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11-30-2006 07:22 AM #16
Like I said Dave, I know in theory you are absolutely correct, and I have seen all the diagrams showing axle arc, twist, etc. But what I am saying is that hairpins and split bones aren't the doom and gloom engineering everybody makes them out to be. If they were, you wouldn't see them on the market, and being used almost exclusively on the majority of T buckets and similar cars turned out by companies like Total Performance, etc.
Let's face it, NO straight axle setup we use is perfect. It is 100 year old technology, and even though we have made improvements over the years, it will never compare to a properly setup IFS . But, we use them because we do like the looks, so we make them operate as well as possible.
Although I have had a bunch of cars over the years with hairpins and split bones, the one I drove the most was my '27. This was pretty much my daily driver for about 7 years, day in day out. I could run down the interstate at 70 or 80 and it tracked like an arrow, and in the turns it never wandered. So I am not talking from a position of not living behind the wheel for many miles.
I simply want to make the point that not all cars HAVE to scrap these in favor of four bars and still be a very good driving machine.
Don
Here's a very traditional looking coupe with full IFS and IRS....
Yes, but it also has fenders.Last edited by Itoldyouso; 11-30-2006 at 07:26 AM.
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11-30-2006 07:28 AM #17
Don't doubt your instincts. You're asking the question because it hits your eye wrong. Red as a highlight color is fine, but too much in the "wrong" place(s) is no longer a highlight, it's a blight.
I'm with Charlie.................black. Chrome would be fine if you're going "upscale" and have a shiny axle and attached hardware.Your Uncle Bob, Senior Geezer Curmudgeon
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11-30-2006 07:29 AM #18
Well, looks like we're making the same point, Don!!!! Had a few with the hairpins, a few with 4 bars, then the first time I built one with IFS I totally lost interest in the traditional look!!!!
My pride and joy (too bad it was built for someone else) was a full fendered Deuce roadster with IFS and IRS, Ford Windsor (aluminum block and heads)!!!! Handles like a slot car and accelerates like a Pro Stock!!!! Gonna rob the bank one of these days and build me one just like it!!!!!!!!Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, Live for Today!
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11-30-2006 07:32 AM #19
Ok, I'll buy you a beer and well call it a draw.
Don
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11-30-2006 07:32 AM #20
I vote for polished stainless steel or chrome.
KitzJon Kitzmiller, MSME, PhD EE, 32 Ford Hiboy Roadster, Cornhusker frame, Heidts IFS/IRS, 3.50 Posi, Lone Star body, Lone Star/Kitz internal frame, ZZ502/550, TH400
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11-30-2006 07:43 AM #21
Stay with the red. It matches your tennis shoes!
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11-30-2006 07:49 AM #22
Chrome goes well with any dark colour, and with a lot of lighter ones. I would vote for chrome, if expense is not an issue. One thing about Chrome (and this may be sacrilege)---if you put chrome hairpins on and find you really don't like them, it takes about half a day to pop them off and paint the darn things red.Old guy hot rodder
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11-30-2006 08:07 AM #23
Chrome.
Use it as an accent.
It goes well on bones & bars etc.
Except for the $$ bit, it's easy to put too much chrome on a car.
A little bit goes a long way....C9
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11-30-2006 09:23 AM #24
You could always paint the bars ,grill and rims a matching color to the interior.Its gunna take longer than u thought and its gunna cost more too(plan ahead!)
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11-30-2006 10:16 AM #25
Originally Posted by dangeroustoyJack
Gone to Texas
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11-30-2006 12:52 PM #26
Since you have a chrome and red axle either would work, but my vote would be for chrome.
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11-30-2006 08:47 PM #27
.....Faith, paint one of your hair pins w/ spray can chrome paint, don't even take it off of the car. Just mask it off & throw some chome looking paint on it. Leave it like that for a day as you walk around and get the 'feel' for the chrome look. Red one side, chrome 'look' on the other.... Then if you like the look, have them both chromed.... If you don't like the look then paint the one red again..... This is probably the cheapest way to make up your mind if your in doubt.... Your car already looks GREAT, I saw it at the Primer Nationals & I didn't even notice any 'contrast' between the maroon interior & the red wheels, grill, etc {& neither did the judges, BUT it does have a LOT of red on it.... Bill
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11-30-2006 11:01 PM #28
Originally Posted by billlsbirdFAITH
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11-30-2006 11:05 PM #29
Originally Posted by billlsbird
I can do all the changes in photoshop, it is less of a commitment / work. I'll post the altered photos here, later when I have them done.FAITH
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12-01-2006 11:10 AM #30
Chrome on hairpins are the ticket. It makes them stand out, especially on a black or dark car.
As far as the hairpin handling deal, the straight axel is not high tech and neither is a traditional deuce...and that is a good thing. Sprint cars used hairpins for years with cross spring front ends. The four bar is a must for torsion bars but on a beam axel the hairpins are just dandy. If you are using a tube axel then you probably want to update to four bar. I personally enjoy the primitive ride and handling of the traditional deuce roadster as well as some rude exaust noise. Same goes with a Harley, primitive with plenty of "bark" and no rubber mounted motor. I've got a nice riding modern pick up with a/c, stereo and windows for transportation. The hot rod and bike are for fun!
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