Thread: 50 fastest musclecars

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as someone else said in this thread, i remember, from having the experience of and with MOST of the rides in contention in this "muscle car" debate. I have owned some of the rarests of the contention, as well as others that may not have been as popular or prolific. Say Ford, Chevy, Mopar, Dodge etc...every1 knows their fav, yr, mke n model...of those, i have owned a number that were, in my view, stock, really competetive in my aim of drag racing. Of those that i moded, they all ran better, but in my early days, they also BROKE more often.
Looking back on what i was able to do, and what i actually saw accomplished, then it seemed faster, quicker than it actually was in retrospect. Whats more astoudning is that there is yet no realy true improvement in what u can do with a new hgh perf car than what u could back then......there have been unbelieveable advances in SAFTY, COMFORT, EFFICIENCY, but of the STOCK offerings in performance out there now...anything u will see in any simblance of a stock or street classification is no more than 4 secs quicker than showroom stock, same as there were the "muscle cars" we all get wound up about here.
Given that wide range of possibilities of experience and memory, ALL the claims we ALL have made here are entirely possible and i'm sure, somewhere, can b backed up but SOME sort of documentation, valid or otherwise, since in THIS debate, "validity" is relative, everything doesn't work for everyone, thus we're never going to agree.
In this modern day motorsport/musclecar scene filled with dedicated, experienced, even educated car crafters and auto enthusiasts, many were not even a consideration at the END of the muscle car craze let alone during it. I had my nose in it before it started. As im sure folk my age at the time believed, the younger of us believe they KNOW better, even of that which happened before they COULD KNOW anything.
The CONFUSION is they, like us, fail to destishish between what we KNOW and what we THINK or BELIEVE..... the honest of us will admit the former is oft as not far diff than the latter 2. U only KNOW what u experience, and even that is subject to interpretation, everything else is what u THINK or BELIEVE. IE: u can learn all the skills, have all the equipment to build an
engine, until u actually build one, u don't KNOW u can,let alone KNOW u did, at best u BELIEVE U CAN. U can't KNOW something happened unless u experienced it, u can only believe or disbelieve what u may hear or read, based on what u THINK.
1st, unless they produce an actual time slip, rather than a published account, accept that ANY MAG, or MANUFACTURER'S et claim is ''adjusted'' '' corrected''. Unless u manually verified a car was stock, it wasn't...however, u must allow in that for the freaks, u know, the ones built on the good days with the good parts that jus blow the rest away w/o mods...they r out there and they always have been. I have one, a stone stock, down to run flat tires 2001 C5 Targa Hatch auto. IT SHOULD NOT B AS QUICK AS IT IS on average, let alone as quick as its been, i bought it new, changed tires, brakes, oil, air filter and odometer reading @ 97k i can clock 13.05 @ 106mph et's, in OD stab and steer, driving the car, i have been as quick as 12.87@111.66mph, lit em up, bounced off the 6k limiter into 2cnd, it hooked. i have also ran a string of mid 12.9's drivin the car, overall, even after 97k i'm still unable to help the car much by drivin it, couple 10ths. to put that in perspected, the avg of my car runs mid to hgh 13's, even with the Z51 perf option package my car has(gives the 350bhp auto base engine 22bhp w/ 3.15 vs 2.78 FD) in the hands of the avg driver. Man: claims low 13's, street claims hgh 12's, mags claim mid 12's, mine is a bonofide freak, it ain't ever ran a mid 12 or even felt like it did, i was shocked at the 12.87, matter of fact i was shocked at the 1st 12 anything..... O yea guys, im NOT JUST a BOP fanatic, or even essentually a car fanatic, im a DRAG RACE fanatic 1st....hell i built and drag race my Bike, ZX11D Kawasaki Ninja, like i say, always had my nose in it....the Vette is my 2cnd, avg 28mpg hyway too!!!!! As for the Buick's, I have seen 2 Stage 2 GS Buick Skylarks run, a 69 Stage 2 400, and a 70 Stage 2 455, both 4gear, both on stock wheels and tires when relatively new. Both were CLAIMING stock, the latter was a certified teched stock at a meet, the 69 was a drive in with an aftermarket bell and ran competition at a grudge match meet, both ran 12.8's in 1972....mention of the aftermarket bell since at the time only SOLID LIFTER stick shift stockers required a safty bell to race stock, and ALL Stage 1 and Stage 2 Buicks were hydraulic lifter..ALL Stage 2 cars CAME with thin wall ''tubular exhaust'' (headers)... 1st i heard of em called HEMI KILLERS.
All this to kinda put a perspective on this topic so that there is room for the perspectives of all.