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    Building a 396 -- Pistons??

     



    I have a 396 that I built a few years back. It has open chamber heads casting (3999241). It currently has Keith Black KB160 pistons (-17cc this only gives me about 8.5:1 compression). I have never been happy with the performance if this engine and am thinking of pulling it to install TRW L2242F30 (-38.3cc) pistons in it. Does anyone know if I will have a problem with the pistons hitting the heads. I know these are closed chamber pistons but they give me the approx static compression ratio I'm looking for (about 10.4:1). Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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    should be check but i think them heads have a dog leg by the EX valve them heads should be ok
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    Thanks for your reply Pat!
    I do have another question or two...I'm fairly new to big blocks (I've built lots of small blocks) so i don't know much about these heads. I do know they are 113cc, open chamber, and oval port. Are they any good? Also I'm running an Edelbrock Performer 2.0 intake and cam. Is there anything else I should be doing to this motor to put out 400+hp other than changing the pistons? Is changing the pistons necessary or is there something else I should be doing instead. Like I said I'm running about 8.5:1 compression now. This car (1967 Camaro Convertible) is only driven in the summer months, on nice days. How high of compression can I run on pump gas (92 octane) Again, I appreciate any advice.
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    well here a set of them heads i used on a 040 over 402. i have used sets in the past they work good this set here have been rework a bit how much cam ?
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    The cam I used is the performer plus; it has .500 lift on the intake and exhaust. The duration at .006 lift is 292 intake and 302 exhaust. Duration at .050 lift is 218 intake and 228 exhaust.

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    well what are you looking for on power band ? you may want to bump up the dur just a wee bit whats the cam ground on ?
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    Power band...This is a car that I enjoy on the street; I rarely go over 6500 RPM and usually stay under 6000. I want this motor to feel like a big block and put my head in the seat on occasion. I'm not sure what you mean by "what's the cam ground on". It was purchased new a few years back when I built this motor the first time. When I first built this motor the guy who I've known for years did the machine work and originally talked me out of going with the L2242F30 pistons. He suggested that I stay around 9-9.5:1 compression. What I ended up with is about 8.5:1 because I chose to go with open chamber heads.

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    well if i built and machine your engine i would have talk you in to a hyd roller cam . car that is some what heavy and most of the time under 6000 and some low rpm? i am thinking you not wanting a hi stall and alot of gear ? what its ground on is the LC like112 110 108 .if a hyd flat lifter cam would look at a cam at 530 to 550 lift and 230/230 Dur on a 110 or 108 lc that would be about as big as i would go on dur at this point with out knowing to much about your trans stall and gear here is a cam ilike for your build 228/228 542/542 lc111. this as 2500/5500 if your looking for no stall 1800/5250 220/228 542/542 lc110
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    Is there a cam you would recommend that would get me that? Would I need to change my intake too. Since I will be pulling the engine to change pistons to increase my compression it would be an ideal time to change a few other things. Would the performer RPM a better manifold for me? Currently I'm running a Turbo 350 and 3:08 gears in the rear. I do plan on changing the rear end gears to either 3.55 or 3.73 and eventually a M21 4 speed.

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    two cams i listed will work with your intake the last cam will work better as your car is now. but more gear like 3.50/3.70 will work better with both cams. them are hyd flat cam .if you go roller then the lift can go up abit and go so will the rpm abit
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    Thanks for your help Pat!

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