Thread: Flames, flakes, shimrin base coats

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I looked for old post but couldnt find what I was lookin for
Here is my questions, final stage in sanding on my model A.
Want to paint it white with a blue metalflake flames and also going to paint the cage flake.
#1 Can I pull off spraying flake for flames without having to much of a step in a tape edge? Between flake and clear might be pretty thick?
I was wanting to use .008 flake or .015?

#2 Has anybody use the House of Kolor Shrimn base, was looking at a Lapis blue, can you notice the flake in it? Was looking at the coarse metallic.
About what size flake is in it?

#3 I am spraying the 30 sdr sedan, frame and underneathe, About how many gallons of base and clear will I need?

#4 Whats a nice white color to go with?

Sounds great! I am starting to see flake making a comeback.

No way to avoid the step in the paint. I would use a fine flake to minimize the step. Also a bright pinstripe, like orange (which is the complimentary color for blue), will help to hide the light reflection on the edges.

The thinnest would be a coat of solid medium blue, with a fine blue flake over it, then plenty of clear so you can sand and buff without hitting the flake.

I would recommend the Metajules ceramic flake, since even the small flakes appear bigger when they light up... but it is no longer being made, and even if you find some, you may need to repair it someday only to find you can't locate any more.

Painters today go crazy sanding between coats. I only do it if I see a need. If you use a flake other than silver, and sand into a few flakes, you will have bright silver specks showing. If it's over a black base, you can go back with a toothpick and black out those few flakes, and they will disappear. Otherwise, it is an issue.

For that reason I will recommend silver, with candy over it after the sanding, but that will also add to the thickness.

Life is a compromise. :-)

I was looking at this flake, to keep it the same color what base would I use? If I spray a blue base will it be lighter? If I use ther .004 flake, would it be less build up then the .008?
http://www.tcpglobal.com/kustomshop/kusf14.aspx

A black base will give a darker color overall, because you do see the background between the flakes.

A medium-dark blue shade would help to hide any uneven pattern (splotchiness) in the flake.

As far as the size, I would be guessing, since I don't compare the measurements. I always look to see if I like the samples or not. Since they don't always lay nice and flat, I would assume that you will get a thicker paint layer.

The real question is... which one gives the kind of look you want. That would be more important to ME, than how thick the edge is. More people will notice the sparkle of the flake, than the edges.

Always remember... you will not be able to satisfy everyone who looks at it, no matter what you do. As long as you are happy, ignore the critics. :-)

I don't do as much flake as I'd like, but here are a few jobs. These are all medium sized flake.

Just chiming in on painting the cage with flake. That's gonna be alot of work with the clear and all. You may want to stick with just a solid color and devote the time to the flames and flake. Sounds like it will be very koool.

Originally Posted by sunsetdart

Just chiming in on painting the cage with flake. That's gonna be alot of work with the clear and all. You may want to stick with just a solid color and devote the time to the flames and flake. Sounds like it will be very koool.

I would have to agree. Painting a cage is hard enough, without using a more difficult paint type.

Originally Posted by HOTRODPAINT

A black base will give a darker color overall, because you do see the background between the flakes.

A medium-dark blue shade would help to hide any uneven pattern (splotchiness) in the flake.

As far as the size, I would be guessing, since I don't compare the measurements. I always look to see if I like the samples or not. Since they don't always lay nice and flat, I would assume that you will get a thicker paint layer.

The real question is... which one gives the kind of look you want. That would be more important to ME, than how thick the edge is. More people will notice the sparkle of the flake, than the edges.

Always remember... you will not be able to satisfy everyone who looks at it, no matter what you do. As long as you are happy, ignore the critics. :-)

I don't do as much flake as I'd like, but here are a few jobs. These are all medium sized flake.

Hotrodpaint, in the fender you painted the Jim Morrison tribute on, what base and color flake did you use? That is the kolor I am shooting for
I guess I need not to flake the cage, but I sure want to try, sure would POP

What the best way , dry or wet spray?

Originally Posted by PRO53

Hotrodpaint, in the fender you painted the Jim Morrison tribute on, what base and color flake did you use? That is the kolor I am shooting for
I guess I need not to flake the cage, but I sure want to try, sure would POP

That was a black base... you can see it between the flakes around the edges of the photo.

I don't remember exactly what the flake was. It is always best to look at actual color chips anyway. Pictures can change the look of a color. I would advise you make a trip to your paint store, look at their charts, and see what they have available.

If nobody has charts locally, jump online and order charts from a couple suppliers. It is better to spend a few bucks, before you get into a situation that is diappointing later.

I had a dark metalic blue VW bug and we used a light almost powder blue pin strip
and man was that thing sharp. Everyone kept leaving notes on it trying to buy it from me. Finally after 5 years I gave in and sold it, wish I would have not now.
Kurt

You may want to talk to these guys about clear. http://www.southernpolyurethanes.com/SPI%20News.htm It seems that a lot of forum users highly recommend their clears and primer. I haven't used it yet but just ordered a couple gallons of each.

Originally Posted by Mr Smith

You may want to talk to these guys about clear. http://www.southernpolyurethanes.com/SPI%20News.htm It seems that a lot of forum users highly recommend their clears and primer. I haven't used it yet but just ordered a couple gallons of each.

I wonder what kind of brand of base I have to use, to use there clear?
Not very high priced either.

Hotrodpaint or anybody,
With painting my car white with flake blue flames. What be the correct way to paint it all?

base color,
clear,
sand(800 grit whole car)
mask flames, and paint 3 to 4 coats of clear with flake
un tape
clear whole car and flames(3x)
sand again(800)
stripe car
reclear final times(2-3)

Novice painter just do not know the correct steps.
Is this the right steps or do I not need to clear the base before I tape of flames?

Sounds like that will work okay to me, except that you will want extra clear coats over the flake before you try to sand it.

What happens is that when your sandpaper starts to hit the flakes, it will take the blue color off of some of them, leaving random silver sparkles. ...and not usually evenly spaced! Not exactly the effect you were looking for! :-(

Another option is to use silver flake and clear... sand...add a couple coats of candy... then final clear.

BTW... Don't sand the candy for the same reason. Uneven color.

Originally Posted by PRO53

I wonder what kind of brand of base I have to use, to use there clear?
Not very high priced either.

They say here http://www.southernpolyurethanes.com...ech%202006.pdf that it can be sprayed over anybody's paint. If you do a google search for spi clear you will find all kinds of positive feedback on forums about it. If you call them and there are no distributors in your area they will ship it out to you for free. If you tell them what type of paint you are looking for they can send you in the right direction as well. Very friendly staff. Looking forward to seeing your paint job when done.