Henry I see that you and many others out there do not like gibbon . I am not going to argue that every one has thier opinions and you can't nock a man for that . I just take offence to this because it's who I work for . It's like you are talking about me dirrectly . When I came to Gibbon it was a mess and there are still some things that need to be worked on and fixxed . We have a complettely naew crew from front to back . These guy's are here for thier love love of cars not money . I personaly took about a $20,000. a year pay cut to come here and work . It helps me stay mellow . I don't have to worry about paperwork ,budgets, expences or kepping 60 men from goofing off all day . I can come in and do what I have loved to do sence I was about 7 . Work on a car , chop a car , andcustom build a car from the ground up . I will not be complettely happy untill I can get something going all on my own with a select few but for know this is what I have to work with . I'm sorry to all the people out there that have been shafted by gibbon in the past . We are trying to get gibbon striaghtened out . Untill then I can only offer my appologies and say I'm sorry.