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09-02-2006 12:21 PM #31
These little debates happen from time to time, and like most things can get sort of out of hand. Opinions are like bellybuttons (ok, we'll use bellybuttons) we all have them and they are all different.
Over the years I have owned some products and cars that other people thought were the worst thing ever made, but I liked them. Even though there have been some negative comments made about StreetBeast bodies, I know a couple of guys who have them and love them. One guy even takes 1st place in most of the shows and cruises I have been to when he is there.
Time for some of the things that were said in this thread to be filed under the "lets agree to disagree" catagory, in my opinion. After all, we are still all friends on this forum, regardless of our opinions.
JMO,
Don
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09-02-2006 05:08 PM #32
I've never seen a New Age product, so I have no puppy in this tussle. However, I have learned that the product descriptions on a site give little more than a hint about the final product. About all they tell you is whether the copywriter's English is up to snuff. Every manufacturer out there puts up justification (or maybe rationalization) of why his body is the best. For example, people USED to believe what Gibbon's site said.
I'm not arguing with you BB, just stating what I learned the hard way. The copy you posted sounds good - but lots of websites sound good. However, it doesn't prove a thing. They could have the best 'glass body on the market, but it takes more than text on their website to prove it.
Please don't take this the wrong way. All I'm saying is that a manufacturer's opinion of himself isn't the most reliable way to determine quality.Jack
Gone to Texas
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09-02-2006 05:21 PM #33
You are indeed correct to say that every manufacturer will give a sales pitch so to speak.
Im speaking based upon a real customers body i have seen in person, and thoroughly looked over myself. They arent lying when they say it is a hand laminated body. The quality is right there.Last edited by BIGBLOCK; 09-02-2006 at 05:24 PM.
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09-02-2006 09:12 PM #34
Do they say what the Temperature Distortion Factor is on their 'glass?Jack
Gone to Texas
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09-02-2006 09:51 PM #35
Originally Posted by rocknrod
I understand that you paid too much for a sub-quality body, and know you take every opportunity to defend your purchase to others - this is typical, "I bought it, so it has to be the best" mentality. Just like a juvenile Ford vs. Chevy debate. People like to press the issue that theirs is the best -because for anything else to be the best, would mean their decision was wrong.
Its funny how those two have told you it was my Daddy's money.....My dad had some free time and decided a ride up there with me - we took a couple days and made a few stops along the way. He passed away last fall and I wish we had done more things like that in the last few years. I
I guess they have to come up with some reason for me returning there product. People who know me on and off this board know the cars I've built, and the things I've done, and maybe a few of them know when I was building '32 chassis' out of a rented 2 car garage in Daytona when I was 19 years old.
At any rate, I can't believe that I have stooped this low to respond this many times to all this crap. You guys have fun building whatever you want.
As for you "Big Blocks Rule", by your own admission, you and yout buddy haven't built or owned a '32 anything, so to say this 'glass car or that 'glass car is better than any other. And for you to even suggest, in any way that they are even close the quality and value of a Brookville, makes you look foolish without anyone even saying a word. Several owners of B-ville cars have posted on this thread, I'm sure it is a laugh.
As for your apology, I am sorry that you are probably going to build a '32 that will not meet your expectations of what you thought that you were going to get, you'll put about 800 miles on it, be sick of it, and dump it on eBay for $22,500, or maybe trade if for a big block '73 Monte Carlo. I will be sorry you didn't end up with a really nice '32 that you can enjoy like so many people do every day.
Your Turn.
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09-02-2006 10:05 PM #36
Originally Posted by BIGBLOCK
And how many '32 Fords have you built? You have no idea what you are even looking for when you "looked over thouroughly".
Ask Henry there, the things you learn, and the things you know to look for after you've built one - or twenty.
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09-02-2006 10:20 PM #37
[QUOTE=SirSpeedy] As for you "Big Blocks Rule", by your own admission, you and yout buddy haven't built or owned a '32 anything, so to say this 'glass car or that 'glass car is better than any other. And for you to even suggest, in any way that they are even close the quality and value of a Brookville, makes you look foolish without anyone even saying a word. Several owners of B-ville cars have posted on this thread, I'm sure it is a laugh. [QUOTE]
How do you know what I have built and what I havent?? You dont which is why you ought to WATCH what you say.
Aside from that, you just sound like a total Fool. Anyone that looks at RocknRod's latest 5 window will have a VERY hard time agreeing with you. The pictures he has posted look of increadible show quality to me. Anyone that can say that car is sub-standard really ought to have their head examined.
EDIT: And just how the hell do you know that my buddies 32 roadster project is going to come out "sub-standard". How can you even say RocknRods car is substandard? Im not here telling you anything you have is sub standard or below par. im not here insulting everything youve built in your life. Why must you do this to me and my buddy? Im not stooping so low as you. Anyone can see. And I have not said this particular glass car is better than "any other". I just said i liked it alot. You really ought to read with some care as you attack me for things i havent even said.Last edited by BIGBLOCK; 09-02-2006 at 10:51 PM.
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09-02-2006 10:37 PM #38
Guys, guys , guys. Isn't it time to call it quits on this back and forth rock tossing? From the posts I have seen both of you make, it is pretty obvious you are both nice guys and would probably enjoy a beer with each other. From watching this thing unfold it has just gotten a little out in left field for no reason.
Why don't you 2 or 3 shake hands via computer and move on to other issues?
JMO,
Don
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09-02-2006 11:12 PM #39
It's late, I am going to a swap meet in the morning. So this is going to be shorter....
Lots of topics to cover here -
You haven't told me anything I've built was substandard. You are right, I don't know what you've built, so no way to really judge that.
You stated in an earlier post that you don't know a lot about the fiberglass industry....I guess I read into that same post that you weren't familar with the '32 bodies...I reviewed that post and you really make no reference to whether you have or have not built an early ford or not...so that is my mistake. So from this point on, I'll assume you've built one. Just for the record, restoring a Camaro (or the like) is not even close to the same thing.
As for your buddies car - I hope it makes a good car - its hard to get them really right...again if he has built one before, my mistake. One thing you learn when you build the second car, and the third, etc, is that cutting corners and taking the easy or perhaps cheaper way out will usually end up coming back to get you....Bob mentioned earlier, "Pay me now, pay me later".
As for RnR, I think his 5w is bitchin', Few people know how much work it takes to make that car look the way it does. Topsterguy built one too. And topster will tell you it took A LOT of work to make that car nice.
If RnR wants to drag in things "he's heard" that couldn't be further from the truth, then it can be game on with him also. I don't go for the cheap shots about things "I heard". I'm going on facts and experience.
Further more, I don't know what your relationship is with those guys - for all I know you may be one of them. I clicked your profile and looked at the posts you've made since you joined, EVERY single one is about that company.
You think I sound like a fool? I am a fool, no doubt. I spend time working on cars in the shop, when I could be working at one of my other business interests that is more lucrative...but hey, the hot rods are fun, and you only get one go around in this life.
Foolish. I'm on here posting, when I could be working on a car out in the shop. But some times you like take a break and see what everyone else is working on. I like to keep track of Don building the $3k T model. That is a neat thread. I posted a pic of a stock model A I bought back in April...trying to the same kind of deal but with a 10k budget. This site actually doesn't get much traffic, so I don't visit as often. I visit Jalopy Journal daily...there are some really talented guys posting over there that have some incredible talent. I hardly post, just read on admire the pics.
Good night. I'll be in late tomorrow night, so you can all gear up for another round in this debate....or maybe debacle?
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09-03-2006 02:44 AM #40
Most people in the world we know, made their own money.
The facts speak for themselves. Poor little rich "boy".
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09-03-2006 05:44 PM #41
Well, that is it then.
I had my first painted an upholstered '32 on the road at 23 - so I'm pretty used to "grey hairs in lawn chairs" crowd figuring it was my dad's car or whatever else....I sold a nice stock '29 pickup todat at the swap....tons of old dudes asking me "where is your dad" - "is this your dad's?", etc, etc.....
The young shall inherit the Earth, you sure can't prevent that my friend.
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09-05-2006 05:28 PM #42
If I was going to build another 32 Roadster ... I would buy a Wescott ... if I could not find another Henry ...
I have looked at them all ... and have owned my Henry roadster for almost 30 years ...
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09-05-2006 05:41 PM #43
Deuce, you should tell the story of your 3W and some pics, just to show folks on this site that aren't familar with your coupe what's still out there today.Your Uncle Bob, Senior Geezer Curmudgeon
It's much easier to promise someone a "free" ride on the wagon than to urge them to pull it.
Luck occurs when preparation and opportunity converge.
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09-05-2006 05:47 PM #44
Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter
OK ... here is a photo of my current project ...
and click here for the story ...
http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/jour...ge=1&reverse=1
NOT trying to Hijack this discussion ... will go back to lurking ...
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09-06-2006 04:54 AM #45
Originally Posted by Deuce
maybe you should check out the NEW bodies being put out by New Age Motorsports! I just got my new 32 5-window in last tuesday and it has fooled everyone! When I mean everyone I mean my friends who are in there 60's and only belive in steel!!! Not real sure whats what with Sir Speedy but it sounds like he didn't get his way somewhere down the line, too bad because he is really missin out on some bitchin bodies!!!! Just to let you know about these new bodies:
STOCK FIREWALL (not stock flat firewall)
Stocked Hinged rear trunk
Stock Drip rails
Stock FLAT Floor (NO TRANS TUNNEL)
To check out this new body please come over to my web site www.projectthx138.com later this week and check out the body! I think you may change your mind!!! Don't get me wrong Westcott makes a GREAT BODY but New Age Motorsports just blew them out of the water!
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