Lots of time playing with making my own Hot Rod stuff????:LOL::LOL::LOL: I really like the formability of 20ga on a wheel, though 22ga works even better, just requires a lot more structure to support it...Have you played with .040 aluminum much for a skin? Just scheming on a down-the-road-someday project......;) Been playing with wooden bucks to form aluminum, just so dang slow! Maybe a wider pair of wheels on the English wheel wouldn't crush and track on aluminum as much??? Could you slip into Martel's back door someday and see what him and the boys are using?:LOL::LOL::LOL: