Serious stuff!!

I'm thinking more about the young studs and studettes here than you geezers, it's too late for you!:LOL: Not really, but you know the bit about old dogs.....................

I was bustin' some rust on some wheels last night and it occured to me that for too many years in my youth I did the same thing most young folks do.......................tempt fate because we're "invincible". Now, as the sins of my past are coming to roost I've gotten smarter (?) and thought I'd pass it along. Of course, most of you will probably treat this like you did any advice your daddy gave you and just dust it off.;)


Pictured below are a couple items you should always use any time you're kicking up particulate matter. You know; vacuuming rat turds from your new find, sanding old paint, scrubbing 50 years of gunk off the chassis, sanding "bondo" (especially bad for you) etc. I've added one of those inexpensive paper dust masks for comparison. If you use one of these you are at least making an attempt. If you insist on the cheapies, at least buy the ones with two straps, you get some better level of seal that way. The single strap ones are a complete waste of time and effort. However, if you're really interested in making your future a healthier one, get the particulate respirator on the left. It gives a complete seal around the mouth and nose area, has changable filters, and is very comfortable. In the long run they're cheaper than boxes of the cheapies. After a minute or so you forget it's there. These are a 3M product #07183, you can get them at any wholesale auto paint supply house, about $30. Yeah, yeah, I know, ain't cheap. But you were only supplied one set of lungs. The second muy importante item is the safety glasses. Right, real men just fish chunks of junk out of their eys. Been there, done that. Never thought it was fun. Wrap around safety glasses are a must. I've used all kinds, and these are the most comfortable, and offer the best field of vision. Again, once you have them on, you almost forget about them..................well, until you get so much junk on them you can't see through them. But then, that's the message isn't it? And if you use the good particulate respirator they don't get fogged up because of the complete seal.

BTW, a PARTICULATE respirator is no substitute for a CHEMICAL respirator (e.g. for painting), even though they LOOK similar.

Be safe (better yet, smart) out there!

Right you are Bob.......I have been sidestepping the safety masks, goggles etc for years. I have not had a problem, YET, but have had a few close calls. Was just lucky.....

I always use the PPEs now, hopefully, I will not have respitory problems down the road....having never smoked probably helps.

All the training we get at work these days opens your eyes. Some of my older workmates still don't get it..............

I learned the hard way. Getting junk in your eyes is no minor inconvienence. For about 6 months I couldn't drive at night because high beam lights would make my eyes water so bad I couldn't see. Now I have a tiny blind spot. I discovered it by accident one night. When I look directly at a star it disappears. If I look a little right or left it comes back. That's the only way I notice it so It's no big deal. I'm lucky it isn't worse. If you're not as lucky as me your blind spot could be huge.

Another thing I learned the hard way is to wear rubber gloves when I'm doing bondo work. If you keep getting it on your fingers it will eat your fingerprints and dry your skin to the point where it will split and bleed. Don't try to hand sand like that. If you do get it on you wash it off as soon as you can. You can't get it off till it starts to kick (harden). It comes off easier with plain water. Soap makes it more difficult to remove.

Doing a brake job is one people don't think about. Brake dust is nasty stuff, and very fine. So it's in the air even if you don't always see it.

http://www.epa.gov/fedsite/vmf/brakes.html

Good points guys.

Al, for the "bondo" you can use Boraxo, takes it right off, as you said, before it fully cures. I use it to clean my "bondo" board too, been using the same one for years. Polyester filler (bondo) contains a lot of talc. a)that's what makes it hard on the lungs, b) it takes the moisture/oil right out of your skin.

Good topic there Uncle Bob......Old age and treachery WILL over come youth and skill.!!...

Fine thing you have brought up here Bob, something that should be said and obeyed!

You can not enjoy our hobbie if you can't breath or hear or see.

I would like to see everyone here enjoy our hobby for many many years.:D

Great topic...this is good advice that should not be taken lightly !
I'd like to also add that anyone with long hair (like mine) should keep it pulled back, machinery & sparks from welders & cutting/grinding wheels are bad news!

Also, wearing jewelry (i.e. wedding ring) can also be dangerous if you get it caught on something...it a good way to lose a finger (or at least part of one!) :CRY:

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Hahaha Kat.. But, they did successfully sew both my fingers back on... hehehe :p

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Oh, kinda' like the time I wuz' workin' construction. I wuz' installin' a garage door, jumped off the ladder and my ring caught on the track. Had to slide my ring back on my finger and stuff my knuckle under the rign to get it off. OOOOOOh that still hurts just thinkin' about it:CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :toocool:

This is a good topic. About a week ago a model glue tube blew up in my eye, it really burned, now, I wear safty goggles when building my models. I have never used a respirator when I paint yet, I will start using saftey equipment when I start on the '50 Chevy. I have not done anything too harmful yet other than, sanding and spraying my dirt bike tank in the back of my shed. I need to take more safty precaucions than I have in the past, a start would be a respirator when painting, priming, sanding or bondoing.

Back in the days of the repair shop, I did the repair work on the school busses. Can't tell ya' how many times I blew brake drums out with an air nozzle. :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY:

Bob--Very Good
Along a different vein, but applys to eye care.
Fluorescent lighting and Eye Strain in the shop.
Two helpful sites to consider when lighting a shop.


www.md.support.org/library/lighting.html
www.thetoque.net/020820/fluorescent.htm

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Originally posted by Walt Zander
Bob--Very Good
Along a different vein, but applys to eye care.
Fluorescent lighting and Eye Strain in the shop.
Two helpful sites to consider when lighting a shop.


www.md.support.org/library/lighting.html
www.thetoque.net/020820/fluorescent.htm

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E gadzz'. I not only have Fluorescent lighting in my shop but in my office as well.
Sounds like the Johnson Rod syndrome all over again:CRY: :CRY: :CRY:

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E gadzz'. I not only have Fluorescent lighting in my shop but in my office as well.
Sounds like the Johnson Rod syndrome all over again:CRY: :CRY: :CRY:

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Not really Pro70--
Pertains to placement and styles, affecting the eyes with the inherent flicker of fluorescent and how it can be counteracted.

Johnson Rod?-Well ..they quit making them out of norbergite!:LOL:

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Not really Pro70--
Pertains to placement and styles, affecting the eyes with the inherent flicker of fluorescent and how it can be counteracted.

Johnson Rod?-Well ..they quit making them out of norbergite!:LOL:

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But Walt..... I wuz' referin' to yer' second posted site..... Quotin' the honorable von Skall.... last 2 paragraphs really drives his point home. He HE

The most dangerous time for humans is just before the bulbs flicker and burn out. The mercury vapour is heavily charged with these human auras and souls, which may cause a logarithmic need for even more. Von Skall has collected anecdotal evidence of Extra Purple light travelling as far as the washroom, suggesting that the Chthonic Particles are not far behind in their search for human soul energy.

Because it isn't practical to replace all the flourescent bulbs that we may come in contact with, von Skall recommends wearing a hockey helmet lined with tin-foil to lessen the impact of the particles they are emitting.

:LOL: Pro70 You got me, yes. ha, ha Yer quick..

Von Skall er..shucks:D cannot really print whilst laughing and thinking. So many replies in mind to which I am currently editing!

Let me just state that there was no mention of shiny side in or out of the helmet.:HMMM:

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:LOL:

Let me just state that there was no mention of shiny side in or out of the helmet.:HMMM:

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Problee' jus' an oversight on the part of Von Skall.. he he:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: **)

Streets,


Uou are a one man riot. :) :) :) :)

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Nah ALL ya gotta do is cover yer radio antennae with tin foil and the Martians can't track ya.. make sure the shiny side is out tho... Thas a fact I read in the Alfred E. Newman runs for President book, back in the '60's... I wonder if that douchebag John Kerry is related to him too!!.. heh heh heh...
Don't ferget the ball bearings in the hubcaps to ward of those nasty Police Radar Guns also..

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Anythin' pre-'75 is a little too far bacK in the achieves fer' me. 60's R a little fuzzy. He He

GUILTY !!!!!
Thanks for the brain check and i really do mean thanks for caring. I've been using the white mask occasionally and always use the prescription plastic eye glasses and even purchased a full face shield and use them religiously because i only have one eye and in reading your post i am reminded that you are right in saying we only have one set of lungs. I am restoring a duster and am in the process of cleaning parts(Blasting/solvent/brake dust/filler dust and the works) Thanks soooo much for the check. Today i will purchase the good kind of mask. I even quit smoking 10 years ago because it was killing me. I owe you FRIEND.

Bill Stone
West Plains, Mo.

Oh Great.!!:mad: ..No more JR's with norbergite:CRY:

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GUILTY !!!!!
Thanks for the brain check .

Bill Stone
West Plains, Mo.

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:3dSMILE: That's good enough for me.

Hey whats with these blue gloves everybodys been wearing?. I used to be a plastic media blaster for my brothers company years ago and still have respritory problems.

Good advice,i never wore safty glasses.....until i got rust in my eye and had to have it SCRAPED!:eek:

Burned like a sunofagun! now i put them on ANY time i'm under a car.

BG

Right on Bob.......had a friend here in Tacoma who was a real "he" man......painted without respirator......ended up on kidney dialysis.........body ruined from the fumes of body work and paint....sad but true:CRY:

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Thank you, thank you, thank you,.. 4 duh compliment... I usetacould be a Smaudass 2... :p

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Must be a typo.... There for a minute I thought you said .......usetacould .....HE HE:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: **)

Originally posted by lt1s10

"really don't know what to say bob, but you could have put my name on every post there and it would have been true. I've never worn a mask, for brake dust and I've done thousands of break jobs, i didn't paint much but in 40 yrs it added up and at one time i was painting school buses without a mask. didn't ware goggles most of the time when grinding metal or accl- oxygen welding, never worn a mask when doing body work, i welded my ring to my finger many times and jumped off of a car left one day and hung my ring on something and like to have pulled my finger off, laid under cars without stands, stood in front of cars in gear with motor running, with the hand brake on and washed parts in gasoline and at 60 yrs. old it coming back to haunt me. cant see hear or breath, but bob im not sure its any one thing i can say to change that. i believe it was a way of life for me, and if a stranger had of come by in 1960 and told me to put on a mask i probably would have told him to go to hell. these safety rules need to start from day one, in the home, school and at work. i was doing what my brother and daddy was doing and that made it ok. no body hate rules worse than i do but im telling every body, all of those safety rules they have in place now will let you live longer and healthier. im the poster mechanic. a pic. is worth a thousand words they say.**) **)"

And here's the picture he posted of what he needs now.

Looks like I need to start taking care of myself. I saw someone on here saying how they can't see a start and have to look a little to the side of it... I have to do the same thing. Like a few months ago I saw a green light from my fire alarm on the ceiling and I turned to look straight on and I can't see it, I have to turn to the side. I do it all the time when I try sleeping and it bugs me. I will sit there and stare straight at it to see if it will appear and it never does until I look to the side of it. I thought maybe my eyes weren't adjusted to the dark but I sit there for an hour or two and it is still like it so that isn't it. My eyes are really bad anyways, when I don't have glasses on I can't barely see nothing, I see big blobs of stuff if they are about 3 feet in front of me since I am near sighted and can't see far. Also I do bondo work, paint, sanding, blasting, etc almost everyday for auto body and then a lot of brake work everyday in auto tech and I never wear resperator or nothing even though I have a big painters resperator and then the dust masks but the dust masks fog my glasses and the resperator I use to paint, nothing else. I am the only one in the class not to wear the masks because my glasses. I don't wear saftey glasses because I have glasses and the safety ones don't stay on with my glasses under them. I will start wearing a resperator.
Will that blind spot get worse do you guy's think? That will suck if that's what I got.

aw but gasoline/alkie/nitro fumes smell so goooooooooood:LOL: clears the sinuses to :whacked: .......scooter

had a good friend here who did body work.........real macho........painted w/o respitator......went on kidney machine......now dead......so I take saftey very serious.

Thanks for the post, Bob. Whether geezer or newbie we all need the reminders on safety issues. I can't even do my own welding anymore, for years I tacked things together by just holding my hand over the weld to block the flash. I never bothered wearing safety glasses until a few years ago when my optometrist told me that if I thought wrap around safety glasses were a "big bother", just keep it up and I would find out what a "big bother" being totally blind was!!! Now the corneas in my eyes are so badly scarred I can't even be outside on a cloudy day without sunglasses. A boat ride on a sunny day at the lake even with polarized sunglasses is worse than Chinese water torture.

Oh yeah, on the long hair issue......Ever got your pony tail wrapped around the wheels on your creeper??? Interesting way to find out who your friends are!!!!

Hey streets
i need you on my thread

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aw but gasoline/alkie/nitro fumes smell so goooooooooood:LOL: clears the sinuses to :whacked: .......scooter

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"but gasoline/alkie/nitro fumes smell so goooooooooood:LOL: clears the sinuses"
you are right scooter, but what you cant see is it goes straight to the lungs and stop up those little pores that you need for breathing. i was one of a few people that could work in a closed up shop all day with a motor running and it not brother me, i though it meant i was a little tougher, but now i wish it had given me a head ache or made me sick like most people so i would have opened the door or put in some tail pipe exhaust hoses, or anything instead doing what i did, which was nothing. :( :rolleyes:

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And here's the picture he posted of what he needs now. [/B]

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My brother Rick has the exact same cannisters 24/7. He had worked for a floor sanding company in the 70's and an asbestos removal company in the 80's. Now at 49 he can't breath at all without the O2. He was macho and didn't use all the safety equipment that was available I guess. So, Mike, I feel for you and understand what your going through and know what Bob means about the equipment. :HMMM: :HMMM:

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My brother Rick has the exact same cannisters 24/7. He had worked for a floor sanding company in the 70's and an asbestos removal company in the 80's. Now at 49 he can't breath at all without the O2. He was macho and didn't use all the safety equipment that was available I guess. So, Mike, I feel for you and understand what your going through and know what Bob means about the equipment. :HMMM: :HMMM:

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the problem with the whole thing is you cant see whats happening to your lungs and it takes 40 yrs. (in most cases) to show up and then its to late. :eek: :whacked:

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Oh yeah, on the long hair issue......Ever got your pony tail wrapped around the wheels on your creeper??? Interesting way to find out who your friends are!!!!

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Oh geez...I definately didn't need to be reminded of that...that is really painful, especially since ya can't move without making it worse...been there, done that, learned my lesson...I put my hair up in a bun when I'm under a car or truck now...:rolleyes: :p

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Oh geez...I definately didn't need to be reminded of that...that is really painful, especially since ya can't move without making it worse...been there, done that, learned my lesson...I put my hair up in a bun when I'm under a car or truck now...:rolleyes: :p

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What kind of a bun, a spicy chicken sandwich bun from Wendy's? You know, with that calander and all, you can put your hair up in a "bun" and pose on a creeper under a Stude.... I can see the sexyness now. :LOL: :3dSMILE: :HMMM:

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What kind of a bun, a spicy chicken sandwich bun from Wendy's? You know, with that calander and all, you can put your hair up in a "bun" and pose on a creeper under a Stude.... I can see the sexyness now. :LOL: :3dSMILE: :HMMM:

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Yep...Spicy...That's me...:p ;) :D

Heh, all I can say is.... awsome! :D

As a Safety Inspector, I have to agree that this an excellent topic. I notice that no how many times I tell the guys at work to put on their PPE, There's always someone that thinks it won't happen to them, forget to put it on, or just dont want to take the time to go get it. Fortunately, I work with a group that is pretty good about wearing their PPE. From time to time I've been seen doing something less than smart like crawling under my truck without my glasses, or ie: A month or so ago, I was changing from a cut-off disk to a small wire wheel on my cordless dremel and did not take out the battery. It slipped and in trying to hold on to it, i turned it on. The cut off disk left a nice big scar on my leg. Cut it like butter.... I'm good about unplugging tools before i mess with them, but it really never occured to me to drop the battery out of that dremel. I do now .... Lesson learned ....