Bob ; Thank you for your response. Yes I realize what you said as to the 5k and 9k bodies . My wife and I went to the Shades of the Past run in Tennesee earlier this month what a wonderful show , good times and great cars, had 2800 plus there, and two give away cars, both 34's one unfinished and one completed and it was breathtaking. anyway we toured Rat's glass facility Rat the owner was very nice to talk to and his main man Toby was extremely helpful and knowledgeable, a wealth of information, they make a really nice body or should I say Bodies, they make the SpeedStar and now the SpeedStar Vicky , I didn't care for the thin floors but I did like the fact the doors open 90 deg. to the body and the trunk lid opened 90 deg. as well . the finish is very good , the gaps are good as well but the edges of the doors are somewhat inconsistant, but like you said that's the difference and if the bodies were perfect they cost a lot more. I did not mean to mislead you, yes I'm looking at a glass body , to me their so much easier to work with, you can make mistakes and repair them relatively easy. but like most fellas I want the most bang for my buck and deffinately do not want to make a costly mistake. Does the Gibbon body come with as much steel as indicated in their ads. does yours have that much. ? , you said go to the shows and that is great advise, we make quite a few each year and we'll be going to the S.E. Street Rod Nats. in Tamps next month and then in Nov. Daytona hosts the Turkey Rod Run Thanksgiving wekend inside Daytona Speedway, it usually draws 5K plus cars each year and has an unbelieveable swap meet as well, it's an open show so there is a real assortment. Weve seen most of the body mfg's there as there are approx 300 vendors. If anyone out there is looking for a great run to attend and see vendors as well as cars and swapmeet I highly recomend this one.