Thread: chev 302's back from the dead

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Originally Posted by shawnlee28

Just let me say I am ford guy first
Theres nuthin better than a 302 ford ,once you get over 500 hp ,you end up with two 4 cylinder engines.........

This is very true.

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

I'm appalled Erik!!!!!! Do you really think I would try to pull some sort of deceitful action such as that????????

Yes,I do.
First let me say I don't like street racing but of course I have done it.
I built a 355 for a guy about two years ago.
It was maybe 375 hp.
He came to me crying saying he just had his a$$ handed to him by a 1992 Ford Mustang with a 302 in it.
So we find the guy's.
I want to see the engine.
Come to find out it was a 418.
How do I know you ask? well I built the engine for the Ford guy also.
The 418 had 6.20 rods, 205 cc CNC'D AFR heads and a mech. roller cam.
It was about like taking a "knife to a gun-fight".
The Chevy guy his now building a 496.
Yes, he will need to win against the 418 stroker Ford.

Originally Posted by speedy55779

its not just you pat an yes i get a joke but alot have reffured to the boat ancher term

Theres nothing wrong with small cube motors ,if thats your thing ,I have one.
But you are most certainly sacrificing hp ,every time you go smaller in cubic inches ,if you want more power ,it only makes sence to go bigger ,its the most money and part efficient way to acheive hp on a budgett.
You have to want a small cube motor for reason..........its certainly not the best route to power....
They called Clinton slick willy and he was far from sly or slick ,he could not even get away with stuff my 18 year old high school buddies did.

Labels are just labels ,call me what you will and say what you like about my truck build ....its just words.I am confident in who I am and what I stand for ,no matter what others may call or label me.
Just remember some of the greatest men and women in history were ridiculed and run out of town during thier time ,it was only later that thier greatness was recognized.
Believe me I have been called all kinds of stuff over the years it was only that person or persons perspective on the situation ,its a free country ,think how you like ,who am I to say what you should or should not say or think.

The bottom line is it usually has no direct effect on your life what another person says or thinks ,unless they are in charge of you or you are under thier command.....sooooo.........live and let die......we can work it out.......I get byy with a little help from the forum ,..err I mean friends............

Look at my 305 chebby,if I would have put the same money in a big block it would have been alot more powerful than 300 hp {more like 500 hp},but I was not looking for big hp numbers ,if I had been a hp quest ,the 305 would not have been a thought.
Can you build a small cube motor and make big numbers ,sure you can ,is it economically the best route to hp ,absolutly NO.

Originally Posted by erik erikson

The only problem I have is with 11.5 to 1 and a 64 cc head you would have to run the race gas.
My thinking is get the comp. ratio down to 10 to 1 and run "pump-gas" or go all the way to 12.5 or more for a comp. ratio.

Strip only 11.5.1 64cc heads . What heads would you run on that engine .

Originally Posted by tango

Strip only 11.5.1 64cc heads . What heads would you run on that engine .

How many rpm's will the engine turn?

Originally Posted by erik erikson

Yes,I do.
First let me say I don't like street racing but of course I have done it.
I built a 355 for a guy about two years ago.
It was maybe 375 hp.
He came to me crying saying he just had his a$$ handed to him by a 1992 Ford Mustang with a 302 in it.
So we find the guy's.
I want to see the engine.
Come to find out it was a 418.
How do I know you ask? well I built the engine for the Ford guy also.
The 418 had 6.20 rods, 205 cc CNC'D AFR heads and a mech. roller cam.
It was about like taking a "knife to a gun-fight".
The Chevy guy his now building a 496.
Yes, he will need to win against the 418 stroker Ford.

Theres alot of fellas out there like that ,I am one of them.....
I can not wait to get out of rule laiden cali ,so I can install a bbf 460 stroker under the hood of the 86 mustang,with the right air cleaner /carb and intake,you can still close the factory hood
Lets see 598 stroker /1200 cfm domi /roller cam and the biggest high flow ,silent ,muffler I can find..............its just a stock 302 with high miles and worn out muffler ,thats what the slight rumble is ....honestly.....

Originally Posted by tango

Strip only 11.5.1 64cc heads . What heads would you run on that engine .

how much money do you want to spend ? iron or alum .if iron go with a set of pbm iron heads

Originally Posted by erik erikson

How many rpm's will the engine turn?

8000 to 8500 RPM

Originally Posted by tango

8000 to 8500 RPM

If you want a good Iron heads then I would look at the 215cc Dart Iron Eagle Platinum heads.
If you want. alu. then go 210 AFR Eliminators.

Originally Posted by erik erikson

If you want a good Iron heads then I would look at the 215cc Dart Iron Eagle Platinum heads.
If you want. alu. then go 210 AFR Eliminators.

pbm are iron eagles?? look good used a set on a 327 nice short side radius

Originally Posted by pat mccarthy

pbm are iron eagles

I know that and you know that but I doubt the rest of the Club does.

Originally Posted by erik erikson

I know that and you know that but I doubt the rest of the Club does.

sorry i will go to the corner of the room ... now were is my hat

i think you could get away with this , take a 283 have it punched .125 get standard bore 302 12:5-1 pistons use a set of 186,291, 461-461 heads ahve them worked alot of guys will let you make payments, cant do that with aftermarket! 2.02 1.6 valves 64cc chambers have them milled to 62cc deck the block end up with a total of about 12:8-1 13:1 range of compression use a 4 speed and 513's or a auto w/4500 stall and 488:'s unorthadox? hell yes thats what makes it fun! run a solid roller and dont forget to shift at about 7800 !

Originally Posted by gassersrule_196

i think you could get away with this , take a 283 have it punched .125 get standard bore 302 12:5-1 pistons use a set of 186,291, 461-461 heads ahve them worked alot of guys will let you make payments, cant do that with aftermarket! 2.02 1.6 valves 64cc chambers have them milled to 62cc deck the block end up with a total of about 12:8-1 13:1 range of compression use a 4 speed and 513's or a auto w/4500 stall and 488:'s unorthadox? hell yes thats what makes it fun! run a solid roller and dont forget to shift at about 7800 !

the dart iron in the long run may be cheaper and better numbers big roller cam killer valve springs get some alum rod a good oil pan and shift at 8000 or not

if they did it back then, you can do it now with the same parts