Thread: 396 build up

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Originally posted by mad hooker
eh no computer stuff. but i get what you mean. on the forged kits whats it mean when you guys put TRW?

It's a manufacturer's name, stands for Thompson-Ramo-Woolridge.

T 0 R ace W ith ???

hahaha okay. what kind of block would you guys recomend for a 396- 409 build up? im looking for that 420- 440 hp and close to 500lbs- tq, what what you guys use?

why are you so stuck on 396? You aren't going to get any better of milage from a 396 than you would a 454 or a 502 and you'll spend so much less money if you use the 454 or 502 beceause it takes less to make more. With a 454 or 502 you would easily pass your power goal.

No matter how you build a big block, your going to be able to pass anything but a gas station so be prepared for that.

The small block posters were also very accurate. With today's aftermarket and the things that are sold you can easily build a small block to these standards. Maybe cheaper than you could in a big block depending on who you buy the parts from...

I think the board shared my curiousity however, of why are you so stuck on 396 or 402? They weigh the same as a 454, they are the same size as a 454, except the 454 makes a lot more power for a lot less money than the 396.

does anybody here know how to give adivce to a person with the motor they have? i dont think so every time i read these threads "im bulding a so and so for this can you help me" i always see well you need to dump what you have and go bigger. how about we give the person advice on how to fix up the motor THEY HAVE instead of telling them to junk it!!and giving them combo's for motors they DONT HAVE!!!!!!! JMHFO

hey gasserrule, thank you man, i mean im not trying to dog anybody or anything thing like that , i respect everyone in the club, but the reason im so stuck on a 396, or something very close , is because i wanted to run a engine that the car originally came with, or something close, and i know a engine of this size can do what i want it too with problems, i know a 396 can throw nice numbers, 420hp-450tq thats what i want, all im asking is for combos that have been used and have been proven, that all nothing more, and if anybody can help i would really appreciate it .

well upon rereading your first post i discovered the car that your building this for.

I'm not telling you to junk the 396 so don't flame on my post for that. I'm simply asking why a 396. Also I'm not telling him to junk what he has. If you would read some of his other posts you'd see the he does not have a 396.

i dont have a block yet, i want low compression, what you recomend for a cam, hyd, or roller?

I dunno about you but "I don't have a block yet" signifies that he does not currently have a 396 and that the posters on this board are trying to keep him from buying a money pit.

Also, mad hooker some of the el caminos also came with 454's so if u want to keep it close to what it came with, a 454 is still a choice. The el caminos also came with small blocks as well. Mine came with SBC 350 and a TH350. So really you can do whatever for an engine and still have something close to what they came with.

Also, dollar for dollar, being as how you DO NOT have anything for this engine yet, you might be better off going with something besides a 396. and thats JMHFO

okay, i see where your coming from, mine is a 69ss396. why are you guys putting down my choice of a 396 for my car , ITS WHAT I WANT FOR IT. i want to biuld a 396. why should i go with something else??? okay maybe it will be more exspensive.... i dont care, its what i want... come on guys, just help me out here, thats what this forum is for right?

Originally posted by mad hooker
hey gasserrule, thank you man, i mean im not trying to dog anybody or anything thing like that , i respect everyone in the club, but the reason im so stuck on a 396, or something very close , is because i wanted to run a engine that the car originally came with, or something close, and i know a engine of this size can do what i want it too with problems, i know a 396 can throw nice numbers, 420hp-450tq thats what i want, all im asking is for combos that have been used and have been proven, that all nothing more, and if anybody can help i would really appreciate it .

last time i check i told you how to bulid this ? at first you have unreasonable goals and now think you are on track and i told you what to do? this is all i can do? you will have to build it and why would i take any time to try to help you?? this is not my first big block and i do not need to get slamed ?? for telling you what you can get with you goals or are you looking for someone to lie to you ? THIS WOULD NOT BE ME good day

this is going to sound wild but its really not if i was to do it again this would be the best way rebuild the 396 with 8-5 compression forged pistons and put on a mini roots blower. it cost as much as the setup i build and the motor will be more efficent and think its 500 plus cubes. it comes with a very streetable 6psi of boost pulley and you would only have to do minor changes to the carb. it wont be much worse on gas either. you didt say what heads you have if you have the stock heads just clean them up they proably work as good as my merlins plus i had to switch to open chamber pistons.
heads cost 1500
intake cost 250
roller cam set up 800 cam lifters pushrosds
cost of a 174 blower 1800 dollars the blower would be cheaper proably make close to 475 hp and 500 lbs torque at the flywheel.
it sounds wild but think of the gm 3.8 liter supercharged motors. a motor can never be more efficent when it has something injecting air in the cylinders than the motor doing it on its own

also with a small blower your average power will move the car and you can use a mild hyd cam

hey pat im not trying to slam you, not at all, all i was asking of you was to write what you did and parts on a single page, so i woundnt have to look through all the different pages, thats all, i wasnt slamming you,its just not the way i wanted to go, thats all, just 396, thats all im asking, and if you took it the wrong way im sorry. im not mad doggin any body, its just you guys threw all kinds of different ways that i didnt want to go. thats why things popped off. thats all. im not saying that they were bad combos, or what ever , its just i dont want to use them with those size engines. just a 396.

does it have to come out to 396 cui or are you just stuck on using a 396 block?

Here's one setup

Here's another build up

These both have dyno sheets on the page with them. Good luck.

The first is a good forged 396 setup, the second is a good stroker setup.

::NOTE:: I have never purchased or used either of these kits. I am just speaking off of what those pages say. They do have dyno sheets with them.

i wanted to use a 396 block. i was thinking of using that same kit from speedo motive, with those i should get my numbers right? well whats the hightest compression you can use on pump gas? i want around 9:1 but as long as it can run on pump, ill be happy. just really hoping on 450hp and 450=+ torque not much as long as the hp is close to 450, and the tq is a little over like 460 or so, that wil be perfect. i have a john lingenfelter book on small blocks, i was wondering if any one had any 396 built by him with these numbers, or know 396 combos that he has used.

one set of forged pistons speed pros $440
one new gm steel L88 crankcross drill$220
recon set of gm rods with arp.bolts $170 one set of hastings rings molly $ 60
cam rods mains bearings mich P $ 80 balance mass on hines machine $150
this will handle 450 hp easily