Has anyone here ever done business with Timeless Rod and Customs in Lula Ga.?
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Has anyone here ever done business with Timeless Rod and Customs in Lula Ga.?
No personal experience, but if you Google "Timeless Rods and Customs" (plural on "Rods") you'll find links to discussions on two or three other forums with widely mixed experiences offered.
there is a discussion on sr.com about them. sounds like the death rattle to me.
Timeless Rods in Lula GA
and why anyone would hand over that kind of money up front is beyond me. asking for it is the first sure sign of failure .
Remember one thing about things said on a forum, it's only one person's opinion. Means no more or less then the next guys!!!! Never have heard of the shop and mixed reviews of their business practices are common for any shop. My only suggestion would be a visit to their shop, look at their work, get their references and talk to them, check with the BBB, make your own decision..... Don't let any shop get into you too deep on up front money, but having had my own shop and been stuck with a couple of projects I do understand why a reasonable deposit and money during the course of a build is essential! But along with that you should expect an accounting of monies spent and reasonable labor done on your car. Then of course, the usual warning of "Let the buyer beware" applies to doing business with any company!
i wont give anyone money up front .
On a $16,200 total for a roller with a bunch of added options I put down $3500 with balance due on delivery. I figured that covered the cost of most of the out of house buy outs, but might have been light on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by shine
My problem is I gave them $9700 (half) in May and now can't get them to call me back.
Time for a road trip. Do you have a good friend named Bubba that's too big to ride in anything but a full sized truck or SUV, and then feels cramped that can tag along?
I went to the link Shine posted (thanks), I feel a lot better now. But I am thinking about making a road trip this week.
There's nothing that can take the place of a personal visit, talking man-to-man about the status, and airing any concerns.
Probably get lied to as so many in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by rspears
Time 4 a road trip with a trailer !
Got a dated contract with delivery date on it?
Demand your roller or your money back.
Make sure that's the local officials are there when the demand is made.
Good Luck
What is it with Georgia, 2 flaky outfits there 1 in Lula and another in Winfer
Both build car or so they say they do.
I can't say that I agree with threatening to pull the roller at this point. If you see that there's been no change in status then that's a last resort, but pulling it when it's not complete is going to get you into a huge argument about "value" that could well land you in court, and it will be their local court not yours. How do you establish how much of the remaining 50% is due? Yes, you can demand your money back, but then they can say that they've spent that money on your behalf, in accordance with contract, blah, blah, blah. Sure, they're in violation of the contract, and they've missed their delivery date but unless you can show intent to defraud you're on thin ice legally, having paid 50% down and them saying "It's nearly done...." I'd go visit, and having a trailer hooked to the truck might send a good message, but I'd be on a fact finding mission to make things clear, not "demanding" at this point. Just my $0.02, and others may disagree.
Check with the States laws, some States do not allow more than a 10% deposit (some slightly larger), then contact your attorney for appropriate action advice.
As DA34guy says, once communications stop immediate action is required.
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Made a surprise visit to Timeless today, they don't even have a car for me in their shop. They told me they had to send my body back to Bebops to have the door handles put on. Then they took me to another shop where the chassis are being built, they had my chassis there but it looks like maybe a weeks worth of work has been done to it. The guy that builds their chassis has a very nice shop and does very good work. They told me my body was ready to be picked up and they would send someone to get it this week. Then they would only need two more weeks to finish it. I told them I expect a phone call at least once a week. If I don't have a delivery date in two weeks I'm going back up there.
OK, you're being much too forgiving with them, and that's total BS. You don't send a body back to Bebops to have door handles put on, you drill two holes, mount the handles and then align the latch bolts, drill and install them. That's maybe a half day job if the guy hasn't done them before, but instead you spend the money to truck the body back to BeBops in Tennessee? That makes zero sense, and they're playing you like a Redfish on a long line. It's time for you to demand your money back, and if they balk tell them you're contacting your attorney to take action in court. Once you have your money in hand call Duane Noblett at N&N Fiberglass reproductions in Belleville, AR and get your order in with him. He's honest, has about the best value premium roller you can buy, and you'll not be disappointed. Time to fish or cut bait.
I've stayed out of this thread as it seems there are enough opinions in here already but I guess, just maybe, my cynicism just needs to scream BULL _ _ _ T!!
If I were in your shoes, I'd be contacting a lawyer and right now! Don't wait 2 more weeks, hurry to get some of your money back.
And then take RSpears advice and contact a reputable shop.
Now, I could be all wet and full of it, etc.. etc.. etc.. but I'll bet dollars to donuts I'm not!
I agree with rspears & 34_40, if these guys can't put a set of door handles on, I wouldn't trust them to build a complete car!
I don't see this ending well.
Mick
I agree with these guys. I wouldn't trust them at all after this last deal......
The more I think about this the more I'd say Shine was right on with his thoughts, these guys are in a financial bind, using the down payment from one guy to fund finishing another guy's car. That can work for a while, provided the demand stays high and the cash flow keeps up, but they likely have gotten pinched by the falling economy and their orders falling off. There's not that many guys/gals that will drop $20K for a roller package, and fewer that will lay down a $10K down payment on nothing but an empty promise. It's hard to know, but the story they fed you may be their death knell, and it would not surprise me if your message next week says that you went back to Lula, GA and found their doors locked, or that they are in bankruptcy proceedings trying to cut losses. Regardless I think that you need to talk to an attorney and get on record with them that you're demanding a full refund based on their blatant failure to meet their contract obligations. Before noon today would not be too soon.
Big thing on a lawyer, it will have to be a lawyer licensed to practice law in the company's home state as that's where the litigation (if any) will occur. About all a local lawyer can do is issue threats....... Learned this the hard way when an out of stater dumped an NSF check on me years back.....
I'd be getting my stuff out of that shop, asap. If they are fiddling the books trying to make up for a shortfall it is very possible they have royally screwed somebody else. You can see and touch your downpayment - a rolling chassis at the least. If another person sues and takes them to court then your stuff might get bound up in litigation, if you can't prove it is yours then it might get sold by the courts.
It is all conjecture at this point, I really really hope that it don't come to pass and hate to hear of things like this. But, they have given you good reason to worry, you aren't satisfied with the progress, the quality of what work that is done is in question and they have lied to you.
I know what I would do.
Finally got the call today that my car is ready to be picked up. Pretty excited about it even if I had to wait a ridiculously long time. Going to pick it up next week, so as soon as I can I will post pictures. How many posts do I need?
How many posts? You are there! Cool looking ride. Hope you can make the time and do a build thread!
Good for you! That is awesome and good luck going to pick it up next week!
Well it looks real good now and you have a great engine. I had a good experience dealing directly with Bebops who drop-shipped a frame and front axle so I outsourced the welding of the spring mounts for a '74 Maverick 8" rear. It took me 7 years to finish a 'glass 29 roadster and along the way I found some excellent help and some other unhelpful folks. The problem is that you can't always tell who will disappoint you even if you check references. The only sensible thing is to not go back to troublemakers and do as much yourself as possible. However you will soon find that there are almost no brackets on the interior of a Bebops 'glass body. I must have made 20 or so brackets from angle iron along the way and a rat tail file will be indispensible for lining up mounting holes. However you now have a great start and it is looking good to here.
Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder