Thread: My next move with hiboy's metamorphosis

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Here is a short film that illustrates the point of view of a "traditional hot rodder"

Again, not condescending here, just trying to help explain something that someone else might enjoy. I don't go into threads about people asking a question on their '66 Dart and tell them "muscle cars suck, build a hot rod!"

Some people are into this stuff, so maybe this will help you understand more.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXU3N9wT3u0

Originally Posted by SirSpeedy

Do you really want answers to these?

Yes, Chip's cars have the look he is seeking.

Period correct means having a car that looks like it was built in given time period. A car with late '40's early 50's styling had a certain look. To keep that car period correct, it would need an engine/driveline, steering, brakes that are all era-specific.

A great hot rod needs a theme - bias tires and billet tailights don't mix. Aluminum radiators are for contemporary styled cars, etc.

This isn't about politically correct.

Well said, and I agree 100%.

Here is a short film that illustrates the point of view of a "traditional hot rodder"

Sweet -
Where's the boneyard in the video???

There were a couple shots at the end with rear tires that will definately 'fill the wheel well' as Faith put it.

A great hot rod needs a theme - bias tires and billet tailights don't mix. Aluminum radiators are for contemporary styled cars, etc.

Acrtually, that was my point.

Originally Posted by SirSpeedy

Boy you are a quick trigger dude - this is not what I am saying. Certain cars, trying to achieve a certain look, and a certain application...read - read - read

Well, then you can sit around and look nice and cruise with your bias tires!!! Me, I build all my own cars, and utilitze the best parts either I or the customer can afford. It's not a Hot Rod to me if it won't go fast enough to start your hair on fire and handle like a slot car when you get to the twisties!!!!! Traditional, street rod, hot rod, muscle car, restomod and all the other labels are totally meaningless to me. I build off my own ideas and my own plans. Should the case ever arise that folks feel one of my cars fits one of their "catagories" I could only say that it was done totally by accident. I'll never see what fun it could possibly be to build a catagory specific car and substitute "era correct" for "performance correct". All this emphasis on "traditional rods" is pure bs.... When the cars being copied were built "back in the day" many of these builders used cutting edge technology and there only concern was to find a few more horsepower or a bit better suspension then the next guy... Cars weren't built to fit a catagory then and IMO they shouldn't be now. Everything old is new again....whoopie... I've never built a car to impress anyone else or to meet their standards or criteria unless someone else is paying the bills... If some of the original hot rodders could be reborn today, I doubt seriously they would touch a flathead or a bias tire, they'd be building with those big huge rims, radial tires, blown and injected aluminum engines and they would sit around and chuckle about just how archaic their "traditional rods" were.....

Copying is the most sincere form of flattery, guess I don't take a whole lot of time to flatter anyone. Too busy looking, scheming, and dreaming about what the next great innovation will be, and how I can work it in to my next build... I never have been and never will be accused of building a car that emulates anyone else's. To me the past is history and the future is exciting....

Don't catagorize my cars as anything but "mine"!!!!!

Originally Posted by SirSpeedy

This thread is absolutely hilarious.

I think Faith is sitting back laughing. Lets think this through, she lives in SoCal, runs with the traditional hot rodding people around there - hangs out at Hollywood Hot Rods and has them working on her car....she should know that this is totally the wrong crowd to even pop this question - this is "club street rod".

There are 2 groups fastly separating in this hobby - street rodders who can build a '32 with all new parts out of magazine, and hot rodders who are building cars traditionally using old OEM stuff. I like both. I own both. I've built both - with radials and bias tires.

I sincerely hope we are not all expected to accept your definition of "hot rodder".... John Force calls his funny car a hot rod, Rusty Wallace calls his NASCAR stuff hot rods. I am a hot rodder, have been for better then 40 years now. But that CERTAINLY does not meat that I am going to get stuck in a rut building cars with outdated parts and technology. Your definition severely limits the scope of hot rodding, I'm afraid. Always seems that the people who jump on the band wagon and are totally involved in the latest fad get left behind when the next fad starts. Lots of us just keep on building hot rods that appeal to us, as individuals, and to heck with the catagories, labels, fads, and and avoid any tunnel vision approach to hot rodding like the plague.....

Yup, Denny. That's what I thought Hot Rodding was too... Didn't know it involved a fashion show, too!!!!

PS... This is Webster's definition:

hot rod
2 entries found for hot rod.
To select an entry, click on it.

Main Entry: hot rod
Function: noun
: an automobile rebuilt or modified for high speed and fast acceleration

Guess the dictionary is wrong too????

There are 2 groups fastly separating in this hobby - street rodders who can build a '32 with all new parts out of magazine, and hot rodders who are building cars traditionally using old OEM stuff.

So, there's only two schools - kit cars and salvage build ups? Geez, I see more variations than that every day.

Jack
- There are 10 kinds of people in the world . . . those who understand binary, and those who don't.

So if anyone does anything to their car to make it look better instead of go faster they are going soft? If its not about looks and style too, why use a 75 year old design of body and frame? Why not build truly modern vehicles with far superior chassis, suspension, and drivelines if performance is the only thing that really matters? Why does your signature say you still like yours to look nice and have shiny paint? Does that make it go faster? Just wondering....

Originally Posted by DennyW

Actually, shinny paint does make it go faster. Kinda like the swimmer shaving their legs.

Yes, but it also adds weight. Bottom line is, if you don't like bias ply tires, fine... that's one thing. But to make a statement to imply that the sole purpose of building a hot rod is to go fast and that anyone who does anything to their cars to improve its appearance rather than make it fast or handle better is foolish, well that just seems kinda funny to me. I've spent all winter working on my car and making dozens of improvements to it, NONE of which will make it any faster or handle any better. i got alot of help from the people on this board who have done similar upgrades and improvements, which likely didn't make their cars any faster or handle any better either. I can't speak for any of them, but I sure don't feel like I was wasting my time.

Originally Posted by joeybsyc

So if anyone does anything to their car to make it look better instead of go faster they are going soft? If its not about looks and style too, why use a 75 year old design of body and frame? Why not build truly modern vehicles with far superior chassis, suspension, and drivelines if performance is the only thing that really matters? Why does your signature say you still like yours to look nice and have shiny paint? Does that make it go faster? Just wondering....

Why indeed??? Not all of us are stuck in the rut of thinking a 75 year old body and frame design is the only thing to build..... Last Deuce I built was IFS and IRS hooked to a tube chassis, with an injected Windsor and a 6 speed...Not much left of the 75 year old stuff, body was only 6 weeks old!!!! My point is that a car does not have to be a 75 year old design to be a hot rod,

Btw, looking good is a natural byproduct of going fast.... When you work as hard as I have on building rods for 40 plus years, they just end up looking nice, shiny paint prevents rust... It's called attention to fit, finish, and detail... Although once I did have a sprint car that the entire frame was finished with a purple scotch brite, then two coats of clear over the bare metal, looked great!!! Decided paint was too heavy!!!!

This thread is out of control dudes.

Ya'll are microwaving bull cookies from years back on all kinds of stuff. Faith go buy some tires and see how you like them. You can easily go back and I bet you won't have to delare bankrupcy either.

BTW my fiberglass street rod will kick the crap out of all of you. That's right, I called it a street rod, so there.


Regards, Kitz

Originally Posted by kitz

This thread is out of control dudes.

Ya'll are microwaving bull cookies from years back on all kinds of stuff. Faith go buy some tires and see how you like them. You can easily go back and I bet you won't have to delare bankrupcy either.

BTW my fiberglass street rod will kick the crap out of all of you. That's right, I called it a street rod, so there.


Regards, Kitz

Not out of control, Kitz..... Just some disparity amongst what Hod Rods are!!!!


PS, still saving me a spot down there around Austin someplace??? I AM eventually going to get the heck out of here!!!!!!

Theres actually alot of good info in this thread for those who have never ran or even seen these tires. Like me...but my sherlock holmes powers have deduced that the old tires will not perform like the new tires and new tires do not look like the old tires,you pick which one siuts your own personal flair.
My only concern was mentioned in another post,whats the speed rating on these bad boys?I have seen regular s rated tires on the dyno and its a scary swelling event as the tires grow they deform...not pretty.
I do know one thing about them though is that they are very noisy and easily picked out going down the road from road noise they make and the ones I heard made alot of noise.....not sure how that works out on a roadster ?
From previous posts Faith has made I do not think that street racing and high speed corners happen that much.Spirited driving I think was the reference ,not street racing.
Run em and see how you like them,but just be aware that you have them on there and become aquainted with there handling characteristics.Like Dave said ,find a big parking lot and let the burn out and power slides begin and also check how they handle on hard braking.I would go as far as to do this scenario with the radials and then go get the bias tires and go back to that same parking lot and retest the same day to get your best comparison.............as was stated before they are going to come up short in everything other than looks.
Ask any racer/hotrodder that was around in the 60s and every single one of em will tell ya the same story ,...if we only had tires like this in the 60s we could of cleaned house!!!
Good luck with your purchase and on top of all ,be safe!!!

Denny, I sent you an e mail.