1940 Ford Tudor Build Thread

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Originally Posted by 53 Chevy5

Hope you didn't bust up the kid too bad for Ben and your molding lol. All that little stuff takes forever, but the headlight buckets do look real nice and I like what you did for blinkers.

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Nah, I didn't even harass him. I saved that for my kids. :LOL: Luckily the lights covered the holes. I'm kind of thinking about painting the bases the color of that area but the chrome doesn't look bad either imo. Yesterday I finished the passenger side exhaust pipe now I just need to add a few hangers. I also started making my last PS pump bracket. Once that is on I can put the front of the engine back together. I'm trying to decide to mask off the flames or just paint over them. That's a huge time suck to get the flames painted so IDK currently. I need to get the fenders painted so I can bolt them back on the car. Unfortunately, there is no radiator support on this car so the inner fenders also support the radiator. I did add some pieces that bolt to the frame the support the lower portion of the radiator. Hopefuuly today I can make more head way.

".....I'm trying to decide to mask off the flames or just paint over them. That's a huge time suck to get the flames painted so IDK currently........"

Have you considered maybe having the flames done in vinyl?

By the way nice work on the exhaust.



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Originally Posted by Mike P

".....I'm trying to decide to mask off the flames or just paint over them. That's a huge time suck to get the flames painted so IDK currently........"

Have you considered maybe having the flames done in vinyl?

By the way nice work on the exhaust.



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Mike, I didn't think of that but that is an option. I didn't get it done for goodguys and I haven't addressed the flames yet. I should get back to work on it but my other priorities list didn't stop growing so I'll see how I can balance them out. :LOL:

My time has been very limited lately with everything going on. The kids are just finishing county fair and 4H. There was a lot of hours spent getting projects finished and a lot of running around done.

I continue to try and get work done to the 40 though. Clint wanted to help so I showed him how to apply some brush able seam sealer, and also how to start installing the kill mat sound/heat insulation.

I finally got the dash painted and had a friend add a silver stripe between the 2 colors. I am now trying to find the glove box door hardware so I can stick it back on. I painted the windshield garnish moldings, the dash stash box hinges, steering wheel top and bottom covers, and the driver's door garnish molding. I have to fix some cracks in my steering wheel and then I'll get it painted.

The boys went to a yard sale and bought 3 boxes of previously crappily put together models last week. One of them painted something in the garage and got over spray on my dash. I got it to buff out but what a pain in the rear.....

I did get my American Shifter, shifter installed. Talk about a crap show. It fought me every bit of the install. I had to make a new bell crank lower to be able to get this to work with my larger trans cooler lines. Now I can finish the trans tunnel and put the dash in? :LOL:

Overspray? Cough Cough... choke..sputter!! On your fresh paint?? Let me guess.. you just shrugged it off! You really are superman! LOL..

"One of them painted something in the garage and got over spray on my dash. I got it to buff out but what a pain in the rear....."

Aaagh!!

...and he's still alive?

...and breathing?

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Originally Posted by 34_40

Overspray? Cough Cough... choke..sputter!! On your fresh paint?? Let me guess.. you just shrugged it off! You really are superman! LOL..

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Originally Posted by johnboy

"One of them painted something in the garage and got over spray on my dash. I got it to buff out but what a pain in the rear....."

Aaagh!!

...and he's still alive?

...and breathing?

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Yeah, I couldn't believe it. It was Clint. He did have the dash covered with plastic, but I guarantee he sprayed something first, then saw the over spray and covered the dash. He hasn't admitted that is what happened but I know I didn't do it and his sister didn't do it. A little back story for those of you not on FB. 2 Mondays ago Illy our 3yr old grabbed the model spray paint off the black stone on the deck that Clint left out from painting his model. Illy proceeded to paint the side of our deck and also the LH side of her 2yr old brother. He was a true American poster baby. Red/blue hair, and white face, with blue LH half. :LOL: There was also an incident of someone grabbing my clear coat off my bench, and dumping it in a mixing container and the person thought they were getting grease and wax remover to clean their model car body. They quickly realized it was not grease and wax remover and must have thought it was a great idea to leave it all. Including the stuff they spilled on the floor, down the bench, and on everything around it. They left the cap barely on the clear too. I was a hostile unit when I found the mess but more mad that said young man lied about it. He lost his garage privileges for a couple of weeks. I didn't even yell at him about the dash. I just sent pics to his mom and let her deal with it. I'm just glad buffing it worked and I didn't ruin it and have to repaint it all. I'm over doing things over and over. :LOL:

I was excited to get my dash painted and I was just going to throw it together and get it stuck in the car. Then I forgot my gauge bezel had grind marks on the bottom face where I had to modify it to fit the opening. Also, I had to trim the gauges to fit in this bezel. So I sanded out all the grind marks starting with 180 and ending with 2k. I then used a mini buffer and polished it.

During all of this I forgot my steering wheel was cracked pretty bad and I couldn't just leave it alone. I really wanted to but I couldn't. I'm pretty certain this steering column and steering wheel came out of a 73 Eldorado that actually sat at my parent's place when I was a kid. The seats were from it too. I still am not sure how they fit in this narrow car. Uncle Jerry was definitely a use what you have type of guy.

I ground all the cracks with a carbide bit and then used some filler to fill them. I'm on round 1. Tomorrow I'll do round 2 and hopefully filler prime it.

Oh that dash is gonna look nice! That speedo is pure optimism I think.. LOL
Can't wait to see how the wheel comes out.

Let his momma deal with him! A real American hero you are! LOL.. I know, I know.. easy for me to say! My kids sleep in a crate! 8-)

Dash and steering wheel are looking great. Always nice to have a good looking dash because you spend so much time looking at it while driving.:LOL:

Thanks guys. Yeah Mike, I couldn't see doing over 120mph in this car before. I'd have more faith in it now. :LOL: I can tell you the one in the Camaro has been 5mph below the max of the same speedo. :cool: Ironically there is a max speed setting in the ecm on it and it is exactly 155. How do I know this? My brother is getting into tuning with HPtuner and he has been working on a file for it. It's crazy all the stuff that is wrong in the programming for that car but it still drives.

The gauges are installed now. Speaker grill installed, and the ash trays are installed, I think. I took not so good pics of these when I disassembled the dash and it took a bit to get them back in. I knew how they were supposed to mount, but the idea of how were they supposed to work was throwing me off. As it turns out, thee are early 1940 Fords and Late 1940 Fords. I have an early one. The early ash trays push in and lift up into the dash and the ash tray is actually in the lower corner of the dash. On the later ones the ash tray pulls out and down and the ash tray is inside the actual ash tray. The knob is on the bottom of the early ones and the top of the later ones. They'll never see ash but maybe I'll leave them to store stuff? Yeah great. Another hiding spot. :LOL:

I happened to see that beautiful work Robert did on the kid wagon on his thread. I thought I would show the kids' roadster stroller we have. It used to be yellow and had some waviness to it. My wife wanted to repaint it and Izzabelle actually used it for a 4H project. She got to learn about hammer and dollying, applying and removing body filler, how to identify high and low spots, what blocking is, and what color sanding is. We use this for good guys every year and we were almost out of time when we were doing it. It really could have used a few more block parties but it is a massive improvement from what it was. I fixed a bunch of broken mounts and sheet metal, and made the front pull double shear instead of single.

Allyson picked the color. It was actually spray paint. It has 3 good coats and Izzy helped with that. I then laid 3 coats of 4k clear with gold glitter and blue flake in it. Then topped that with clear alone. Believe it or not, I didn't put any runs in it. One bug got into the base but none in the clear and only about 4 dust nibs. It was a hit at Good guys and at 4H county fair.

On the day of judging the judge was not a car person and didn't understand the point of it. She pretty much told Izzy next time do a write up of everything you did and take more pictures so you can be considered for state fair. It got a blue ribbon and is scratch free so far. :LOL:

Nice work on the steering wheel, they can be a pain. I did the one on my 57 Plymouth 15 years ago and seems to be holding up great, even the paint (I used a single stage urethane car paint on it).

That roadster stroller is GREAT, the work that you and Robert did on your kids projects put the Tot Rod I built for the grandkids to shame.



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Thanks Mike! We're trying to come up with something for the boys to do for next year. I mentioned to them that I always wanted to build a Ford roadster from wood when I was a kid. I never got it done but there isn't any reason we couldn't do it now. I did make a very crude one I sat over a lawn mower chassis but it was a hack mess. I was probably 10 when I did that though. Another thing I've wanted to do since we started having kids was a half scale tractor. I wanted to do a 560 but who knows. Here is a guy that has been doing them along time and does awesome work.

The Little Tractor Co

We still haven't decided what we're going to do. I have a John Deere A for Izzy to restore but I think we might wait until she's a little older to do it. I'm pretty project loaded right now. :LOL:

To add to this, another thing I have always wanted to build is a mini semi. I have always been a semi nerd. Probably because my Uncle Kenny was a truck driver and I always used to ride with him in his many different Peterbilts. When I was a kid there was a guy in my home town that had a miniature W900 KW. This thing was awesome! It had tandem axles, dual wheels, and even a sized refer trailer. Who ever built it did an amazing job and it looked exactly like a real semi. It had a Pinto 4cylinder and manual transmission. I often wonder where it went. I'll try to track down pics of it. The owner passed away many years ago and all his stuff is gone including the house he owned.

A mini semi would take so much time to build would be the biggest down fall. :LOL:

Back to regular programming of not scheduled slow progress. :LOL: Which equates to 1 step forward and 3 back. But first, here's an awesome assembly pic I love of some 40 Ford Deluxes.

I decided I needed to have the floor done before I install my dash so I'm not buggering it up finishing the trans tunnel etc. Once I installed this American Shifters shifter, I knew my trans tunnel I made wasn't going to fit. I ended up having to cut the rear section almost off and I am going to have to rebuild it. I also cut the back of the shifter mounting plate off. I could envision it hitting the trans and being a weird noise so off it came. Please ignore my mess. I really need to clean it up in there but I have better luck with my stuff not disappearing when a certain little human can't get in the car to rob stuff. :LOL:

Yesterday I decided to go ahead and sweat it out after work and worked on the trans tunnel for the 40. (It was 97* and 250% humidity. If you don't believe me, strap a hundred pounds on your waist so we're even) :LOL:

I acquired some heat shields that were scrapped because they were the wrong parts and can't be returned. They are probably 14ga stainless and have 2 90* curves bent in them already. I marked one out, cut it, and began shaping it with a hammer using the bench vice to help hold and shape it. Now, unfortunately, this doesn't look like Robert's work. At first I wasn't happy with the look of it. But you know what, it'll be covered in kill mat and the summer is going by awful damn fast. I have 3 shows I'd love to have this pain in the ass of a car at before it snows. The first one is August 26th so at least I have some time. But I've missed all these other dead lines too. It's time to change that! I'm going to try and get the rest of the tunnel done this weekend so I can get it bolted to the floor and be done with that portion.

I was able to get the LH rear side panel made and welded on the tunnel cover. Now to make probably 10 more pieces and weld it up. Hopefully it doesn't take another week with all the other stuff I have to get done. I did get 2 out of the 3 remaining garnish moldings painted. Hopefully I'll get the 4th done tomorrow. I also ordered some material to cover some panels to get rid of the purple ones it had.

We went to a car show in Chelsea Iowa last weekend to hand out fliers for our show in September and there was only 1 39/40 Ford there out of 400 cars and trucks. I was surprised by that. It was pretty nice. I really like the over head console in it. I don't like the LT1 chrome letters on the hood, but like the solid panel where the hood latch is and very nice interior.

I like the color on the "Creamsicle" 39/40... Is the panel over the bumper irons stock? I don't remember that... I like the look.. just don't remember it.

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Originally Posted by 34_40

I like the color on the "Creamsicle" 39/40... Is the panel over the bumper irons stock? I don't remember that... I like the look.. just don't remember it.

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No I'm pretty sure those were never a thing on these. The first thing I thought of when I saw it was, man my kids would be stepping on it to look in the engine bay or what ever. :LOL:

Yesterday after work I had a bunch of stuff going on.

I started off by getting the top to my trans tunnel cut out. It's fitting decent. I just have a little more trimming and fitting to do and I can weld it in. I did find a boot to put over the shifter as well. I'll add nut serts to the tunnel to attach it to.

I've had a 2001 2500HD I've been parting out and like a genius I forgot to remove the gas tank and of course the frame is setting on the trailer with the bed full of junk already. The tank can't be in it to get turned into toyotas. :LOL: I got it out without killing myself. I at first I was just going to cut the bottom of the front strap and as I was I just visioned the thing blowing up as I cut through the plastic tank and sparks flying from the steel strap. Bad idea. Haha

I also had a guy come buy an old chevy pick up step bumper, and I had to get the front cradle/suspension removed from my 72 C10 donor suburban.

I think my high light yesterday was my new air cleaner set up was delivered. I'm not sure why I didn't think of one of these earlier, but I've always loved these finned scoops. I had one years ago and oddly enough it had 392 Hemi hand painted on it. It was just a single carb scoop, but I loved it. When the light bulb went off to get one again, I knew the finned aluminum would set right in place with the rest. Now I think it looks like an old school hot rod. :3dSMILE:

".......At first I wasn't happy with the look of it. But you know what, it'll be covered in kill mat......"

Yeah transmission tunnels can be a PIA. I was happy about with the floor/tunnel I did in the 37, but the 87 Ram 50 was a giant pain and there were a couple of places I wasn't real happy with my work (I was using stainless too.). I came to the same conclusion as you, and by the time I added insulation and a rubber floor mat (instead of carpet) you couldn't tell it didn't come from the factory that way.

Of all your air-cleaner options, I definitely like this one the best (the Six Pack comes in second, but I'm prejudice LOL )

The neat thing about the pre-war cars is the amount of height you have for air cleaner clearance.

I'm already wondering what air cleaner issues I'll run into with the HEMI in the Valiant.


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I say the same thing about my running boards. I’ve had people standing on them, and when I walk up I ask where is your car so I can go stand on it?

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Originally Posted by 34_40

I say the same thing about my running boards. I’ve had people standing on them, and when I walk up I ask where is your car so I can go stand on it?

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LOL with the page change you had me scratching my head, but then I paged back and found the reply about that "Creamsicle" custom valance panel on the '40, and Ryan saying he figured his kids would just be standing on it to look at the engine! That's one of the things about running boards - people think they are meant for standing, even if they're finish painted!

Mike, after I put it on I stood back and thought it's going to be close on the front but I think it will fit. The only down side to this scoop is it is a bit more work to get on and off. At least now I can change the looks by switching between the 2 if I want to.

Roger and other Mike, yeah, that's always drove me nuts about pre war cars and running boards. I can't tell you how many times I've seen kids on running boards and you know right away that kid is not related to the owner. The kid means no harm, they are just excited and it's obviously a place to perch and hang off that awesome open window. :LOL: I always try to keep an eye on my kids because I don't want them doing exactly this. They have done it to this car several times when it was mocked up. That's the biggest reason I left pads on the running boards and didn't smooth them. I really wanted to smooth them out, and notch them and put the side pipes down the edge. Luckily those side pies this car had are stupid expensive so I didn't buy any. :LOL: Really on this car, you don't even need the running boards. It will be nice to have them back on again.

I didn't get anything done to it last night. My wife took the kids to her brother's house to swim. After work I had to go wait for a guy to come pick up that C10 front suspension. Lucky enough for me he couldn't read a clock and dicked up my whole afternoon. He was supposed to be there at 3:30 but showed up closer to 5. So I ended up leaving after I waited from 2-3 for him, went swimming, came back, helped load the suspension, then back to swimming. We had a storm come through too. It was 85* when I came back from dealing with the suspension. It dropped 12* and poured. Their pool is salt water and heated. It felt so amazing! I heard they had a heater for it but I didn't realize they used it year round. Maybe the water was just that warm from the sun but idk. It sure was nice until a fat guy had to get out and get the umbrella down that was trying to take flight! :LOL:

I'm reduced to "Other Mike"...! sigh

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Originally Posted by 34_40

I'm reduced to "Other Mike"...! sigh

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I figured other Mike was better than the BMW term M3...... :LOL:

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I figured other Mike was better than the BMW term M3...... :LOL:

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HAH! I did it to R2... so I guess I would deserve it! Besides, it would keep the riff raff guessing! HAHAHAHAHA......

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HAH! I did it to R2... so I guess I would deserve it! Besides, it would keep the riff raff guessing! HAHAHAHAHA......

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But R2 is double R, Randy Ross, not the second Randy, unless I missed something.... And R2's F100 is nearing completion, and it's AWESOME!!

Yesterday was a humid one but I got the trans tunnel fit and welded up. Now to drill some holes, and add some nutserts to the floor. I'll clean up some of the welds, but it's pretty much done. Now I can put the dash in and decide how I want to do my center console.

I also cut and modified the brake pedal lever. Since my floor is no longer angled and is flat, I had to modify the lever one, so it is closer to the same height as the gas pedal, and 2, so the pedal pad is closer to the orientation of your foot compared to the stock one. I took roughly 2.5" out of it. I have to run a tap down the threads to get the pad to set flush in the arm and then it'll be where it needs to be. It's as close as it can be and have full travel of the arm.

I still have to add nutserts to retain my shift boot as well. At least there isn't a huge hole in the floor now.

Whew! A good milestone met on the tunnel, and getting the brake pad optimized too! We're getting a bit of a break from the heat here the past few days. Had some HORRIBLE humidity, but the past two days that's been better, too but this morning's thunderstorm dumped 1/2" of rain so I expect the humidity will be through the roof later today....

Progress! And yes, I agree, a milestone was reached. I was figuring you'd say the console could be a winter time job.. September is almost here ! LOL.. You guys talking about the weather - we had a small tornado go by us in the next town over. EF1 tearing up some trees and homes, for us it was 4 to 6 inches of rain in about 40 to 45 minutes!! At my house my dirt & stone drive look like the grand canyon now.

Tunnel looks good Ryan, dress the welds a bit and and call it good.

I ended up going thru 3 iterations on the brake pedal in the 37 Dodge before I was happy.

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It's good you got the tunnel covered! You could've lost a kid in there, and not discovered him/her missing 'till dinner time, or worse 'till bedtime!! But if it was your parts thief that might have been his access/egress point, so still good to have it closed!

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Whew! A good milestone met on the tunnel, and getting the brake pad optimized too! We're getting a bit of a break from the heat here the past few days. Had some HORRIBLE humidity, but the past two days that's been better, too but this morning's thunderstorm dumped 1/2" of rain so I expect the humidity will be through the roof later today....

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I've always had bad dreams of other people driving this thing and wrecking it because you would have had to drive it with 2 feet. I wanted to eliminate that the best I could. The weather has been crazy lately. Finally we're getting rain, but it sure can't be normal. :LOL:

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Progress! And yes, I agree, a milestone was reached. I was figuring you'd say the console could be a winter time job.. September is almost here ! LOL.. You guys talking about the weather - we had a small tornado go by us in the next town over. EF1 tearing up some trees and homes, for us it was 4 to 6 inches of rain in about 40 to 45 minutes!! At my house my dirt & stone drive look like the grand canyon now.

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I really wanted to not do it now but I want to hide my fuse panel in there and hopefully make the car a little more friendly to work on. We'll see how that turns out. I'm sorry to hear about the nader but glad you didn't get much damage and no one was hurt. I love a good storm but you can't out run a nader.

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Originally Posted by Mike P

Tunnel looks good Ryan, dress the welds a bit and and call it good.

I ended up going thru 3 iterations on the brake pedal in the 37 Dodge before I was happy.

Good progress.


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Thanks Mike, everything else has been 3x on this so I guess 2x on this is a good changing point. :LOL:

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It's good you got the tunnel covered! You could've lost a kid in there, and not discovered him/her missing 'till dinner time, or worse 'till bedtime!! But if it was your parts thief that might have been his access/egress point, so still good to have it closed!

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Oh yeah, little Cody would definitely be hiding stuff from the bottom up. I've got to take a pic of him kneeling down under this thing acting like he is working on it. What a little stink.

Ok, yesterday afternoon I got some disturbing news so I was in a crap mood. On top of that Cody wasn't feeling well. He climbed up on my leg and wanted me to hold him when I got home from work. I sat with him for a while and then when he was asleep I decided it would be a good idea to go put my dash in and start getting on this console. I should have stayed inside....... I got the dash sat up and in place with 1 bolt in it. I went to go to the other side and bam! The dash fell down and smacked the shifter on the way down. Man I was irate. I'm still mad. I'd really like to say to heck with this thing and put it back in the barn but I know if I do, it'll be another year before I can work on it due to everything I have setting waiting to get done. That's how my day went, how'd yours go?

pS My friend sent me this and I had to share it. Yeah, I'm a lefty. :LOL:

Been having some issues accessing the site for the last few days, but got caught up just now. Tunnel looks good. Sorry about the shifter incident.

Really glad the tornado missed you. That's the main worry I have with hurricanes down here. Usually not much to them except a lot of rain by the time they make it this far inland, but they have a nasty habit of spawning pop up tornadoes. Not much warning if any.

Fuse block in the console is a good idea. That's where I wanted mine, but didn't have enough room. As I've gotten older, I put more effort into making things easier to work on.

Hope your issues improve so your mood gets better.

Thanks Mike. It's going to be tough to get a lot done the next little bit. My wife is leaving for The Lake of the Ozarks to visit her sister for the weekend so I will have all the kids to my self. They may be doomed. :LOL: Allyson also decided to work our state fair in a concession trailer. She hasn't went to any regular job in 11yrs. Her first day was yesterday and she said it was non stop. They originally had her as a cashier but the lady that runs it had them under staffed so Allyson got offered to cook instead. They have one of the featured foods at the fair so they were extremally busy the entire time. She said she didn't understand where the people kept coming from. :LOL:

I've got to finish loading some junk as I have a 2001 2500hd I've parted out and the remains need to go bye bye. I also picked up a 72 GMC 2500 Longhorn I've had for about 2 years. It was already converted to 4x4 and has a vortec 454 in it. When going to cruise to the woods last year we were on our way and Allyson over heated the thing. It was nuclear. I've never heard an engine or cooling system whistle like a steam locomotive. I purchased a parts truck for it and have been selling bits I don't need off of it. I need to get enough to buy another 454 and some bits for the 40 I found on an online site in ND. A guy up there has stainless hood hinges, new head light buckets, and trim rings I'd like to get. Hopefully I can make this happen soon. I'd like to have the ol GMC mobile again and possibly sell it.

I was able to get some time in the garage yesterday. I spent most of that time cleaning up and fixing an end table for the wife. Now that her sister's husband has fully retired from his county job, they are moving to their lake house in the Ozarks. His wife already is living there and working at a nursing home there. This sister had a barn and they used to host barn sales a few times. Do you know what that means? That means we had/have to go get all the unsold products from there because they are selling the place. :LOL: Just what I need, more stuff to hold on to. (If it were car and truck parts it would be ok) :LOL: She wants to finish a couple of the end tables so we can trash a couple in the house the kids and a dog have helped tear up.

I did put my back garnish moldings on mainly to get them off where I had them set because I could see them getting knocked off. After I put the LH one on, I could kind of see a flash back of the old 40 from my child hood seeing the black and tan again. That was a comforting feeling, I'm not even going to hide it.

Hey Ryan, got a quick question. Are the valve covers you're using the stock height Ansen covers? I'm kind of looking at a set of them for the Plymouth, pretty sure the tall aluminum covers I have aren't going to fit.


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Hey Ryan, got a quick question. Are the valve covers you're using the stock height Ansen covers? I'm kind of looking at a set of them for the Plymouth, pretty sure the tall aluminum covers I have aren't going to fit.


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Mike, yes, these are the Ansen covers. They may be stock height but they are taller or larger and would not fit where my stock valve covers did. Ansen says they are stock dimensions but stock spark plugs won't work. These are a direct copy of Moon valve covers from what I have gathered. I got my info from Hot Heads. I still need to order the longer spark plug tubes to be able to drive this thing. First I'd have to get it running. :LOL:

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Thanks Ryan. I ordered a pair that are supposed to get here tomorrow.

I know the tall aluminum ones I currently have on the 354 are not going to fit in the Valiant without a LOT of massaging and I really want aluminum covers on this car.

Good to know about the spark plug tubes. Are they too tall or too short? If they are short I might get lucky and the ones currently in my tall covers might work.

I also noticed you are running a rear sump pan on the 392.......you don't happen to know where I could find a stock center sump 392 pan do you?


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