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Glad ya went with Duane, he's 1 hell of a guy 2 deal with, bought many bodies from him. Good luck on the new venture. If ya need anything pm me or send an email to Donshotrods@cableone.net.
Here's a couple of N&N bodies that I did.
Tell Duane, Don from Oklahoma said hi next time ya talk 2 him
I'll join in the back patting...........you made a better call this time.
Don't be too bummed if it's slow going finding a buyer for the pro street frame, with or without the body. Pro street is a very narrow market, especially within the older style hot rods being a shrinking market slot. Given enough time, and effort (try expanding your advertising, it's a numbers game) you'll unload that stuff.
Those are some nice looking cars you have there DA34,,, couldn't have done any better myself ha ha ha... May have a hard time selling this stuff but that's just how it goes,,, long story on how I acquired them and don't want to get into it,,, one of those impulse yea I can do this decisions,,,, along with a friends help LOL,,,, I may still get this body fit up and sell it as a roller or build it out later,,, any other sites you can pass on to list it at would be greatly appreciated,,
Did I get that right,,,, you say those are N&N bodies??? The door fit is awesome IMHO,,,
So off to sleepy town,,, ya'll come back now ya hear
HotRodN
On another note,,, I noticed all those cars were hair pin,,, any reason you don't use a 4 bar??? Just curious :)
4 bar was developed to eliminate one cause of bump steer by keeping the front axle upright as it moved up and down. When you have a Vega box mounted in a cross steer mode it's a moot point, and hairpins look about 500 times better than the 4 bar.
Four bar was also developed for use on tube front axles to avoid stress at the attachment points on the axle. When one wheel goes over a bump, and the other does not, hairpins will try to twist the axle, and a tube axle won't twist. This is not the case on I-beam axles because they will twist. I agree with that analysis; however, with as little suspension travel that most rods have, I'm not particularly concerned. Lots of rods over the years have used hairpins on tube axles.
Could the hair pin VS 4 bar also be a personal preference thing,,,, I prefer the 4 bar for the way it looks and function LOL,,, when you go with hair pin,,, do you still need to run a pan hard bar?? or should you run one just as a precaution anyways?? I'm certain it has to be there when using 4 bar,,, read about that one already :)
Nothing wrong with the 4-bar, but many people just think the hairpin is a cleaner look. Yes, you must have a panhard bar with either choice for anchoring back to the frame. Neither the hairpins or the 4-bar provide any lateral restraint.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotRodN
Well actually-----if you have coil overs or similar you need bar-If you have a cross leaf, maybe not-if you have a cross leak with one end not linked, no-----If you have parallel leaks no
Well, since we're talking about one of Duane's "standard" Deuce frames I thought it was pretty clear that we were talking cross leaf of some configuration. As for one end being "dead", Uncle Bob cleared up that feature for us in a thread just a few weeks back (link here - http://www.clubhotrod.com/deuce-den/...en-before.html ), and there it was pretty clear that the "dead perch" was something taken from the dirt track guys, and though SOCAL still lists them they don't seem to use them on anything they put out the door.
With shackles both ends you'll have some amount of "side play" on turns, offsetting the axle relative to the frame. You may not have to have a panhard bar, but just about every shop putting out cross-leaf I-beam axles uses them. Take a look at Pete & Jake's catalog, and for their front panhard bar kit they say,Quote:
1) A "must" for cross steering installations, 2) Eliminates lateral movement of axle that affects steering, and 3) Improves handling and stability
Remember that they are selling them and that's a sales pitch.
As things have progressed over the years, adding more caster to the front for steering stability, steering effort goes up and with cross steering from a vega box, the force needed to turn the wheels increased to a level that the panard bar was/is a help to get the car to turn without twist on the shackles. lots of steering problems came about with the big/little tire combos, especially with errors introduced with narrow wheels severly offset to outside for big brake clearance. The line of the kingpin should intercect the middle of tire patch to pavement contact point.
It's hard to argue with their Point #2. If you have cross steering and allow the axle to move side to side then as the axle moves the wheels turn - not a good situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerry clayton
HotRodN, when you go to pick up your body & frame ask Duane if you need to run a panhard bar with an I-beam axle and Vega Box. He's selling you a bare frame with the body mounted, not a roller so he's got nothing to lose either way. You can trust his answer.
Roger with the vega box I use panard bar
Why? accepted practice------I bought an alighnment rack to do suspension work on so I could verify where things were and how they would work together. With a properly designed, built and adjusted with angles for caster, camber, toe, included angle( angle of steering pivot line to tire contact patch) the front axle and wheels will go straight and you will have to use some amount of physical force to change direction of the wheels to turn the vehicle.
Most of the street rods out there have imperfect designs or set up of the steering geometry to vehicle .
Hmmm. I was hanging in there on hair pin vs four bar comparison and then panhard bar as a lateral location device, but the "sales pitch" comment just doesn't fit in the explanation. Brings to my mind the demise of Tom Horn. The man just said too much. LOL.
Hairpins and I beam = Hot Rod
4 bar and tube = Street Rod.