothing right. The company I just left had this parts girl there who was into astrology and fortune telling and stuff. She came in one day and announced that "Mercury is going into retrograde (whatever retrograde is?)" and told us that computers and electronic things were going to start crapping out. Right after that our computer crashed, the phones began to screw up, and stuff in general just would not work. She sat proudly at her desk every time something broke and said "see, nobody would believe me." I stayed on her GOOD side after that. Don't need any witches mad at me. :eek: :eek: :eek:
Brad: I saw your post on your slab. That is going to make things a lot easier for you. Bet you're excited to get that done. Looks to be a good size too.
Yep, Eaton is in Ohio, and I couldn't be happier with them. I was responsible for buying the one at the Marina, and it has been flawless for a few years. On mine, as we gearheads know, mechanical things just fail sometimes. I would certainly recommend them to anyone, and would buy there again myself.
Got my frame Ospho'd today, so it will at least not rust until I can get the new compressor in place. I have enough other things to keep me busy, like grinding the front axle smooth, as well as the wishbones, etc. I can use my electric grinders for those items.
Don
In the quality control business, most failures follow what we call the "Bathtub Curve." Higher rate of failures early on due to manufacturing defects, low level of failures through the mid-life, and higher rate of failure later on due to wear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supa Roosta
Every product has its curve. The good ones have a shallow "bathtub." :LOL:
I got a deep bathtub, well deep enough to drown in if u hold my head under the water to long..................LOL
Brad
Don glad to see they reacted so quickly. Portable compressors are great for little work but can work you on larger jobs .
Hi Don, I sent you a PM, hope it helps a bit.
Mike
Got it, and passed it on Mike. Thanks. He was deciding between the Hemi and a sbc, and I know some Hemis are more desirable than others and easier to get stuff for. And since you are the guy to go to on Hemi's...........:) :) :)
Thanks again.
Don
I have been sort of dormant over the past few days on the T, because I am a little dead in the water without the compressor. Didn't realize how much you depend on it for air grinders and tools.
The new one is going to be at the terminal tomorrow, so I can go pick it up (I tracked it today) and I got the old one out and found the problem. It was not a seal, one of the cylinders was totally loose on the crankcase. I could turn all four bolts that hold it down with my fingers. Evidently, someone was sleeping on the assembly line, and I never thought there was a reason to check it before I put it in service. The other 2 heads are real tight.
I will still send this one back, because it pumped every bit of oil out of the crankcase, and I'm sure the bearings have suffered. You can bet I check the ones on the new compressor before it gets used.
Don
Bummer about the compressor!:mad:
I know what you mean about depending on them. A large portion of the tools I use are pneumatic. Mine is an old gasoline job I converted to electric. I'd sure be in a bind if it died.:CRY:
Mike
Don, we're starting to go through withdrawl. Just a picture of something, the new compressor, the shipping pallet, or even the oil spot left by the old one.
If something doesn't change soon i'm going to have to go out and work on my own, and you will be held responsible for the consequenses to my wallet.:LOL: :LOL:
I've decided my next post will feature a painted frame, I've played with this thing long enough. :o :o :o :3dSMILE: :3dSMILE:
The compressor did come, and I got it installed, works fine. I also did some work to my sandblast cabinet because I have lots of parts that will need stripped down, and I have never been happy with the cabinets the way they were.
We have two, and both are the typical Harbor Freight models, and stupid stuff like the light blowing out and they leak sand all over when you are using them, made them unpleasant to use. So I stripped one down for parts, and rebuilt the other one. Put a new flourescent light in it and hooked up a shop vac to suck out the dust, so now I can see what I am blasting. I also caulked every seam and put a double gasket on the door and another latch, so that is no longer spills sand all over the place.
Dan saw where someone made a filter to go before the shop vac, out of a five gallon bucket and lid, so I made one today. You fill it about 3/4 full of water, and the hose from the blast cabinet, and the one to the shop vac are above the water line. The idea is that the sand dust gets sucked into the bucket and drops into the water. It actually worked fine, until the new shop vac I bought today died from running continuously. I'll take it back tomorrow and upgrade to a better one.
Anyway, I got my front wishbones and motor mounts blasted, ground smooth, and Ospho'd, and as soon as I get the front axle , backing plates, and spindles done, I will shoot those in primer, and maybe even some color.
Thanks Ron, for keeping my build in mind. I am just at that spot where my days now are going to be spent getting stuff ready for paint, and hopefully actually painting some of them Sunday. Very boring part of the build process.
Don
Upward and onward! Painting and starting final assembly is always a fun part of the build.
Thanks ron, i was just about to get on him for no progress, but you beat me to it. I hope your painting goes better than mine did tonight, more fisheyes in the primer than a fish store, guess thats what i get for buying a cheap gun, i also thought i preped it right, but its really humid and out i knew better, but i rushed and wanted to get it ready to paint tomorrow, hopefully i can save it and still get it done.
Hey don post some pics of your vacumn setup please, i`d like to see how you set it up, i have a good idea of how it works, they have the same setup at the home depot for drywall sanding.
[QUOTE=hotroddaddy]Thanks ron, i was just about to get on him for no progress, but you beat me to it. I hope your painting goes better than mine did tonight, more fisheyes in the primer than a fish store, guess thats what i get for buying a cheap gun,
Its not the gun that causes fish eye. You are getting oil or water in the air. :CRY:
I have setup like that in my wood shop you can duy the premade lids from Rockler, it doesn't use water for collecting wood it just let's the heavier stuff fall in the bucket so it doesn't clog your filter as quick.
Glad to see your still moving forward. How is Don II doing on his bucket?
And as allway's thank's for the time you devote to us. Ron
Don's bucket is stored under tons of stuff. He is in the process of moving, and has stored a lot of his extra household stuff in his portion of the shop (that's one reason I can't get my frame outside to paint it real easily :( ) plus he has been playing 6 days a week, sometimes two gigs a day, so the T has taken a back seat for a while. Once he gets the stuff moved out of there Dan and I are going to spend a day getting the mounts and various brackets welded up for him. When Summer comes the music business slows down, and he will have time to come over to work on it.
It sounds like those bucket things have been around for a while and used in some other industries, but I just heard about them. The concept is pretty good. Gotta take the burned up shop vac back to Home Depot today and do some more blasting. By the end of today I should have the entire front end blasted, ground, and ready for at least primer tomorrow.
At least, that's the plan.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Don
Don, I can't wait for the little stuff you have to do. Brake lines, fuel lines, and wiring. Then I know your going to be driving it soon.
Brad
Me too, Brad. I think when it gets up on wheels (painted the right color :3dSMILE: ) that will start signaling the end is near.
Speaking of color, I vowed I wasn't going to post another picture until I had some color to show. Well, how about GRAY?? :rolleyes: I spent all day yesterday DA-ing the frame one more time, and filling some of the welds with filler to smooth them just a little. I still want the welds to show, but I just softened them slightly.
So this morning, bright and early I went to the shop, wheeled the frame outside, and applied 3 coats of epoxy primer to the entire frame. I had planned on letting that cook in the hot Florida sun for a few hours, then scuffing it and actually painting on the black paint. But after it was primed I see some more areas that need a dab of spot putty to take care of some minor nicks and grinder marks. I did let it dry well outside for a few hours, and plan to take care of those little spots this week, then I can roll it outside one more time and paint it.
I didn't want to rush it and end up with the mess I had the first time I did the transmission. No sense blasting through the paint process and having to redo the whole thing. Here are some pictures of the frame in primer.
Don
Don---thats a beautifull thing!!! Isn't it amazing how you can go over something like that with a magnifying glass, and find no imperfections---but as soon as you get some primer on---WHAMO!!! there they are, lurking---demanding a bit more spot putty. I think that everything I painted in the last 30 years ended up getting primed about 6 times. Eventually, you either get it perfect, or else give up and finish paint it anyways.:LOL:
Thanks Brian. Yep, I thought I had it really smooth, after all, it has been sanded down to bare metal about 3 times through the compressor problem and resulting delay. As soon as I shot it I started to see little places I missed. I am not going to go nuts under the body part, because you will never see it, but the front 3 feet, ahead of the firewall, and the back 2 feet behind the body show. So I will at least get rid of the more obvious ones.
You are right that sometimes you just say the heck with it and shoot it, and I am not going for perfect, just ok. If my past performance is any indicator, I will be dropping lots of wrenches onto the frame anyway. :o :o
Don
Whenever the frames on my cars have been exposed, I have spent extra time with the bondo, and a varying grades of sandpaper wrapped around a peice of heater hose---resulting in ultra smooth welds, and mega sore fingers.
I always have a quiet little laugh to myself when at car shows, people have came up to me and said "Gee, I sure wish I could lay a bead like that". ---little do they know---
That's what Norm Grabowski said about his " Kookie T" . He kept cutting the frame up and moving sections back and forth to get the right look, and it left the frame pretty cobbled up, so he had Valley Customs make up some sheet metal frame covers that went over the entire frame. People were amazed his frame was so smooth, and didn't realize they were looking at covers, not the actual frame rails. He used to laugh when they would comment about his frame being like glass. :LOL: :LOL:
We all have our little hidden secrets.
Don
Don looking good being all one color makes the finish look near.
Don, I'm glad you posted some pictures I was going thru withdrawls.....well maybe just the shakes. The frames looks great, I like the use of the cherry picker so you can get to the underside at the same time. Where was my brain when I would paint one side wait to dry then flip for the other side.......DUH.
Brad
Thanks guys. I wasn't sure how I was going to get under it, or even move it out of the shop. Neither of my kids were around today, so I clamped part of an engine stand base to the front perch with c clamps, and picked up the rear like a wheelbarrow and wheeled it out the door. Oriiginally, I was going to use an engine stand on each end to make a rotisserie, but the high kickup in the rear killed that plan, so the cherry picker was the only shot I had at it. I kept hoping it wouldn't fall off of the front perch, but luckily is stayed there.
I would have loved to suspend it with the gantry, but my Son has so much household stuff stored in the front of the shop I even had trouble getting the frame past it. Can't wait til he gets settled and that stuff goes away. :3dSMILE: :3dSMILE:
Necessity is the Mother of Invention, I guess.
Don
I didn't have a lot of time to work on the T today, have to go to a barbque at my Sons tonight, but I wanted to get some things done. The project for today was sandblasting and grinding some of the smaller pieces of the suspension to get them ready for paint.
I really should have bought a Posies Superslide spring instead of the Speedway special I did buy. I have a Posies on my '27, and they really do ride better. For those that aren't familiar, they are like a traditional front spring, but have a formed in pocket that holds a teflon disc. Steel springs have the habit of each leaf grinding into the one below it, and by putting the teflon in there the leaves slide more easily. I didn't buy one because when I bought it I was trying to hit that $ 3000 figure, so every dollar counted. The Superslide is slightly more money, but I really recommend them. But for now I have this one, so it will do fine until I upgrade maybe down the road.
I am going to order (probably tomorrow) the teflon liner kits that Speedway sells to insert between each leaf. My '27 has that on the rear model A spring, and it does a good job, so it will be ok for now.
I disassembled the front spring and blasted then ground each leaf (only got 4 of the 6 leaves done so far) to make it a little prettier and to slide better. I rounded the corners slightly, and ground a little "ramp" on the underside of each leave so it acts like a ski and goes over the one below it. The plan is to continue disassembling the entire front end this week and prepping them for primer, then paint. Most of these are going to be the same orange/gold as the engine, and that color hides nothing, so I have to take some time on these parts.
Here are some shots of the spring I was working on today. The one on the right is the way you get them, and the one on the left is after some grinding work. The second picture shows the leaves I got done so far, and you can see how little of each leaf ends up actually being seen once assembled.
Don
I was thinking about buying the posies super slide spring to replace my Durant mono leaf... Still thinking about it. Your words lean me more towards the posies though.
I was surfing another forum, and there was a thread about these Durant monoleaf springs. The gist was that one had broken and the car had sustained some damage, then more people came on and said they had one break. Another guy said there was a thread on that some subject a while back, and a significant number had broken, usually at the center hole ,but not always.
I am only passing this on, and have no experience with these springs personally. But from the number of people who responded to that thread, I would not own one. That is just what I read there, and that could be way out in left field.
I think you will like the superslide, they are really great.
Don
I'm not defending the mono leaf spring,(I use them on my cars) but I know of a car that had one on it and it broke. Upon inspection of the car I found his cross member at 0 degrees and his axle at 10 degrees, sitting level. If you think about that and what is happening to that one leaf, it could cause it to break and the most logical place I think would be at the locating hole. Just food for thought.
Good point. That was one of the things mentioned in that thread, that perhaps people had added some additional shims to the spring and put it on an unnatural angle, binding it.
Don
I guess you could buy those spring perches that can adjust the caster if that was a issue.. Im certain thats not my issue, How ever I do think I found part of my issue with my front end. I can post a pic to show you guys. But I dont wanna hijack your thread. Ill post back on my thread I made a couple of weeks ago.
Hey, hijack away. If it wasn't for other stuff being interjected into this thread, it would have been 2 pages long. :LOL: :LOL: This thread is like America.......a big melting pot. :HMMM: :HMMM:
All kidding aside, I really welcome any and all topics being put in here. Breaks up some of the boring stuff I have to post. :D :D
Don
That spring is looking good. Don't beat yourself up too much. Considering your original goal of under $3k, that Posies spring would have just added to the cost.
Have you ever tried the plastic(teflon?) spring liners that Speedway sells?
By the way, that barbecue sounds good!:LOL:
Mike
Mike:
I have an order sitting here to call in to Speedway tomorrow, and have some of the teflon spring liner on it, in both sizes, for the front and rear springs. It works well, and they have it in white or black.
Yeah, thanks, the cookout was nice and got to see some old friends of ours. :)
Don
Glad to hear the liner works. I'm going to use it on the front of my car.
I don't know how the rodders( and bikers) in your part of the country are, but all the ones I hang out with are always looking for an excuse to drive somewhere to eat.:D
That may explain why my clothes always seem to be shrinking.:LOL:
Mike