Flames, flakes, shimrin base coats

I looked for old post but couldnt find what I was lookin for
Here is my questions, final stage in sanding on my model A.
Want to paint it white with a blue metalflake flames and also going to paint the cage flake.
#1 Can I pull off spraying flake for flames without having to much of a step in a tape edge? Between flake and clear might be pretty thick?
I was wanting to use .008 flake or .015?

#2 Has anybody use the House of Kolor Shrimn base, was looking at a Lapis blue, can you notice the flake in it? Was looking at the coarse metallic.
About what size flake is in it?

#3 I am spraying the 30 sdr sedan, frame and underneathe, About how many gallons of base and clear will I need?

#4 Whats a nice white color to go with?

Sounds great! I am starting to see flake making a comeback.

No way to avoid the step in the paint. I would use a fine flake to minimize the step. Also a bright pinstripe, like orange (which is the complimentary color for blue), will help to hide the light reflection on the edges.

The thinnest would be a coat of solid medium blue, with a fine blue flake over it, then plenty of clear so you can sand and buff without hitting the flake.

I would recommend the Metajules ceramic flake, since even the small flakes appear bigger when they light up... but it is no longer being made, and even if you find some, you may need to repair it someday only to find you can't locate any more.

Painters today go crazy sanding between coats. I only do it if I see a need. If you use a flake other than silver, and sand into a few flakes, you will have bright silver specks showing. If it's over a black base, you can go back with a toothpick and black out those few flakes, and they will disappear. Otherwise, it is an issue.

For that reason I will recommend silver, with candy over it after the sanding, but that will also add to the thickness.

Life is a compromise. :-)

I was looking at this flake, to keep it the same color what base would I use? If I spray a blue base will it be lighter? If I use ther .004 flake, would it be less build up then the .008?
http://www.tcpglobal.com/kustomshop/kusf14.aspx

A black base will give a darker color overall, because you do see the background between the flakes.

A medium-dark blue shade would help to hide any uneven pattern (splotchiness) in the flake.

As far as the size, I would be guessing, since I don't compare the measurements. I always look to see if I like the samples or not. Since they don't always lay nice and flat, I would assume that you will get a thicker paint layer.

The real question is... which one gives the kind of look you want. That would be more important to ME, than how thick the edge is. More people will notice the sparkle of the flake, than the edges.

Always remember... you will not be able to satisfy everyone who looks at it, no matter what you do. As long as you are happy, ignore the critics. :-)

I don't do as much flake as I'd like, but here are a few jobs. These are all medium sized flake.

Just chiming in on painting the cage with flake. That's gonna be alot of work with the clear and all. You may want to stick with just a solid color and devote the time to the flames and flake. Sounds like it will be very koool.

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Originally Posted by sunsetdart

Just chiming in on painting the cage with flake. That's gonna be alot of work with the clear and all. You may want to stick with just a solid color and devote the time to the flames and flake. Sounds like it will be very koool.

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I would have to agree. Painting a cage is hard enough, without using a more difficult paint type.

x 3 , I flaked my 32 chassis with tube crossmembers and it wasnt easy to keep it all wet :(

I much prefer a matching mettalic colour under the flake compared to black, Its much more sparklier, I put this down to fact that the mettalic base coat reflects the flake whereas black won't.

I also prefer the mini flake for 2 reasons, one is its a lot easier to bury than the large flake and the second is its much more sparklier, I have a freind with a 34 coupe who has the real big flake and when our cars are parked next to each other mine is way more flakey. I put this down to the fact that per square inch mine has more flakes than his.

here's a quick video of my mini flake in the sun, its very sparkly :D


http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...h_SANY0080.jpg


http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...20august08.jpg

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Originally Posted by HOTRODPAINT

I would have to agree. Painting a cage is hard enough, without using a more difficult paint type.

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I had a dark metalic blue VW bug and we used a light almost powder blue pin strip
and man was that thing sharp. Everyone kept leaving notes on it trying to buy it from me. Finally after 5 years I gave in and sold it, wish I would have not now.
Kurt

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Originally Posted by HOTRODPAINT

A black base will give a darker color overall, because you do see the background between the flakes.

A medium-dark blue shade would help to hide any uneven pattern (splotchiness) in the flake.

As far as the size, I would be guessing, since I don't compare the measurements. I always look to see if I like the samples or not. Since they don't always lay nice and flat, I would assume that you will get a thicker paint layer.

The real question is... which one gives the kind of look you want. That would be more important to ME, than how thick the edge is. More people will notice the sparkle of the flake, than the edges.

Always remember... you will not be able to satisfy everyone who looks at it, no matter what you do. As long as you are happy, ignore the critics. :-)

I don't do as much flake as I'd like, but here are a few jobs. These are all medium sized flake.

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Hotrodpaint, in the fender you painted the Jim Morrison tribute on, what base and color flake did you use? That is the kolor I am shooting for :D
I guess I need not to flake the cage, but I sure want to try, sure would POP :D

What the best way , dry or wet spray?

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Originally Posted by PRO53

Hotrodpaint, in the fender you painted the Jim Morrison tribute on, what base and color flake did you use? That is the kolor I am shooting for :D
I guess I need not to flake the cage, but I sure want to try, sure would POP :D

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That was a black base... you can see it between the flakes around the edges of the photo.

I don't remember exactly what the flake was. It is always best to look at actual color chips anyway. Pictures can change the look of a color. I would advise you make a trip to your paint store, look at their charts, and see what they have available.

If nobody has charts locally, jump online and order charts from a couple suppliers. It is better to spend a few bucks, before you get into a situation that is diappointing later.

To spray a .004 flake, what size tip? My primer gun has a 1.8, touch up 1.0 and spray gun 1.3.

I use a 1.6 for mini flake, a 1.8 for the ordinary stuff and i have a 2.5 tip for the big glowble stuff, i usually put it on at around 20-25psi otherwise it can bounce.

I have one of those dry guns which i think are rubbish, very messy

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Originally Posted by PRO53

To spray a .004 flake, what size tip? My primer gun has a 1.8, touch up 1.0 and spray gun 1.3.

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Originally Posted by roadster32

I use a 1.6 for mini flake, a 1.8 for the ordinary stuff and i have a 2.5 tip for the big glowble stuff, i usually put it on at around 20-25psi otherwise it can bounce.

I have one of those dry guns which i think are rubbish, very messy

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I wonder if I can get a 1.6 for a touch up gun? Might be alttle easier to spray the cage with a smaller gun. How many coats of color and clear do you have on your frame? Its awesome. And by the way your T you are building with the stainless frame is a work of ART :D

Thanks, for the Help. Still more questions:D
I will most likely be useing House of Kolor.
What is a good clear they sell I need to use for a novice painter? By the time I get ready about 2 weeks, the temp should be in the 60's to 70's?
Is UC35 good?

Is there aggod alternative compared to price like Shopline from ppg, or how about anything from here?
http://www.tcpglobal.com/kustomshop/kspclear.aspx

Thanks for all the Help :cool:

I dig this car :D It might be easier to flake the whole car, then paint the cage and flames white:D What ya think?

I personally don't like the HOK lacquer.

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Originally Posted by roadster32

I personally don't like the HOK lacquer.

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Whats good for the backyard(garage) painter :D

I think you will have to wait for someone else to chip in as i'm in England so the makes i use may not be sold over there.

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Originally Posted by PRO53

Whats good for the backyard(garage) painter :D

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How about Shopline 620 clear, which is PPG.?

You may want to talk to these guys about clear. http://www.southernpolyurethanes.com/SPI%20News.htm It seems that a lot of forum users highly recommend their clears and primer. I haven't used it yet but just ordered a couple gallons of each.

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Originally Posted by Mr Smith

You may want to talk to these guys about clear. http://www.southernpolyurethanes.com/SPI%20News.htm It seems that a lot of forum users highly recommend their clears and primer. I haven't used it yet but just ordered a couple gallons of each.

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I wonder what kind of brand of base I have to use, to use there clear?
Not very high priced either.

Hotrodpaint or anybody,
With painting my car white with flake blue flames. What be the correct way to paint it all?

base color,
clear,
sand(800 grit whole car)
mask flames, and paint 3 to 4 coats of clear with flake
un tape
clear whole car and flames(3x)
sand again(800)
stripe car
reclear final times(2-3)

Novice painter just do not know the correct steps.
Is this the right steps or do I not need to clear the base before I tape of flames?

Sounds like that will work okay to me, except that you will want extra clear coats over the flake before you try to sand it.

What happens is that when your sandpaper starts to hit the flakes, it will take the blue color off of some of them, leaving random silver sparkles. ...and not usually evenly spaced! Not exactly the effect you were looking for! :-(

Another option is to use silver flake and clear... sand...add a couple coats of candy... then final clear.

BTW... Don't sand the candy for the same reason. Uneven color.

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Originally Posted by PRO53

I wonder what kind of brand of base I have to use, to use there clear?
Not very high priced either.

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They say here http://www.southernpolyurethanes.com...ech%202006.pdf that it can be sprayed over anybody's paint. If you do a google search for spi clear you will find all kinds of positive feedback on forums about it. If you call them and there are no distributors in your area they will ship it out to you for free. If you tell them what type of paint you are looking for they can send you in the right direction as well. Very friendly staff. Looking forward to seeing your paint job when done.

This is what I am shooting for, does this look like a bright white or a white base?

Hey what sounds like a good color to outline the flames in and stripe the car?

Years ago I decided to stop trying to come up with unusual color combinations, and started using the advise I was taught in my art schooling.

Soon after that, people started telling me how well I use color, and they haven't stopped telling me that since! (I don't tell them where my "secret" came from.) :-)

In art classes they teach that the natural color compliment for blue is orange.

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Originally Posted by HOTRODPAINT

Years ago I decided to stop trying to come up with unusual color combinations, and started using the advise I was taught in my art schooling.

Soon after that, people started telling me how well I use color, and they haven't stopped telling me that since! (I don't tell them where my "secret" came from.) :-)

In art classes they teach that the natural color compliment for blue is orange.

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My wife told me that too:p Also she said like a lime green color:rolleyes: