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Originally Posted by BradC
I swear, if I can get Bob's address, I'm sending him a letter bomb. :eek: :eek: :LOL: :LOL:
Don
Don, maybe it's just the lighting, but it looks Root Beer to me, not orange.
I had the same thoughts. In the sunshine the flake comes out, and it gets lighter. I'm really glad I decided not to do the body and frame in it. This color is very hard to get even coloring on. It is so translucent that it wants to be dark in some places and lighter in others.
What ever it is tomorrow when I get to the shop, that is what I am going with. I have had my fill of painting. :D
Don
Ive talked to painters that say some colors are a bear to get to match.:mad: You can mix small batches out of the same can on different days and get 2 different colors.:eek:
May not be anything you did wrong, just one of those colors.
Still lookin' good by the way. Don't know when I'll get anything posted again, been working on my dad's motorcycle for the last few days.
Mike
Thanks Mike. I'm really not sure what happened either. I don't know if I didn't stir it enough or if I sprayed on more coats, etc. It is for sure a little darker, but I think I sort of like the contrast (somewhat). I know when I worked at the body shop, even our experienced painters with all the high tech mixing equipment would get mismatches frequently. They would roll a car into the sunshine, and end up rolling it back for a repaint.
This particular color is like syrup or honey, and even if you stay in one spot a little longer than the others, it comes out different. The metallic factor doesn't help either. But it is as good as I am going to make it, I'm done repainting stuff.:mad: :mad:
Have fun working on the bike. :3dSMILE:
Don
Don---It looks very good. I ran into the same problem when I painted the roadster pickup all in seperate peices. Everything looked great setting around my garage in peices. Then when I bolted it all together, I had some serious colour mismatches. Ended up scuffing everything with a scotch-brite pad and respraying the whole car while it was bolted together.--Only another zillion dollars worth of tri-stage paint. Talk about your "paintjob nightmares"---
Color shade can change with air pressure, distance to the piece your painting, and luck. Just one of those things to drive you crazy ( thats what the voice in my head is telling me)
Brad
Don i think you did the right choice on leaving frame dark. That orange stands out just right i would like to see it up close , I'm sure pics are not doing it justice .
If it is anything like the pics, it's going to be a head turner for sure. What color is the upholstrey going to be?
Brick alot of people will be crooning the necks when Don drives by. What started as a budget build is headed for show stopper quality .
I think you need to hit those jasckstands again!;)
Brian: We were just saying last night that yellow must be another tough color to get good, even coverage on. It is so non-hiding. Bet you really hated the work aspect more than the financial one, but you are right about money going up in smoke. :(
Brad: You could be right, the weather here has been different every night when I have been spraying. One night the rain has just ended, the next night it is dry. I even thought that maybe the mixed up batch settled as I was using it up, and all the pigment went to the bottom, and I shot that on as the last coat or two. :confused:
Bobby: Yeah, I think I am going to like the end result. Right now, I just want the painting to end so I can start on the final hookups and stuff. It really is only what I would call driver quality, not show quality by any means, but it should be at least bright. I also want to hear the engine fire for that first time. (how do I post sound on here? :LOL: )
Brick: I was thinking about an all black interior, but last night Dan threw out the suggestion that an old time leather, sort of like oxblood, would go well with it. You know, like an old baseball glove, old roadster from the '40's kind of stuff. I have a guy who opened an upholstery shop right at the end of my row, so I am going to get some ideas from him when the time comes. I may be sitting on indian blankets if the price is too high. Might have to go back to work to afford seats. :eek:
Tom: Should I paint the floor jacks the same color as the jackstands, or a different color so that I can tell one from the other. I need all the help I can get, you know. :rolleyes: :D
Thanks guys for the nice words and help.
Don
Oh, I got the rear radius rods and front end remounted today, but forgot my camera. I'll post some pictures tomorrow. The color is much closer now that we resprayed it last night, close enough for me. Tomorrow I am going to do the brake shoes and all, and slip the drums back on. Then once I paint the wheels and remount the tires I will have a roller.
Don,
I have been reading this as you have been going along, and everyones help. I'm sure one or more of these guys have hit the nail on the head, but stuff like this really bugs me. I always want to really know why something like this happens. So I started going threw all the scenarios I could think of. Again I'm no painter, I wish I had that talent but I don't.
A long time ago I played around with candy colors on a car I was building, and found that whether used gold As silver the color really changed by how much base color I used. Of course that makes sense with translucent colors. So thinking about what happened to you, if I understood you you color is some what translucent, so I wonder if the actual color of the individual parts (castings or steel tubing) is causing the finished color to change on you? I know you primered everything but I wonder if it could bleed threw? So you think this is even possible?
Ken
Very strange you should mention that Ken. That sort of was one scenario I considered too. The parts that are darker are the two springs and the rear axle. Everything else came out slightly more golden, as opposed to a slightly reddish cast. Same primer, pretty much same amount of coats, air presure, etc. The springs are actually slightly darker than the rear axle even, and I wondered if the flatness of the leaves contributed, but Dan pointed out that some brackets on the rear axle are just as flat. Even parts that were sprayed the same night with the same pot are slightly different.
I even wondered if spring steel colored differently. Number of coats and heaviness of coats had zero effect last night. We really packed on some coats, trying to get it to darken, and it still was goldish.
I already have my story in place for when someone says to me at a show or cruise "why are some parts darker?" I'm going to say I planned it that way for some contrast. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Or, I could park it outside in Floridas hot sun for a week, and everything will be faded. :LOL:
Don
Are these the famous last words that will turn around and bite you in the rear?Quote:
Originally Posted by Itoldyouso
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O-o-o-o-h N-o-o-o-o. After all, didn't I hit that $ 3K budget thing right on the nose???? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D :D :D It's only Wednesday, and as soon as I get my laundry and housecleaning out of the way, it's back to work. So, I should make it. (I know Uncle Bob is out there, just waiting to pounce :eek: )
Don
I just joined the forum less than a week ago due to a link on another forum to this thread. Absolutely amazing reading. Lots of detail on your build and very inspirational to others...lots of ideas.
I have a question tho. What are those rear radius rods from? I assume from the pics that they are bolted to the rearend like ladder bars but fore and aft vice top to bottom? I am building a model a and want to use the original radius rods but was told they are too weak. Do have an opinion on that? I am considering using them like yours by modifying them with a 3/8" plate instead of the original on the rear and welding in a piece of 1" tubing threaded for a rod end on the front. Power is a basically '77 sbc 350 w/350 T, 8" rearend.
sorry it's so long I don't post much but get carried away when I do. Need to do an intro post..but couldn't wait to ask q???
Welcome to the forum. If anyone is longwinded on posts, it's me, not you. :D Nice to have another Florida rodder on here. Post some pix of your Model A when you get a chance.
About the rear radius rods. Those are one of my Ebay purchases. I think that they were made by P.S.I in the '60's or '70's, and were intended to be an add on wishbone system so that people could install a later model rear axle in an early Ford type rod. I don't think they are made anymore, because I haven't seen their ads lately. They used to be in Rod and Custom all the time in those years.
These were already done and chromed when I got them, and I really hated to sandblast the nice chrome off, but they would not have matched my painted front ones, so that is what I had to do. I was really lucky to find these, as they worked perfectly with only a simple bracket to afix them to the rear housing.
As for using stock Ford rear wishbones, I am not really up on that, and hope someone else can give you a good answer. I do know that they were not intended to be used that way, but rather to suppliment the closed driveshaft tube, and mount in the center. That being said, thousands of rods used these split to the sides. I think the weak spot is where the cast end is joined to the tube, if memory serves me correctly.
I have always just used either hairpin radius rods, or on one '32 pickup I had, I used '48 Ford front wishbones, turned them around, cut off the end that goes to the axle, and welded on a plate to bolt to the rear axle. I used that wishbone because they are pretty long and thicker than like Model A ones.
Like I said, I hope someone can give you a better answer on this though.
Thanks for reading the thread, I appreciate it and your very nice words. Here are what mine looked like in the mockup stage.
Don
If Don would lay off those rich and fulfilling dinners, he might have a rolling car by this Friday!!!!!!!! He may force me to come down there and help him, so we get to see a car before the Turkey Run this year. Sorry Don, I'm back to withdraws, can't wait to see more now all the painting is done. Where's my meds..........where what. Is this thing on Hello
Brad
Did my threat to help scare him back to work LOL
Don this is one i just seen at a show . The red interior may give you a idea
I like the 40's interior idea that would look good with the orange & black. A nice contrast to the orange indeed.
Don you can upload it at YouTube and paste it here . So join,, get it on cam ,, and lets here it run . You tube you can upload long vids . Tried a 20 second avi from digital cam and up load fails .
Where's my meds..........where what. Is this thing on
Hello
Brad
:LOL:
Brad: I was actually working when you posted, in fact, I just got in and it's about 3AM. I'm starting to like the night shift. :D But thanks for keeping me going anyway.
Bobby: That little roadster is sharp. It really shares some similarities to mine. I always had red wheels and undercarriage, and this one almost did too, but I figured it was time for a change. But red is still one of my favs. I think the Youtube thing would be cool. I'll have to get a camera and sign up, and have my Sons guide me through it, but I think I'll do that as a wrap up on the build.
Brick: The more I think about that "old baseball glove leather interior" the more I like it. Dan tells me they sell some that is preweathered so it looks old. Not beat up, but just aged. That appeals to me.
To prove I did some work tonight and last night, I remembered my camera tonight. :D For all practical purposes, the front end is done, including the brakes. I did a 180 and decided to use the Buick drums off of my '27, because the front end turned out pretty good, and the plain '40 Ford drums just wouldn't have done it justice. I had these ceramic coated years ago, so all I had to do was wipe them down, and they were ready to mount. I also did a brake job while I was at it, new shoes and wheel cylinders. Packed the wheel bearings, and buttoned it up.
I'm all ready for the wheels to be painted and installed, and tomorrow I'll stop at AutoZone and get the new wheel cylinders, brake shoes, and hardware kit for the Blazer rear axle. The drums are really nice, so I'll just sandblast them and coat them with something to sort of match the front drum finish. My tierod and rod ends are coming Friday from Speedway, so I'll get those painted when I paint the wheels, maybe Saturday night.
Here are some pictures of how it looks tonight.
Don
I thought I'd post some updated pictures of where Dan is on his '29. He has been spending more time in the evenings working on it, and has gotten his gauges installed and also his steering shaft and wheel. He doesn't like the length of the Genie shifter handle, and is going to order a 16 inch one to replace this longer one. I like it, but he thinks it looks too gimmicky.
I'm glad to see him getting things done again on it, and he really has no idea how close he is to finishing it up.
Here are the pictures from tonight.
Don
Looking good don, your sons truck is gonna be cool, hope to see them both in daytona this year.
Well its about time someone else from Jacksonville joined, welcome to the club.
Don, is the big loop between the seats meant to be a driveshaft loop? If so, it's too far forward and taller than it needs to be. Also looks to be very thick material. 1/4" by 2" is the spec.
Dans car is looking good.
Don most digital cameras have a video button with audio now days they will run about a 3 minute video with a small memory card .
Sorry to push you Don but I'm living thru your build, because my garage extention is on hold. I'm to the point that I need an extra hand and all my buddy's are hurt or doing family things.
Brad
John: If they are held together with coathangers, they are going for sure this year. :D I've had it with missing deadlines and not having a driver. You can count on seeing us this year for sure, we have 6 months left, and that should be plenty of time. (famous last words)
Richard: No, it is a subframe for the body. It has to be that high because the car is airbagged, and goes up or down 8 inches. His "loop" will be further back, and only meant to be a secondary means of containing the driveshaft.
Bobby: Yeah, I've seen that on my camera and wondered what it was. I'm so lame with electronics that I'm afraid to push any buttons on this thing. I've got to buy a new camera, I wore this one out between all of my Ebay stuff I've sold, and this thread. I notice the picture quality is nowhere what it once was.
I thought I might be typing this post tonight with one hand. I was using the drillpress today, holding a part with a pair of vicegrips, and the bit grabbed and before I could react it wrapped my left arm all the way around the drill bit. As soon as I got my glove off I was sure my wrist or some fingers were broken, but thank God I only got a puncture wound on the back of my hand. It is sore, and going to be black and blue, but I am really happy because I could be wearing a cast right now. That's the trouble with playing with power tools, everytime you use one the odds are greater you are going to get bit. I sure said a little prayer afterwards (I also had to apologize for a string of not so nice words :eek: :eek: :eek: )
Got a few little things out of the way today. Tire shop couldn't dismount my tires til tomorrow, and I picked up another quart of orange paint and more primer. Everything will be closed Sat thru Monday with the holiday, so I didn't want to run out.
The headlight bar is now painted gloss black, and the rear shocks are finally mounted top and bottom. Not huge progress, but every little bit helps. One thing I have been doing is using grade 8 bolts and self locking nuts on everything. Sort of overkill in some areas, but I like the color of them - They are tinted a golden color, and look pretty neat on all the parts. I also have been trying to turn every bolt the same direction. Kind of silly, but a few years ago I helped a friend rig out his high end new fishing boat, and what really impressed me was that every screw was turned exactly the same way on all the components. It just spelled good workmanship to me, so I thought I would do the same thing. No one may ever notice, but I will know.
Yeah, I know it is sort of goofy to do that, but I'm easily entertained. lol
Don
Brad: I've been wondering about your addition. So you are at that stage where you can't do things by yourself? I know how that is. The way it usually goes for me is that my friends scatter when it is time to help out, especially when I move. :D :D
Don
Both cars are lookin' good.
Is that a Pontiac engine in your son's 29?
I came very close to putting a 455 in my 46. Even had a GTO 3X2 setup. Was pretty wide for the engine bay and I didn't think I had the sheet metal skills to make the inner fenders look right. Would have been a killer engine though.
Also, who made the steering wheel in the 29? Looks like the Bell type that Moon sells. I've been looking at one for my 23.
No, it's a 455 Olds with a '66 442 tripower setup. Looks a lot like a Pontiac, though.
He bought the wheel from Riley Automotive. It's a 14 inch, and I have to order one for my T also. I bought a 15 inch one at Daytona last year, but it is too big, so I'll use that one in my '39.
Thanks for the nice words too.
Don
Here is the website: www.riley-auto.com/
Thanks for the info about Riley. The Moon wheel is 15". A 13.5" would fit a lot better in my setup.
I corrected my post, it is actually 14 but a lot smaller than the 15 I bought. One inch really made a difference in knee room, and the overall proportions. I tried his wheel in mine, and it looked so much better.
Don
It just spelled good workmanship to me, so I thought I would do the same thing. No one may ever notice, but I will know.
Don,
Ya know what, thats all that matters :) I notice things like that, it means the same to me.
Your stuff looks great !
Ken
I will give you a drill press vise if you don't have one :LOL:
Thanks Ken. I have four of the darned things, but the washers I was drilling out wouldn't stay put in them, so I had this bright idea to use vicegrips. First 3 washers went fine, fourth one was the charm.
Right now I am glad to have the little damage I got. Talk about dumb. :o :o
Don
I'm sure we have all done it, I know I have. Thank God it wasn't more serious.