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Hey Don, what is the humidity like down there? Last week I was setting tile on a patio, the air was incredibly dry, and the thinset (setting morter) was going off in the bucket. Usually you have 30-40 minutes of working time, and we were getting about 5. Could be since you were spraying outside that might be the problem.
Ron
Looking good Don. I can hardly wait to see the frame with all the running gear in place.:)
I have had nothing but headaches with catalyzed primers. I have tried several different brands. They usually worked for a while and then went berzerk.:whacked: I had some that caused fisheyes in the paint; I had some that discolored the paint; I had some that peeled and wrinkled when the paint was applied over it; I had some that caused the paint not to dry. Finally, I went back to good old lacquer primer. As long as I allow plenty of dry time before topcoating (24-48 hrs), I don't have any problems.
Ron: It has been a little drier than normal, I think. Maybe that is part of the problem.
James: Thanks bud, by next weekend I should have most of the suspension pieces painted and under there. I can't wait either. Dan almost had me talked into slipping the engine and tranny into the frame the other night, but then I remembered I have to paint the engine mounts. I was almost going to do it though. :D
So you have had trouble with catalyzed primers too? You described my problem perfectly. I have never had an issue, and all of a sudden I can't do anything right. I have had primer and additive laying around for a year, used it and had no trouble. Now it seems to go bad really fast. But that doesn't explain the brand new setup that I just popped the lids on last night. That spider webbing was really odd. Tomorrow AM I am going to be at their door, and if they give me no satisfaction I am going to the Nason rep.
I've considered going back to regular primer too, but I'm using urethane enamel over it, will it adhere ok?
Don
Don,
I do most of my painting with DuPont Chromabase and Five Star X-treme clear (all acrylic urethanes) and I haven't had any adhesion problems. If you are using lacquer primer, you just have to let it get completely dry before applying the urethane topcoat so that you don't trap any of the lacquer solvents under the paint. That's why I said it has to dry 24-48 hours before topcoating. If you trap solvent under the paint, it will cause blistering and / or peeling.
Another annoying problem I have had is with body filler causing urethane paints to discolor. This doesn't show up right away, but comes on gradually over a few months after applying the paint. It is worst on light colors (white, yellow, light blue) and any colors containing red pigment. I have tried different fillers, from cheap stuff to premium, and still had the problem. I almost religiously use some kind of sealer before painting to combat this problem.
Just got in from the paint store, and know less now than I knew before about the problem with the primer shooting spiderwebs. They say they have never seen that, and the one guy ventured the opinion that it was because I am not using a primer gun. I told him I have shot the same paint with these two guns, and never had a problem before.
Coincidently, my buddy who owns the body shop was shopping at the same time, and he couldn't come up with anything either. Reluctantly, the store gave me a refund for the primer, and I dropped another $ 300 on more Fusion Orange, primer ( I switched to a different one this time) wash thiiner, etc. I really can now appreciate why a good paint job, or any paint job for that matter, costs so much. Not only is the work very labor intensive, but the materials are very expensive. When you add up sandpaper, thinner, primer, paint, catalysts, plastic buckets, filler, etc, etc., it adds up real quick. I think I am at about $1000 so far, and haven't gotten to the body yet.:eek:
Tonight I am having dinner with my old boss, and after that am going to the shop and get the rear axle and more front suspension parts primed. Then tomorrow night I should be able to shoot some orange on those parts. I have some more stuff coming from Speedway, so the timing should be good to maybe get it sitting on wheels by the end of this coming weekend. :D :D
Don
Maybe you should of named this tread, PROJECT PAINT YOUR CAR FOR $3,000 :LOL: :LOL:
It's awful what this stuff costs!
Yeah Ken, great idea. Then I wouldn't have egg all over my face. :o How do you go back and edit a title? :rolleyes:
When I used to see that someone paid $ 10 or $20.000 for a propaint job, it was hard to imagine, but I can now understand completely. That stuff is out of my league, plus, if I ever got a mark on it..................:eek: :eek:
Jack, (Henry Rifle) said something in his post that really hit home with me. He basically said that he had gotten the body to the point where he just didn't care to go on anymore.......it is good enough. I understand that completely, and I am able to say those same words. I know there are flaws in the finish, but I accept them and just don't care. Otherwise, I will be spending the rest of my life trying to make every little bracket perfect, instead of getting to actually put gas in the tank and use the darned thing.
This car is going to Daytona in November.........this time I mean it. :)
Don
Oh, it looks like Dan is moving ahead on his again. He has spent a few nights (late nights) working at the shop, and got his electronic speedometer setup ready to install, and he built the underdash support to hold his steering column. A few weeks ago he built the latch setup and doorgo's to pop the louvered rear cover. I think he is ready to finish that car finally too........he has had enough.
I sure hope you don't feel like you have egg on your face. You have done such a great service on this site. I wonder how many have started projects because of your thread or motivated them to go back to work on there projects?
Thanks Ken. Nah, everybody has been very kind about not taking me to task for "slightly" overshooting my budget.:rolleyes: Who is the member whose tag line is "its going to cost more and take lots longer than you thought," or words to that effect? That should be etched into the concrete of every garage floor. :3dSMILE:
Don
Don---Now its time for me to jump back into the fray, kick you while you're down, and jump around saying "I told you so" (see post #19, away back when). It's just horrible what everything to do with paint costs. I have over $3000 in the paint on the roadster pickup, and that was with me doing the spraying!!!---When I see all the kids over on the HAMB talking about spraying their cars with Rustoleum, I kinda quiver all over, but I can certainly see their reasoning!!!
D*** Brian, you WOULD remember post # 19. I thought I erased that. :LOL:
Numerous times in recent weeks I have said to myself " you know, there IS something to be said for the rat rods..........sure a lot less work" (and $) Guess what the NEXT project is going to be? :cool: :cool: Rustoleum is on sale at Ace Hardware........$ 12.99 a gallon.
Don
Quote:
Originally Posted by brianrupnow
Who you callin' "KID"? Just kidding, but it has crossed my mind.:whacked:
Ron
Watch out Brian, he has a monkey with a gun. :eek: :LOL: :LOL:
Don
I am all for the rustoleum paint!! I got off lucky with 2,500 but I also got what I paid for. Still, The days of the ol' black primer wern't that bad.
I said a while back that I would post some pic's of my T. So this is my first effort, let's see if it works.
Ron
Holy Crap I did it, you guy's are in trouble now!!
Just thought I would show my Sucker Punch Sally with my T in the background.
Ron
Very cool rides. :) I really like the look of the T, and that bike is right on, Seems like a lot of our members have a car and bike too. Looks like you are getting close on the T.
Don
So are you still going to send the body out for pre-fab Don?
I was wondering if it was going to be a pick-up box rear, or a turtle deck, or something else?
No Brick, it's just going to be a bobtail, with just a fuel tank back there, a lot like the one Ron is showing above on his red T. I am pretty sure at this point that I am going to have my buddy finish the body and paint it, probably gloss black. I will finish up the fiberglassing and rough in the bodywork, but he is really a very good bodyman and will do it much better than I could, especially without a spray booth.
Now that it has gotten to be closing time at the complex, and the rain stopped for the day (I hope) I'm heading over there now to prime, and maybe paint some more stuff. Last two days we have had torrential rains here, so I have been held down, but it looks like it has stopped.
Might have some more pictures of gray stuff tonight. :)
Don
Don, have you tried to put any reducer into your primer? I would try to add a little reducer. Is your mixing ratio 4:1 on the primer or 1:1? If 1:1 then add about 1:1:1/2 reducer into that and see if it helps any. I don't know what kind of primer you are using but if it's PPG then use DT895 for the reducer.
Hey Don,
If you're going to paint the body black, have you considered some flames or scallops in the fusion orange? Maybe with a lime green pinstripe outline...:cool: :3dSMILE:
Mr Robinson, i think that is a mighty fine idea!
Jim does sound like a good idea with the flames
FMX, sounds like a good idea. I shot some primer tonight (new batch) and it sprayed just like it should. If I run into more problems I will give that a try, thanks.
Flames huh ? You guys must have ESPN, I was taking a little break tonight, sitting in my pondering chair, and I sort of had the same thoughts. There is a really good striper, custom painter in town, Pat Cleland, and he has done some super flame jobs on local cars. I might go see him once the body is painted.
The rain stopped tonight, and it was perfect weather to shoot some primer and paint, so I did. :D As I mentioned above, I bought all new supplies at the paint store the other day, and the new epoxy primer shot on perfectly. It was ready to top coat in about a half hour, and I got most of the front end shot in the orange, and scuffed and reshot the front axle and wishbones. They came out nice this time. I also got the backing plates, spindles, steering arms, motor mounts, etc. done in the orange.
I also shot lots of the black parts tonight, like the shock mounts, battery box, master cylinder and brake pedal. The only thing that I need to redo is the front spring before I can mount the whole front suspension. I just am not happy with the spring, so I am going to bead blast it back to bare metal and start over again. I plan to do that and also paint the rear axle tomorrow night.
Right now I have painted parts hanging off of everything in the shop, drying. Tonights progress will put me very close to being able to start bolting lots of stuff to the frame, even the engine and tranny. :D :D
Here are some pictures of the parts I painted tonight.
Don
and still more parts. :D :D :D
Don
Nice Don. Almost ready to start assembly. The suspense is killin me.
Freshly painted parts hanging on almost freshly painted parts. :D It's amazing how less clutted the shop seems after you assemble a car that's spread out all over the place.
Oh man, you called that right. With 6 cars all in pieces it is like a disaster. Once I see the my parts shelf starting to get bare I will know I am getting close.
In the meantime, I am tripping over stuff all over the place.
Don
Don if you hang them alot closer to each other they make a weird wind chime..................lol
Looks like you might be driving it before the month is done ( notice I didn't say which month)
Brad
Don if you hang them alot closer to each other they make a weird wind chime..................
Given the price of automotive paint, the noise these "weird wind chimes" will make is going to sound a lot like "gold Doubloons" or "Peices of eight" banging together-----
That is a great orange, on my old cpu it almost looks like burnt sienna. Very cool, you will be throwing some parts onto the ride for sure, looking good Don.
Ooooh, the excitement is almost too much to stand.:whacked: :whacked: Quick, Don, bolt something together before we all die of anticipation. I like that orange so much I'm starting to vascilate on the colors I've planned for my roadster...**)
I almost had windchimes trying to hang up the axle with one hand last night and using the other hand to tie a knot in the wire. Working on cars is quite a workout sometimes.
Ok, you want stuff bolted on? How about this?
Don
Or maybe.................
It poured rain tonight, and I couldn't paint anything, like the front spring, so I took the time to start bolting parts on. Got the battery box and battery, fuel pump and filter (still not sure what I am going to do to the filter to make it blend in better), the taillights and license plate light, brake pedal and master cylinder, transmission cooler, front shock mounts, and finally, the front axle assembly.
I can't hang it until the spring is done, but at least it is mocked up in place. I also have some chrome front heim ends coming for the wishbones, so I can't bolt those down till they come.
But it really feels good to finally see some stuff going on it. By the weekend I should have even more painted and hung, if this weather front goes away.
Oh, one more picture. Here is where I have been dining for the past few months. Isn't working on cars glamorous? :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
Don
You bolted a cat onto your frame? :D Just kidding (first pic)
I'm getting excited. It's looking like a car already. The black and orange you chose make a nice clean contrast. Lookin good Don.
Yeah, shes afraid she might miss a bite of food. Stays right in my way when I'm working.
Thanks for the nice words. Color is a funny thing, I'm still not 100 percent sure of my choice, but since I have never had a car with this color combo, it will be an experiment. We'll see what the complete finished package looks like before I get too concerned. :HMMM: :HMMM:
Just thought of something. I am a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and their colors are black and gold, maybe that was my motivation. Yeah, that was it. lol (But I am not painting a big Steeler logo on it, that's for sure)
Don
Don, Is that one of those heat sink type tranny coolers bolted to your frame? Have you used one of those before. I'm using two of them on a car I'm building but have not run it yet.
No, I haven't used one yet. Dan has one on his rod too, but it hasn't been driven either. Everything I have heard and read though says they are very efficient. They make two kinds, a straight through and a double pass, where the inlet and outlet are on the same side. That is what we have. Don't know if it is better, but at least the fittings are in the same place, and easy to plumb neatly.
I think you will like yours.
Don
Gastrick stole my joke about the cat, so I will just say nice table cloth.:D :D
Ron
Don, I think your colors go well together. It's starting to look like a rod again and I can hardly wait to see the finished product. :) :)