Thread: Streetable HP?

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Originally Posted by mopar34

Dave wrote:



Yeah and probably similar to the one I went to, a one room school on a back country road. Not a lot of fancy gadgets, but buckets of common sense.

Ya you do have that Olds .

Financially I am relatively stuck with my SBC 350 but I wonder why I did not take a longer look at the Buick 350 which has the longest stroke of the GM V8 families. I recall a Hot Rod article about "The other 350". With a stroke of greater than 3.84 inches but smaller pistons than the SBC 350 (3.8" diameter) the Buick 350 has more than 300 ft. lb. or torque at low rpm but the stock engine peaks out around 270 HP. This shows the shift of the torque peak to lower rpm values so I wonder why the plentiful Buick 350 did not become more popular. It is almost 100 pounds lighter than the SBC, but maybe 1" wider than the Chevy. The added width might be a problem for some cars but it is not much more than the SBC. I became interested in this mainly because of the lighter weight of about 450 pounds and the longer stroke interested me too. Maybe some of you know whether a 700 R4 trans bolt pattern will be a problelm for a Buick 350? On the other hand the SBC with even a modest cam improvement can easily approach the same torque values so maybe the more plentiful SBC and all the aftermarket parts still make it the engine of choice. Still it looks like the Buick 350 is a great street engine!

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

Originally Posted by mopar34

Dave wrote:



Yeah and probably similar to the one I went to, a one room school on a back country road. Not a lot of fancy gadgets, but buckets of common sense.

Nope, I went to a school the first 6 years that had 4 rooms for grades 1 thru 8.... It closed after my 6th grade year and we had to ride the bus to the "big school" in town!!!! Every class had it's own room, plus the 3rd floor was the high school!!!!! Thought the place was huge!!!!! It was about 1/2 mile from the farm.

Originally Posted by DennyW

Dave, I sure wish you would show some pictures of some of the cool stuff you have laying around ? Since you have so many projects, and parts, maybe you might be interested in selling some of them to help out other members ? If you got something I would want, and wanted to sell, I might be interested as well.

Those big boys don't have to worry about expense to much when updating. That has to be like shopping with a limitless credit card, 0 interest.

Did you miss my answer Denny??? What parts are you looking for?

Originally Posted by DennyW

No I didn't Dave. I just figured I would wait until you dug some out, and mentioned what you had for sale, and then see if I could get it, or if it was something I could use.

Hmmmm... I do have some FE stuff, kind of saving it up, though..... I've got the 460 in the Ranchero, and as soon as our spare engine is done I may be selling a 501 Ford..... I got so dang many small parts, suspension pieces, and stuff like that I wouldn't know where to began listing it all... Most recent addition would be the grey seats out of the 'maro and the steering box and associated parts off the '82.... They're not a real high back bucket, might be good Hot Rod pickup material for someone.... Worst part is on the big stuff is getting it there, freight rates have gotten ridiculous..... Smaller stuff can still go parcel post or UPS fairly reasonable yet.....

Originally Posted by HOSS429

sometimes we settle for what is good enuff .. people ask why i still have ported old iron heads on my 429 when there are many good aftermarket aluminum heads out now .. i just dont think 50 hp is worth 2500 bucks .. but a class racer " pro stock - nascar - etc .. would give that any day for 5 hp ...

HOSS-429 You know The best thing about all them new heads and Crate engines ? We get all the used parts-the guy dont want . Man I have more stuff then I did in the 70s or 80s COOL

the price of heads keep going down .how good are they ? the patriot performance heads for as-cast are 460.a pair .so why would you play with heads that are old casting that could be well used ? i have got in to this before i have a machine shop would be happy to reguide put new seats in .cut out for bigger valves. mill and do a 3 angle valve job on a old worn out set of heads .now the new head s could need a tune in on all the stuff i listed but still your getting a better flowing head .i still think your going to have more in old gm casting then a new set it is a time and money thing. if your time is worth nothing then stones sand paper and other supplys will add up . you still will have to cart them off to the machine shop .when done you have a old out dated heads that could flow not any better then they did stock with a very good valve job i still think this is were alot of power is on how the seat is formed and the valve flows and the short side radius of the port along with the chamber and how it much it shrouds the valve

i have some stuff that i need to sell any one need a short block 454/496or a 350 small block chevy short block????? dave ? anyone

Originally Posted by pat mccarthy

i have some stuff that i need to sell any one need a short block 454/496or a 350 small block chevy short block????? dave ? anyone

Really wish I had enough extra $$$$$ to take you up on that 496 Pat, sure would go nice in the 'maro..... Sorry man, been a tough winter around here on the old bank account.....

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Really wish I had enough extra $$$$$ to take you up on that 496 Pat, sure would go nice in the 'maro..... Sorry man, been a tough winter around here on the old bank account.....

oh well same here

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Really wish I had enough extra $$$$$ to take you up on that 496 Pat, sure would go nice in the 'maro..... Sorry man, been a tough winter around here on the old bank account.....

You could always work harder or save Longer ? RIGHT

Originally Posted by tango

You could always work harder or save Longer ? RIGHT

Yup, and that's exactly what I will have to do to be able to build the car the way I want to.... To me that would be a whole lot better plan then settling for something less then trying to convince myself it was what I wanted......

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Yup, and that's exactly what I will have to do to be able to build the car the way I want to.... To me that would be a whole lot better plan then settling for something less then trying to convince myself it was what I wanted......

Sorry to say I can not do that . Time is passing me by . And if I do not have it now . I will not have it Later . I will build what I can . And run what I Brung !

As for them worn out used heads . I check them first before I spend hours porting them . And yes I have bought good used Dart -World heads . And I do have Friends that run real good times at the track with stock castings heads . One guy that I now has a 1969 Nova Home built 427 BB Chevy with GM iron heads . Every weekend he drives it to the track over 50 miles one way on the high way . Bolts on a pair of slicks runs 10s and he is a points leader . Put the street tires on. And drives it home . 90% of the heads I ported the guides were ok and the seat were not pounded . Even the new heads get the hand Lapping done to the valves before I assemble them . If I had to wait to buy a high cost set of heads they would be a bare set . And I would be the guy to put them together . COOL

yup, that's the way it was.... and you dang well better behave and be quiet when the teacher was instructing the other class in the room!!!!!!!