Here is a shot of the motor mount
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...tranny2007.jpg
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Here is a shot of the motor mount
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...tranny2007.jpg
Ignore the last picture it was a demo for Evolvo.
Well today I got the engine in with the help of my neighbor. We fit the engine in place, tack welded the mounts, then took it out, pounded the fire wall back a few inches right in front of the accelerator linkage(didn't want to cut and patch, then welded and bolted brackets in place and put engine in for last time. What a great feeling! Tight fit, but it works and the new engine angle is 1-2 degrees once the tranny is bolted up!:D
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The engine looks great in it's new home!!!!! Some very nice work on the truck, Steve! Gonna be a tire smokin' beast, for sure!!!!!
Thanks Dave it may not seem like a big deal but it is the culmination of at least a half a dozen fittings, measuring and cuttings, not to mention at least a few months of effort. I hope things progress more smoothly from here! I realized if I cut the fire wall, I would be cutting into the accelerator linkage and petal, and leaving myself no room for my feet, so all it needed was about a half inch pounding back to give me the clearance necessary to clear the driver's side valve covers and you can't really see the dent anyway. As my wife says Perfection is the enemy of good enough!:LOL:
Yup, much as we hate too, sometimes a build project does require a bit of comprimise...... A bit of hammer mod on the firewall probably saved another 30 hours of labor that would be required to rebuild everything else.....
Steve,
Looks good! This is the stage where your wife comes out to the garage and you have been staring at what you have accomplished for about 2 hours and says, "what are you looking at?" Don't bother trying to explain :LOL:
Ken
Looking really good Steve. 460's are sure big muthers, aren't they? Every part of them weighs like 100 lbs. Don't think you are alone in the big hammer department, why do you think they build 20 lb sledge hammers? They move sheet metal like butter. :D:D
Don
Funny you should mention 20lb sledges Don, I tried with the two pounder aka Persuader, but I was pounding a reinforced corner welded two layers thick, so out came the 10lb aka Intimidator, and your right, just like butter!:LOL:
Ken I think Monique was happy that I could finaly move on, but your right, the staring thing never makes sense to anyone but the starer!:rolleyes:
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Ken I think Monique was happy that I could finaly move on, but your right, the staring thing never makes sense to anyone but the starer!:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
And NOBODY would ever understand why we do that one last turnaround just as we are turning off the garage lights for the night. Sometimes I stand there then go back and sit in my chair for a while longer just to soak it in some more.
Yep, we're all crazy.:p:LOL::LOL:
Don
When you look at how many years we have been doing this and we still take that extra look or sit back down for that extra stare, like you said Don.
I have gone home taken a shower after working all day and half the night on my car and driven back to work and stand there and stared at it again. But I really think sometimes that's when some of the best ideas are thought of. It's an obsession :eek::D
Ken
Wow, that's good news..............I thought it was just ME!! :eek::LOL::LOL:
I used to feel pretty silly when my wife would walk out into the garage unexpected and find me sitting in my car, just looking stupid. :o
Don
Well the last look the truck got yesterday involved the middle finger and some yelling!
I tried to get it assembled before work, big mistake. One of the things I was worried about was all the exposed areas of the engine. So I got the valve covers back on, then the carburator, went to the distributer next, and you guessed it, the damb hold down bolt, right down the shaft. Went after it with the extendable magnet, only to hear the unpleasant plunk on metal meeting oil! I was so pissed at myself for being so stupid! This was exactly what I was trying to avoid. Not sure If I'll be able to get it by any means other than draining the oil and dropping the pan. Rooky mistake!
When I tried to thread the temperature sender into the gooseneck it also won't go in. It may have the wrong thread configuration, or just some chrome on the first few threads, making it not bite! So I'll either need a new goose neck, or will need to tap it for the sending unit!
Here is a shot of it with some of the parts on for now!
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...ginein2006.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...ginein2007.jpg
That is one fiiiiiine lookin' power plant.
Thanks!:3dSMILE:
Steve,
We have all done similar things, my best advise Is, walk away. Come back when you calm down. It's very frustrating at times. Just think back of all the things people have posted, Don's powder coating ordeal, my wiring :eek: and many other examples of frustration. It will be better when you get your hands on that little bugger :D Your motor is looking really nice!
Ken
Thanks I'm going to try and find one of those retractable claws in a cable, with the push button spring on one end, and go fishing. Your right the best thing was walking away! Thanks for your kind words. Hows the highboy driving?
Tomorrow I'm taking it to San Lois Obisbo for our annual club meeting with the Bay Area Roadsters and San Lois Obisbo Roadsters car clubs. Tina's following me in her car :LOL: She has such little faith. Her comment was "I'm not getting stuck in that thing" :eek:
Ken
Have a nice drive! Beautiful weather for it.
Isn't this stuff FUN Steve? :D Wish I had some tip to offer you to get that bolt out, but I don't. I had some thoughts about draining the oil, then putting a small diameter rubber hose (like 1/2 fuel line) taped to the end of a shop vac and running it down in there to suck the bolt up, but that would be a real shot in the dark.
If it's any consolation, the motor looks great! :D:D
Don
Thanks Don
I got one of those cable grabbers today, will give it a go tomorrow after the return from Dentist. Root Canal. Harley battery bad after only 1 year and connected to battery tender! Not my week. Main PC taken out by virus, everything gone, lap top infected with bug, took two hours to fix, bolt down the hole......On a positive note I'm off the next two days! My next engine thing is to find a way to hide the blue snot(RTV sealant on water pump, and tap gooseneck to get temp assending unit in. Then Friday modify transmission crossmember and bolt in place! It is exciting to be able to move foward. Expect lots of stupid questions in the near future! **):LOL:
Waded through the honey do's this week and got to the truck today. The distributor hold down bolt in the pan remained evasive despite many little retrieval devices, my favorite was a spring cable with retractable magnet which keeps magnet from grabbing everything every time you put it near metal.
So alas the old tried and true method of pulling of the pan worked. I got a new oil drain pan, so I could reuse the oil, since it's new and has a very expensive SFR oil additive in it to save the cam shaft lobes on start up!. I want to thank Techinspector for two things, one advice to the SFR, two for the one piece reusable rubber oil pan gasget. Made it much easier to do the reseal from under the truck!:D
Next I fitted the transmission cross member and jacked the tail of the transmission up level. It turns out it needs to be modified 3 1/2" back to easily attach to the frame, which I decided welding an extension plate to the cross member will do the trick. I went to Van Berbers steel and got a free peice of scrap 1/4" plate, 4" by 12". Then I hustled it to a local welder but missed him by one hour. So tomorrow, I'll take it to hem and hopefully be able to get it in this weekend! All in all not a bad day. I dreaded the pan and put it off, but it wasn't bad at all. The hotrod show last week was inspirational to get off my butt and get to work.:D:eek::LOL:
Steve that engine does look great quote on the exacto knife and some tedious work to trim it up .
I went to the local welder today. Nice guy, has a 56 ford hotrod. He's going to modify the transmission cross member. At first I thought I'd just extend the mounting tang to the bottom of the tranny, to make the cross members fall 3 1/2" to 4" back from where it is now. Then I started to think this will extend it back to where it would get in the way with the drive shaft potentially. So after talking to Shotwell today , decided to angle the side bars back instead, keeping everything away from the drive train. Should be a lot stronger when he's done.
Got my modified transmission mount back this afternoon. The welder/steel worker mounted tabs offset back 3 1/2" to avoid frame mounting issues with the brake booster and old crossmember. Came out pretty good. Will try to get it in in the morning. I also took him some templates for my floor pan patches which he said he could cut, and bend to shape. I guess if the drive line cooperates and goes in, without mods, I'll plumb the gas tank in too. Figure I'll wait on the floor pans before starting the initial wiring. Here's a shot of the modified member and the original.
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...tranny2011.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...ns/brk1010.jpg
Well back to the drawing board. The bad thing about someones better idea, is sometimes you need to think a little longer on it!:LOL:
The driver's side of the mount now hits the bell of the brake booster. Back to Trevor for some mods! Cool thing is he was excited about my project and decided to dust the dirt off his 56 f1 today, and got an engine for it. So in a way I did him a big favor. He said having his metal shop right there at home makes it really easy to work on it during down times or after work. Good guys!:cool:
Also discussed the floor pans he's going to fab out. Good news is the dogs finally got a real walk, the yard got spruced up, and the truck is slowly getting there!:LOL:
Got my floor patch panels today. Decided to por 15 the bottom layer first before attaching the new panels. The new panels basically cover the weak spots and the gross holes in the floor boards by driver and passenger feet. I still have open bolt holes for the stock seat, in hopes to find one some day. I'll probably just bolt and washer them for now to keep the dirt out! I also got some seam sealer from napa to fill all the small cracks and holes as well as run around the edges of the new panels.
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Here are the new panels that will go over the old areas .
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...vens/001-6.jpg
Decided to go ahead and bolt passenger panel in, even though paint is still tachy. Will remove clean, seal and rebolt on tomorrow before work. Came out ok!
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...ovens/bolt.jpg
Thanks. The driver side being removable is necessary to adjust the brake linkage and get to the master cylinder! I'm thinking about putting a remote canister setup, so it would be easier to get fluid in there.
Looks good Steve, I'm checking on a stock seat for you. I was telling a friend of mine about your project and he said he has a friend that is parting one out.
Ken
Thanks Ken. Always good knowing a source for old parts!
Picked up the tranny mount today. It worked like a charm, I guess three is my lucky number. Then I bolted in my driver's side floor pan. I was doing all of this with a horrible headache. But it is done and that's a good feeling.
Steve, those headaches are terrible. It's always a good feeling when something goes right.
Your doing a good job, I wish I could say the same here but too many other things come first. I was set to work on the cooling system but my wife gave me another job, so here I sit tired, and the car has to wait for another day. I hope the headache goes away so you can continue.
Richard
Thanks Richard. I hope the radiator problem gets fixed soon. By the way, I've seen some good buys on new aluminum radiators on ebay. Most will make a custom one for you if you ask. One I called who said thier price is cheaper, because they are the manufacturer selling direct not through a retail outlet. I probably will go thru ebay for mine.
On a different note I had to loosen my shift linkage when jacking the tranny up for the new mount. The bottom of the cable linkage was holding the transmission too low for the mount to bolt up flush to the frame, interesting enough, I got the mount drilled and bolted in, and thendropped the jack(motorcycle jack which works great for this). To my suprise the tranny seated itself to the right engine angle, and now clears the bottom of the shifter linkage. I might shim the base of the shifter inside the cab to keep it from rubbing against the tranny, but it worked out pretty good.
Now I just need to remove my floor panels and paint them on both side and caulk and bolt them back in.
Nice job Steve,
I haven't been around in a while but you've made some good progress. That engine looks great!
The bolt you dropped in reminded me of something I did. I took the valve covers off to put my inner springs back in after break in and when I went to put the covers back on I couldn't find one of the bolts. I searched for it and it made me feel kind of sick to think I may have to tear it all down and start again. I went inside for the night and the next morning I found it still attached to a clamp. It's longer than the rest so I didn't want it going in the wrong hole, WHEW!
Keep it up,
Sean
Yep. I've done more than my share of stupid stuff on this build. The hardest lesson is what to buy, when. I've finally come to the conclusion that you just need to build it, test it, and then take it all apart for painting. I was hoping to avoid the taking it all apart part, but I now see the error of my ways!:LOL:
I'm trying to balance the ever stacking house maintenance against the truck. Both need stuff done to them during good weather! I've got a few wood decks to restain, a yard to maintain, and my wife's 40th Bday to plan! But I also want to get that engine started and a lot of parts back on the truck! I'd love to clean the shop up, throwaway a billion old boxes and label all the truck stuff so I can find it!:D
I have thursday and friday off so hopefully I'll get the gas tank plumbed in, and the accelerator linkage and kickdown cable installed, and if I'm really good, the wiring started!
Then I'm out of here for a week to backpack the Lost coast (25 mile stretch of ocean between Mendocino and Humboldt Counties that hasn't been touched, and has no road access, other than on the ends.
Today was productive but had many trips to the parts and hardware stores!:D
I started out but finaly getting the transmission inspection plate back on. It has been sitting around forever, took 1 minute to do. Next worked on sealing all the water and vacuum plugs on the intake. Then put in the new temp and oil transendinding units from auto meter. Put plugs back in, and mounted the alternator with the new march performance bracket. This was not as straight foward as it could have been. Their were standard and metric thread issues as well as spacers that needed to be cut to size. I think because I'm using a Weiand water pump, that the spacers they provided wouldn't work. But like everything else, and what dave say, a little cutting....
I also worked on getting the drive line in. I had to spray some penetrating oil on the old u joint to free the spring pins which were rusted it. After soaking all day they just came out. Not sure how to remove the u joint, but guessing you pull the end caps off where the spring clips hold them in place, and then the rest will slide out?
Here are some shots.
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...vens/pull1.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...ovens/pul1.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...ns/pshaft1.jpg
and a shot of the final install on the tranny mount.
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...ns/pmount1.jpg
If you've followed this thread, you can see just from the last two posts, how easy it is for me to get redirected!:LOL:
Felt good today, but wished I spent more time on truck and less in the car! Maybe tomorrow the gas tank and drive line will go in. I'm looking for pictures of how my transmission linkage was hooked up, so I can get that done too!:eek:
Steve, you are really getting close, pretty soon it will be ready to fire up. Again you're doing a good job.
Richard