Thread: 55 Chevy balancer installation

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you started it and you can stop it,i posted first and you told me i was wrong, why cant i say you are wrong, if i want to.

You need to take a class in metalurgy, it might do you some good.

Originally posted by dljdad
I really don't care what language a hot rodder replies in....I'm thrilled he or she read and wrote. In my classsroom I hear 3-5 languages a day and am thrilled that America is such a diverse nation just as hot rodding is an extrremely diverse hobby with many ways of doing things. I could care less how you do something. Hell, I may use what you offer if I think it maight work. HMMMMM...maybe something to be learned here...kinda like rat rods... LISTENING to others without predjudice is what makes us great.

The point I was trying to make was that most people on this forum read and speak English.You are reading way to much into this.When in Rome do as the Romans do.If you do speak Portuguese can you please tell me what he said.

Originally posted by dljdad
Geez, ,I am so hesitant to reply to this since what you are so ferverently fighting against is something you've never even tried. I'm pretty sure many babies have been made that way. Why fight and argue? I'm smart enough not to argue against something I've never tried and wise enough to fighy for what I have used with great success. Those who think "might work worth a try," go ahead and write me with how well it worlked. Those who chose to bitch without ever trying it...think scientific method....that's why you flunked science. Hypothosis, experiment with controls, ,and reflection....honest reflection. If you really do try it and find the method lacking, FOR GOD'S SAKE SAY SO!!! If you're speaking from ignorance, keep it to yourself. Proof speaks, opinions are like assholes....everyone has one and many don't work like they should.

Do you think you can articulate yourself with out the foul mouth.If you are a senior person lets act like one because there are a lot of younger people on the forum and they will follow your lead.

Originally posted by erik erikson
The point I was trying to make was that most people on this forum read and speak English.You are reading way to much into this.When in Rome do as the Romans do.If you do speak Portuguese can you please tell me what he said.

dont worry about it erik, you were just asking the guy to taik so everybody would know what he was saying and he should. dljdad, just looking for trouble.

I'm not trying to add fuel to the fire, but I just did a little bit of research and this is what I found.

I took all my information from this page: http://www.mmsonline.com/articles/030107.html I found a few others that were similar, yet far more complex than I cared to investigate or try to comprehend.

Using that formula I used an inch for the length (I don't know how thermal expansion works on a circular object with a circular hole. So, after some discussion with a co-worker we settled on using the diameter of the hole. I also have no idea what the actual diameter is.) and 5.7 for the coefficient and 162 for the temperature (230-68) and I come up with a length change of 0.00092 of an inch.

I would also submit that a balancer has much more mass than a ring gear and it would take much longer for it to cool down. It might work if that is sufficient expansion.

I'm not too sure about my calculations, much less the actual physics of the thermal expansion on a balancer. I draw buildings for a living, and I'm sure no physicist.

I think I'd just use a bigger hammer if it were me.

Just a couple of thoughts on 4 pages of installing a balancer on a SB Chevy.

Literally 100,000s if of balancers have been pounded on with a hammer and block of wood over the years with no ill effects (it was pretty much standard practice before the wide spread use of installers).

As far as "........ Never...NEVER....hammer a cold harmonic balancer onto a crank. The way most of us old timers do it is to place the balancer in a pan of boiling water for 5-10 minutes......."

I have been building engines for 38 years (yes I build my first one at 15), in all that time I have never heated the balancer, seen a balancer heated, or even heard of the technique being used. I'm not saying no one has ever done it, just that it is NOT common practice anywhere I've ever been from the east to west coast. If the techinique was actually all that wide spread you would think it would show up in a lot of vintage shop manuals and old magazine articles.

Personally I prefer to use an installer if possible, and would even go as far as tapping the end of the crank, but I do not have any qualms at all about using a block and hammer.

Well... Who was the one that started this thread? Whoever it was, SEE WHAT YOU DID!!! Haha just messing. Well anyways I read through everything and I agree with both sides in a way since dljdad has a point and then again I disagree with both sides. Erik, you said to act like a senior citizen (sp)? Well I am sorry but all of you guys are acting like little kids. Go back and read EVERYTHING you guys have been arguing about. All over a frigging HB? If you don't believe dljdad is right then either try it out and if you don't want to then who cares and keep doing it your way. No need to complain and BS about it all. Now I am not taking ANY sides here and not stiring up the fire and it's NOTHING against Erik, Mike, or dljdad at all. Normally the young guys like me, Matt, Drg84 are the ones that should be complaining like little punk kids. Haha. And I know I have no reason to just butt my nosy, know very little butt in here but still.... let's kill this thread shall we?

did that add in the cool down time that was involved pelligrini ? i believe common sense would tell you heating a HB in an open pan of boiling water for 5 min and then carry it out to the shop, ant gonna do much for it. and thanks Mike p, that's was what i was trying to say. i don't care if somebody heats their HB to put it on, i just hate it when i let it get to me so bad when, someone tells me im wrong about something that i know is right. i' ve had a couple hundred mechanics working for me over the years and if that was the hot set up somebody would have been doing it. i need to work on the getting up set part.

and FMX untill you have installed a few HB yourself its kinda hard for you to have a opinion about it either way.

Mike P,

I couldn't agree more. I do believe the "Never Never" part is what got me and lt1s10 started in the first place. I personally don't care what method is used, but to come on with such a rash statement that contradicts years of an acccepted practice puts me on the defensive and sends very mixed signals to the young and inexperienced.

Originally posted by NTFDAY
Mike P,

I couldn't agree more. I do believe the "Never Never" part is what got me and lt1s10 started in the first place. I personally don't care what method is used, but to come on with such a rash statement that contradicts years of an acccepted practice puts me on the defensive and sends very mixed signals to the young and inexperienced.

me to NTFDAY, when i read that my heart stopped working for a few sec. and my little brain went dry of blood and then i had to say something, right or wrong. cant help myself. wish i could.

Originally posted by lt1s10
did that add in the cool down time that was involved pelligrini ? i believe common sense would tell you heating a HB in an open pan of boiling water for 5 min and then carry it out to the shop, ant gonna do much for it. and thanks Mike p, that's was what i was trying to say. i don't care if somebody heats their HB to put it on, i just hate it when i let it get to me so bad when, someone tells me im wrong about something that i know is right. i' ve had a couple hundred mechanics working for me over the years and if that was the hot set up somebody would have been doing it. i need to work on the getting up set part.

and FMX untill you have installed a few HB yourself its kinda hard for you to have a opinion about it either way.

Well since I already knew you were going to say that I have something to tell you.... I HAVE installed a few HB's before. Not once, not twice, not three times... Probably 4 or 5. Yeah may not be 100 like some of you guys but I kind of get sick and tired of the old guys telling me I have no say so in nothing because I only done it a few times or they say I haven't done it at all and they don't know squat what I have done. I mean hell, the old guys are like "oh look at that punk he is driving a ricer and should be driving a hot rod" and when we DO drive a hot rod they put us down. I am sorry to say it but that is a bunch of bulls%*t IMO.
I am done, I don't want to argue here at all so I mean call me what you want, say what you think I have or haven't done I don't care.

Oh one more thing to add. Yeah I didn't install a HB without a tool. We had the tool and HB with the bolt to do it. But then again it's not about experience completely...

Originally posted by FMXhellraiser
Oh one more thing to add. Yeah I didn't install a HB without a tool. We had the tool and HB with the bolt to do it. But then again it's not about experience completely...

I think you are missing the point. How something is accomplised is immaterial and open for discussion. I try to keep an open mind and try new suggestions if they seem plausible. I do though, get a little irked at those who try and relate to how things were done "In the good old days" when they were still riding tricycles "In the good old days".

FMX you just proved my point, the man told me i was doing something wrong and it made me mad, you come along and said i shouldn't have gotten mad, so i tell you something you didnt like and gress what. "you got mad". why didnt you follow your own advice. thats the only reason i did that. i didnt like what he said no better than you did what i said. i got mad you got mad, but you want me to close my thread down. you talk to me like im a kid and im suppose to like that to.