My 29 tudor Flathead instalation??

I could use some advice on motor mounts and radiator placement. the motor mounts i used for mach up look terrible and the bottom hoses on the radiator are killing me. if i place the radiator where it needs to be for the bottom hoses it sits way to high, if i lower it where it looks good there is nowhere to run the hoses. here are a few pics
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the blue engine is for mach up only. any advice/pics would be greatly appreciated

Fab some tubing in a roughly Z shape, use short lengths of straight hose on the engine and radiator sides of it. You'll end up using 4 clamps each side, but it works. Copper or stainless would last longer than mild steel.

i was thinking something like that could restrict flow. its worth a try. i was also thinking of fabing something out of rectangle tubing that would fit between spings and axle. i think your idea is better

Been a while since I played with a flathead, but I remember they used to use truck water pumps because the mounts were more suited to a hot rod frame. Also, you have your mounts right up against the water pump, and you would actually have rubber bisquit type mounts in between, which would lower the frame portion of the mount.

Since you are going with this engine you might want to pick up Vern Tardels book on building traditional hot rods. I plan on getting one when I start building a car around the flathead I have stored away. I think it addresses mounts, water pumps, etc.

Don

I will try to locate that book online. Thanks for the help. I can use alot of help at this point. I have never built a car before. it has been a challenge and fun at the same time

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Thought i would ADD a few more pictures of the build to make this thread a little more interesting

WELL?? i know someone has an opinion? what did i do wrong? what should i do next?

nice job on the Zed frame and lightning holes

I don't know what you are using to locate the height of the engine in ehe car but it is sitting several inches higher than most A/V8's I have seen.
The mount pad should be very close to level with the top of the frame rail and then the mount biscuit on that to space it up another 1 1/2" or so.
That should put the water pump outlets just above the crossmember.

Well, if you're going to beg to be beat on................................:LOL:

First, your steering is on the wrong side.;)

On a more serious note, hanging a suicide suspension on a stock style front crossmember with frame horns you run the risk of bottoming out the axle at the frame bottom, that's why most suicide style frames typically end behind the axle line. Looking at the one picture with the engine in from the direct front you're not very far below the frame, and you don't have all the weight on the front end yet (radiator, headlamps, coolant, a portion of the rest of what you'll mount on the rest of the car). I don't know what spring rate you've got, but I'd expect at least two inches of upward travel, perhaps more, especially on uneven surfaces where the axle will pivot at the spring centerline rather than straight up and down on both sides.

i have the engine high because I'm trying to keep the oil pan from dragging. i was thinking of lowering it a couple of inches so that the transmission does not take as much of what little leg room i will have. and as far as the font end goes i am going to add some springs. if i bounce on the frame horns now it bottoms out. i like the ride height just need to add some stiffness

any ideas or pictures of 4 hose radiators on a model A?

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any ideas or pictures of 4 hose radiators on a model A?

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Are you going to try to keep the top of the grill level with the cowl?
If so you will be working with a pretty small radiator and flattys aren't known for being particularly easy to cool.
I'm guessing you will be using an electric fan.

yes i want the radiator even with cowl (looks terrible above cowl) i was thinking something like. fabing rectangle tubing or something to run underneath axle orrrrrrr maybe a radiator in back of car??????

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I will try to locate that book online. Thanks for the help. I can use alot of help at this point. I have never built a car before. it has been a challenge and fun at the same time

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I'm not sure this is the book Don was referring to, but Vern Tardel is listed as one of the co-authors.....
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...3379591&sr=1-1

ya thats the book that i found already ordered it from Amazon and also a book on flathead horsepower (maybe build the blue one with a little more power) Techinspector what is your opinion on rear mount radiators with a flathead? i have a 12 volt converted generator that should be about 45amp not sure if that is big enough to run a electric fan big enough to cool in south Texas heat

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I'm not sure this is the book Don was referring to, but Vern Tardel is listed as one of the co-authors.....
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...3379591&sr=1-1

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I think that is the book that was referred to and it has a wealth of info in it. But

It won't address many of the issues here because it deals with a mostly stock frame and body.
With the frame kicked up on both ends and the body channeled over it is a whole different build.

This has all been done before and I'm sure some of the experts will help out.
I am much more familiar with the traditional build but just jumped in with a couple of observations.

The book is still well worth the $$ so don't hesitate to get it.
The more you can get your hands on to reference the better.

Seems like a lot of cost and complexity for no advantage. Why?

i dont want the radiator to sit above the cowl. i was worried about the hose being ran under the axle would look bad. i guess if i fab or bend tubing and take my time it should look ok

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i dont want the radiator to sit above the cowl. i was worried about the hose being ran under the axle would look bad. i guess if i fab or bend tubing and take my time it should look ok

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If you're going to route the lower radiator hose under the axle, I suggest you carry a few spares and plenty of water/antifreeze.

why do you say that? i was thinking as long as nothing is below the wheel it would be almost impossible to drag

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why do you say that? i was thinking as long as nothing is below the wheel it would be almost impossible to drag

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Let's see, speed bumps, pot holes and road kill come to mind.

oh that is not a problem. i will just give my wife a pick ax and a shovel and have her leave the house a few minutes ahead of me:HMMM:

ok got the motor mounts in. Now for the radiator. can a radiator be shortened?
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Can you instal or have installed a lower hose neck that would point up at 90 degrees, then use a piece of either mandrel bent tubing or a flexible hose to go to the engine?????

A radiator shop should be able to make your radiator any length you want it.....at a price!

it would have to be a really shap 90. i would assume that would restrict flow. i will try to use a 90 but if i have to atleast i know now a radiator shop can reduce the height of the radiator.

badass man!!! wish i could afford one of these body's I have a running flat head!

If you're "Z"ing a hose. so to speak, use a length of rectangular tubing for the vertical bit. Round the ends off to match the round tubes, or even use 1" X 2" rect. for 1 1/2" round and have a nice round end on the rect. that's bigger than the round stuff, so the hoses aren't sticking out past the "Z" bit. Not much more work, but a whole lot better looking!
By the way, you do know that the fan mount is inverted in your pics?

ya i just stuck the fan on for looks. I'm surprised your the first one to pick up on that. as for the 1x2 tubing are you saying to round the end of the rectangle tubing? if so HOW?

another small problem i am having is gas/brake pedal clearance there is not much room between frame and transmission. any ideas?

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its Really Helpful for me....
Thanks!