Thread: ID these heads? They don't look Vortec! + other questions

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oops - the head # is 462624

Originally Posted by Saxman

oops - the head # is 462624

76 cc combustion chambers.Could be either 1.94 in/1.50 exhaust or the smaller valve version.

Anyone know what hp I can expect from the crate engine?

Thanks for the help so far!!

looks like you have the same block as me, Saxman. It's a good motor. Don't worry. Just rebuild and be happy :P

It's a fun .. "peppy" motor heh. peppy. seriously just stick a cam in it and be happy. Or buy yourself some vortec heads. Either way the block is good..


that being said if you can't return the motor..

Originally Posted by Crowbie

looks like you have the same block as me, Saxman. It's a good motor. Don't worry. Just rebuild and be happy :P

It's a fun .. "peppy" motor heh. peppy. seriously just stick a cam in it and be happy. Or buy yourself some vortec heads. Either way the block is good..

that being said if you can't return the motor..

I can't return the motor since it is in the used car I just bought. The problem is that he told me it was the 330hp crate engine from Summit. That's part of the reason I bought it.

I talked to him again and he said that he is sure it was rated at 330hp. I called Summit today and they don't have a non-Vortec engine rated at 330hp.

So frustrating!

I just found some new numbers toward the front of the block. They are 1MO709 5VP. I think I remember a number similar to this on another thread (I think it ended in 8VP) which denoted a certain crate engine. Google did not show anything on this number. Any ideas?

Saxman: What you are running into is the same thing we've seen for years. Every sbc that was installed in any car was suddenly a "corvette" engine, not a "chevy" engine. You would ask any rodder what was under the hood and it was always "Corvette." Your seller either told you a lie, or believed that it was a 330hp because of what a previous owner told him.

Was he the guy who built this car? If so, he should be able to provide you with an invoice for the Summit engine. Or, at the very least Summit should have some record under his name of selling him the engine. Most companies keep these kinds of sales on record for warranty purposes.

Bottom line, it is pretty obvious you do not have a 330 horse, but a generic Goodwrench base engine. Nothing wrong with that, but if you paid for the 330 and based your purchase on that, then you have something to talk to the seller about. At the very least he was deceptive and at the most, some fraud was involved.

You have to make the decision about how important those extra 80 horses are to you in the overall purchase, and act accordingly.

Don

Originally Posted by Itoldyouso

Saxman: What you are running into is the same thing we've seen for years. Every sbc that was installed in any car was suddenly a "corvette" engine, not a "chevy" engine. You would ask any rodder what was under the hood and it was always "Corvette." Your seller either told you a lie, or believed that it was a 330hp because of what a previous owner told him.

Was he the guy who built this car? If so, he should be able to provide you with an invoice for the Summit engine. Or, at the very least Summit should have some record under his name of selling him the engine. Most companies keep these kinds of sales on record for warranty purposes.

Bottom line, it is pretty obvious you do not have a 330 horse, but a generic Goodwrench base engine. Nothing wrong with that, but if you paid for the 330 and based your purchase on that, then you have something to talk to the seller about. At the very least he was deceptive and at the most, some fraud was involved.

You have to make the decision about how important those extra 80 horses are to you in the overall purchase, and act accordingly.Don

Thank, Itoldyouso,

They guy I bought it from built it and said that his Mother-in-Law (Ann Davis) bought a 330hp GM crate engine from Summit a couple years ago. Summitt can't look it up without a zip code, and since the seller will have nothing to do with me (now that I know the engine is not what he said), I can't even get her zip. Besides, he knows he lied - so my advice to all: do NOT do business with Steve Yanda at Yons Racing in Colliers, WV.

The last guy that did this to me cannot sell his kit cars anymore because I made sure the word got out in the kit-car community. All I want Yons to do is tell me what engine is really in there...

I will be looking for some steel Vortec heads soon to give this "LM1" a little boost.

Thanks again for the advice, everyone!

Originally Posted by Saxman

Thank, Itoldyouso,

They guy I bought it from built it and said that his Mother-in-Law (Ann Davis) bought a 330hp GM crate engine from Summit a couple years ago. Summitt can't look it up without a zip code, and since the seller will have nothing to do with me (now that I know the engine is not what he said), I can't even get her zip. Besides, he knows he lied - so my advice to all: do NOT do business with Steve Yanda at Yons Racing in Colliers, WV.

The last guy that did this to me cannot sell his kit cars anymore because I made sure the word got out in the kit-car community. All I want Yons to do is tell me what engine is really in there...

I will be looking for some steel Vortec heads soon to give this "LM1" a little boost.

Thanks again for the advice, everyone!

It really is "buyer beware".
I would be very careful of what you say about people on the net.
Some people have been sued before for making slanderish re-marks.
What I can't understand is why a legit business owner won't return your calls.
Was this a used engine or an engine he was selling on consignment for someone else?
So if I understand this correctly this was supposedly a 330hp crate engine from Summit and Steve at Yon's racing re-built the engine?
Wow!!!,that is a story.
Did you leave anything out??
Just remember there are two sides or more to every story.

We have a local guy who advertises built bbc engines in the paper all the time. Man I know bought one to put in his TransAm, turned out the engine was put together with all junk, mismatched parts. He ended up suing the guy and did get his money back, but it was a fight.

I am in the marine business, and I see work done by other marinas and mobile techs all the time that borders on fraud. Anyone can get a business license, a listing in the phone book, and a shop. However, only a certain percentage of those are qualified or honest business people. That extends to the car hobby as well.

If you have any documentation of what you were supposed to have in that car, I would consider Small Claims Court. It will only cost you a few bucks and generally the burdon falls on the business to have superior knowledge, and the courts view it that way. If you only have a verbal on the 330 HP thing, you probably are out of luck, but it still may be worth your while to inconvenience the guy for the day he has to go to court, and it may also shake him up enough to make him want to make it right.

JMO,

Don

Originally Posted by erik erikson

It really is "buyer beware".
I would be very careful of what you say about people on the net.
Some people have been sued before for making slanderish re-marks.
What I can't understand is why a legit business owner won't return your calls.
Was this a used engine or an engine he was selling on consignment for someone else?
So if I understand this correctly this was supposedly a 330hp crate engine from Summit and Steve at Yon's racing re-built the engine?
Wow!!!,that is a story.
Did you leave anything out??
Just remember there are two sides or more to every story.

It's not slander if it's the truth and you can prove it.

Originally Posted by Itoldyouso

We have a local guy who advertises built bbc engines in the paper all the time. Man I know bought one to put in his TransAm, turned out the engine was put together with all junk, mismatched parts. He ended up suing the guy and did get his money back, but it was a fight.

I am in the marine business, and I see work done by other marinas and mobile techs all the time that borders on fraud. Anyone can get a business license, a listing in the phone book, and a shop. However, only a certain percentage of those are qualified or honest business people. That extends to the car hobby as well.

If you have any documentation of what you were supposed to have in that car, I would consider Small Claims Court. It will only cost you a few bucks and generally the burdon falls on the business to have superior knowledge, and the courts view it that way. If you only have a verbal on the 330 HP thing, you probably are out of luck, but it still may be worth your while to inconvenience the guy for the day he has to go to court, and it may also shake him up enough to make him want to make it right.

JMO,

Don

And he also might have the option of suing for his "lost time" if he wins.
At $75 an hour plus court cost this might be rather pricey.

Originally Posted by NTFDAY

It's not slander if it's the truth and you can prove it.

Ummm,I just have one question.
What Chevy guy does not know the center bolt pattern on a set of valve covers that would let you know it was a Vortec head??

Originally Posted by erik erikson

Ummm,I just have one question.
What Chevy guy does not know the center bolt pattern on a set of valve covers that would let you know it was a Vortec head??

I was just merely stating that the truth cannot be construed as slander.

Originally Posted by NTFDAY

I was just merely stating that the truth cannot be construed as slander.

Yes,I understand that.
He will have a tough time proving that in court if it was only verbal.
I just have a tough time understanding why a shop would try and pass something off as eaisly known a vortec engine.
Even the Ford and Mopar boy's know what a voetec head looks like.