Hi!
Can you tell my why do you people use Iron Cross? What does it mean to ya?
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Hi!
Can you tell my why do you people use Iron Cross? What does it mean to ya?
Mataj, when you post Warsaw, I'm assuming you're in Poland, and you're wondering why in the world would Americans use an old German military symbol!!
It's one of those things where someone, possibly or probably not knowing the original significance of the symbol, thought it looked cool! It probably slipped into our usage sometime after WW1. Whether it was a hot rodder or a biker who started using it first is no longer clear, but the use of the iron cross has endured over the years and has enjoyed some renaissance, particularly with the "rat rod" crowd. I'm sure it's partly an irreverence thing!!
Hopefully I've explained it well enough. Your english is way better than my Polish.................since I don't know any.:)
I KNOW you had to have copied that!!!! Nobody in NY ever heard of the word "fimbriated"!!!!!!!:LOL: :p :LOL: :p :LOL: :p
Mataj,
I am 100% German, so I dont use the iron cross, I did have one on a hotrod one time, I got so much flak for it I never did it again.
I serve in the US Army and have been doing that for 6 years I am proud of my German back ground but I dont see the need to put any thing on my cars that can be taken the wrong way and most of the people I deal with every day are to ignorant to figure out what it really means. I also used to have a German flag (the new one) on the front plate bracket on my truck but some one found it offencive and ripped it off. I have found that when it comes to being German its better just not to talk about it or show pride in it.
Otto
:) I'm from Warsaw, Poland. I wrote NY cause I had to, we don't have any shorter names for states. I couldn't enter "Mazowsze" :P I guess you have 12 Warsaws in USofA :D quite strange.. I asked that question because I wondered why it is used, because of some philosophy or just "because", without any reason.... I'm also curious to know things about confederates' flag... Are confederates considered to be rasists or sth? or not? (just curious)
I've been using the Iron, or Maltese, or Surfer's Cross since the 60's, and still like the design. Most people who use it as a logo or decorative graphic have no political reason for it's use....they just think it looks cool. The kids today have adopted it, and I doubt if 10 % of them have even heard of an Iron Cross as a military relic. Schneider Clutches have been using it for decades, and I think it's an icon of hot-rodding & plan on putting one in the back window of my gasser-style '56 Plymouth. I'm a veteran, and, as anyone I know will tell you, a patriot through and through. I use the Maltese cross as the early rodders and surfers used it, as a cool design, no more, no less.
I'm one of the few born and bred southerners on the site, so I'll take on the Confederates. This is the first flag of the Confederacy.Quote:
Originally posted by Mataj
also curious to know things about confederates' flag... Are confederates considered to be rasists or sth? or not? (just curious)
The second Flag
Third Flag
The Battle Flag, which was the most commonly seen flag of the Confederacy.
This is the Bonnie Blue, which became the people's flag and had a song written for it.
This is the flag that most people incorrectly assume was the Confederate flag. It was in reality a Navy Jack, but its bright colors and vivid pattern made it unforgetable. It has since earned a place in the hearts of many rednecks that like to think they are southern historians, and thus a place in the garage wall or pickup window behind the gun rack.
Now that the Confederate Flag issue is straightened out, on to the bigger problem at hand. In order to properly understand the views that exist in the south today, you must travel back several hundred years and look at history. Start in Europe. You are familiar that blacks used to be called Moors. The warring tribes of Africa have always/ always did take slaves. They kept their own people as slaves. That is the first thing you must understand. That slavery started out as a trade by Africans OF Africans. NOT white Americans kidnapping Africans and selling them into slavery. This may have occured later, but it all began amongst the Africans. Slavery is nothing new. It has always existed and still does today. Existed among the Greeks some, Romans more. All ancient civilaziations kept slaves. Whether it be POWs or others, they had them. Africans were not alone in this practice. That being said, Moors have always been viewed as an exotic race. A strange people many feared, whether it be for their skin color or their fighting nature. Fear is the basis of hatred. Hatred breeds feelings of superiority and inferiority. You can see where I'm going, no? It was nothing new that whites thought themselves better than blacks. It was a predisposition that had existed for generations, taught carefully to each new child, or most for that matter. There are exceptions to every rule. So you come to the time where blacks are sold into captivity by other blacks, put on crowded, terrible, unsanitary slave ships for a voyage to the new world. When they got there, they were treated like cattle, which most people thought they were. This goes on for decades, the process only becoming more refined. The United States is formed, States are created, wars are fought. All with the help of slave labor. This goes on to the 1860's. Then the problems arise.Quote:
Originally posted by Mataj
Are confederates considered to be rasists or sth? or not? (just curious)
Forgot to add. The page with the flags and the info I got is:
http://americancivilwar.com/south/conflag/southflg.html
I salute the stars and bars. Our flag does not represent "slavery or any other liberal crap", it was battle flag. Most people forget that the north only "freed" the slaves two years into the war with the promise they had to settle in the south.
There is still slavery in africa but it is blacks owning blacks, so no one cares. Theres rampant cannibalism in the congo since they started governing themselves. No one cares. Ive had a friend killed in south africa because he was white, but thats politically exceptable because he was a white.
The world has gone into reverse rascism, and the worst possible thing to be right now is white southern male. I get hell all the time over talking like a texan. An okie buddy of mine is always made fun of. This world has just gone to crap.
Anyone else want to restart the war of northern aggression with me?
animalracer reminded me of something when he said rodders and surfers used the iron cross because it was a cool symbol, no more, no less.
He reminded me, I think it was the blue deuce 3 window on the beach boys album that had a swastika, the nazi symbol, on the blower pulley. I think it was even in a magazine like that, and then everyone made a big fuss (it wasn't even 20 years after ww2) and it was quickly removed.
I try to stay in the south because my kind is not welcome elsewhere. I went to Vegas over the summer. I got some looks with my accent, but I just kind of blended in, cuz after all, it is Vegas :LOL:Quote:
Originally posted by suedeplymouth
I salute the stars and bars. Our flag does not represent "slavery or any other liberal crap", it was battle flag. Most people forget that the north only "freed" the slaves two years into the war with the promise they had to settle in the south.
There is still slavery in africa but it is blacks owning blacks, so no one cares. Theres rampant cannibalism in the congo since they started governing themselves. No one cares. Ive had a friend killed in south africa because he was white, but thats politically exceptable because he was a white.
The world has gone into reverse rascism, and the worst possible thing to be right now is white southern male. I get hell all the time over talking like a texan. An okie buddy of mine is always made fun of. This world has just gone to crap.
Anyone else want to restart the war of northern aggression with me?
I head out to Morehead City, NC every year. I get along pretty well around there. Went to St. Maartin a few years back. My accent wasn't as strong then, so I didn't stand out. About anywhere I go, my accent is called attention to. It is a mix of dialects. Around these parts, 20 miles will give you a different accent. Mine's a mix of Morgan county redneck, Knoxville sophisticate, and Oak Ridge guy. Add to that the fact that when I get pissed I start sounding like a guy out of Georgia, almost no one can lay a finger on where I originate. But that accent screams "southern drawl," so anywhere outside of the south I'm not really welcome. With the southern accent people automatically assume I drive an old chevy pickup with a gun rack. When they look at the clothes I wear they think I must drive a sporty economy car, judging from the slightly corporate edge to casual wear. I was raised with two totally different outlooks on the rest of the earth's population. My mom's side wants me to love everyone. My dad's family is southern stock, and they come from a time when ... well lets just say the views wouldn't go over so well outside the rural south. I pulled out of it an attitude that I don't judge by the color of skin, but more by your treatment of others. I judge each by his own merits. I think it works well, because I have Mexican, Black, Chinese, Native American, and East Indian friends, just to name a few. There is just too much of a stigma against my type to leave the comforts of home. I could pretty much travel anywhere east of the Mississippi and south of the M-D line and be relatively welcome. If I wanted to be really welcome, I would have to stay in East Tennessee. The rest of the south doesn't like Tn too much. But I totally agree with you about the world going to pot. I tend to ignore anything that is not on my continent, unless it has to do with nuclear warheads, then I get worried. I would go along with you on the war of northern agression, but for a few problems. If we started it up, it wouldn't be the war of northern agression anymore. More like "the war of southern spite" or some other catchy name the northerners came up with. The civil war was one of the bloodiest conflicts in the history of this country. I don't think ANYONE really wants another one. Who wants to end up killing their own brother? I like the idea, but I am afraid it would only create more problems than solve any. What would the south really be standing for this time? The only thing that separates us from the northerners now is a few antiquated ideas that are viewed as wrong by half the world anyway. Who is going to support a fight for southern heratige? The main difference between yankees and southerners now is hospitality. I think most yankees wouldn't give anyone the time of day if they didn't think they were getting something out of it. With southerners we still pull over for a funeral procession, still help out strangers, still pick up the occasional hitchhiker, you see what I mean? Yankees will pass the funeral procession on the right, tell the stranger to go to hell, and invite the hitchhiker into the car then rob them. The yankees I have had the occasion to deal with are not at all pleasant. They invade our homeland because it is warmer and cheaper. I say go to hell. It is a little warmer still and an eternal stay is granted if you are short a few good deeds, so it is cheaper than the south in the long run. I have yankees on both sides of my family, and I am afraid they have been rubbing off on me. I think I got most of the vocabulary and intelligence but tried to keep the southern tradition. Tell me if you decide to start the war back up, though, I'd love to right a few wrongs.
"Most people forget that the north only "freed" the slaves two years into the war with the promise they had to settle in the south."
That is quite familliar for me... :P People often forget about history, what happend in the past and that's why they ofter tell bullshit.