Sorry Jay,I don't know anything about those cars or who painted them as I found them on a web site sometime last year and because the colour just smacked me in the eyes with it's depth etc.,I wanted to save them. Steve's Auto Restoration rebuild and painted a '40 Ford Convertible that is on there web site that is so like those two cars that also took my fancy as in certain light it looked almost black but in bright sunlight had that deep red colour.